Catching Up

[Southieinnc]

Not to get into a pissing contest because you apparently like Mac alot.

Discussion:
1. Mac did not take a step forward in year two. I'm talking about him, not his surrounding cast. It's too easy to blame someone else for his inability to take control.
2. His passion doesn't appear to be about the game. It seems he gets passionate when he thinks someone else has failed him. He doesn't have that "Climb on my back" attitude that you see in top of the heap QBs.
3.The reality isn't that he has to carry the team, but he doesn't lead it. It's almost that he 'hopes' that someone else will step up.
4. I have no comment on that.

Burrow and Lawrence both had really tough first years. Both stepped up in their second year. Lawrence made a great comment. "I finally shut out the noise and started concentrating on 'my' game and what 'I' can do. It made all of the difference." Mac hasn't done that. Maybe he will this coming year. Hopefully he'll have people coaching him that can help him make that step forward. Right now, he's in Purgatory after a year in hell.

By all accounts, players on Patriots team consider Mac an excellent leader.
I get it. You don't like Mac, you don't like Belichick. Who do you like? Give me an example of one to hire not consider?

 

[Southieinnc]

Not to get into a pissing contest because you apparently like Mac alot.

Discussion:
1. Mac did not take a step forward in year two. I'm talking about him, not his surrounding cast. It's too easy to blame someone else for his inability to take control.
2. His passion doesn't appear to be about the game. It seems he gets passionate when he thinks someone else has failed him. He doesn't have that "Climb on my back" attitude that you see in top of the heap QBs.
3.The reality isn't that he has to carry the team, but he doesn't lead it. It's almost that he 'hopes' that someone else will step up.
4. I have no comment on that.

Burrow and Lawrence both had really tough first years. Both stepped up in their second year. Lawrence made a great comment. "I finally shut out the noise and started concentrating on 'my' game and what 'I' can do. It made all of the difference." Mac hasn't done that. Maybe he will this coming year. Hopefully he'll have people coaching him that can help him make that step forward. Right now, he's in Purgatory after a year in hell.

Report: Mac Jones 'very' excited about Patriots hiring Bill O'Brien

Patriots quarterback Mac Jones reportedly had an expected reaction to the news that Bill O'Brien will be his offensive coordinator in 2023.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Southieinnc]

Cassel: Why a Bill O'Brien-Mac Jones pairing could work well

Will a third offensive coordinator in three years be detrimental to Mac Jones development? What if it's Bill O'Brien? Matt Cassel shares his informed opinion based on his experiences with a vast number of assistants -- one of which was O'Brien.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[sonnyblack65]

By all accounts, players on Patriots team consider Mac an excellent leader.
I get it. You don't like Mac, you don't like Belichick. Who do you like? Give me an example of one to hire not consider?

Belichick is ok, average and Obrien is same. Mac was good in first year, good last year and same in last game. Why handcuff the kidd

 

[sonnyblack65]

Why did Jones risen in NY, Stafford in Detroit? Because Belichick and his his coaches suck

 

[realityball]

Watched a panel discussion on the NFL Playoffs. It was interesting and thought provoling.

They all agreed that the teams with the best bQBs have historically dominated the playoffs in the Super Bowl Era.

Lenny Dawson and Bart Starr at the very start, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Kelly, Manonica, Montana, Young, Aikman and Marion. Then we move into the modern era and Brady, Manning, Favre, Ryan, McNabb. Then they got to today and Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Murray, Herbert and Hurts.

The point they were making is that every one of the successful teams had a quarterback that wasn't just a great player, they were also great leaders. They brought the whole thing into the now. They all agreed that the exception to the rule was Purdy. He hasn't played long enough to establish his legacy but one guy caused a stoppage and an argument when he said, "If you can't place Purdy in the same grouping as Allen and Hurts then what will you call Purdy if he and the 49ers win the Superbowl?" He really upset the panel when he said, Purdy is already ahead of Josh Allen because he's made it to the NFCCG and Allen has not.

Then they talked about other teams and how they might catch up. When they got to the Patriots the panel was split. They all agreed that Mac Jones was certainly able to play at the same level as the top three in the AFC, but he lacks that "look" or "Takeover attitude". Half of them said that he has a "Too Casual Approach" and he never displays that pitbull ferociousness that other high level QBs seem to exhibit when the game is in their hands. One guy thought he was funny when he said that Mac has that look when the play calls don't make it in time. They all laughed.

Listening to these guys, they felt that the present staff in NE wouldn't make many major changes because BB has never thrown the dice. They also all agreed that BB has to make some huge moves on the OL and upgrade the WRs if he wants to begin thinking about improving the team. One guy made a statement and no one argued. "Blichick is getting older and like most older people, prefers to stay in a comfortable rut. Don't expect him to change."

They predicted that the Jets, especially owner Woody Johnson will make a huge move. They believe Johnson will get Aaron Rogers and his $110M salary and never blink. He made tyhe decision to go get Favre and he's never hesitated to add a name or a star to the team. They all believe that the jets are a QB away from contending and possibly knocking the Bills from their perch.

If BB does make moves to enhance the quality of the OL and does add a #1 WR, I think Mac has the physical tools to take this team to the next step. If Bill does play 'catch up'makes major moves and improvements, can Mac take them to the house?

It’s easy to label a QB ‘great’ once his team wins a SB . With the exception of Dan Marino, how many non-SB QBs can be called great?
Even if Brady’s NE teams had lost the Seattle and Atlanta SBs, with those key interceptions, his legacy would be much different today. And we all know the games coulda easily gone the other way.
Had Mac Jones a bit more Johnny Unitas in him would NE have gone further with such a shitty coaching staff? I don’t think so. Not in his second year.
I’ll give the kid one more year to get any sign of a NFL-field-general in him … then … can him

 

[sonnyblack65]

Why did Jones risen in NY, Stafford in Detroit? Because Belichick and his his coaches suck

@Southieinnc you can laugh all his coaches suck/ You can be a mastermind , but cant manage

 

[YankeeRebel]

@Southieinnc you can laugh all his coaches suck/ You can be a mastermind , but cant manage

LOL.

Maybe they just suck as head coaches, which IMO does not fall on BB that falls on them. If BB is one of the greatest coaches of all time and someone failed to learn from him, or chose to do things their own way how can that be on BB?

 

[sonnyblack65]

Billl a .477 coach and 1-2 or so in playoffs coach I don't buy the hype

 

[YankeeRebel]

Billl a .477 coach and 1-2 or so in playoffs coach I don't buy the hype

I'll take eight superbowl rings six with one team as all the proof I need

 

[sonnyblack65]

I'll take eight superbowl rings six with one team as all the proof I need

Sure 2 with Parcells and 6 with Brady .477 coach with one playoff win in 10 years w/o Brady is good

 

[Southieinnc]

Billl a .477 coach and 1-2 or so in playoffs coach I don't buy the hype

Polish my Lombardi's!

 

[sonnyblack65]

Polish my Lombardi's!

Thank you Tom 8 Lombardis 0 zeros with w/o Parcells or TB

 

[sonnyblack65]

Billl a .477 coach and 1-2 or so in playoffs coach I don't buy the hype

Dopes think BB is a great coach

 

[YankeeRebel]

Sure 2 with Parcells and 6 with Brady .477 coach with one playoff win in 10 years w/o Brady is good

So eight rings is not enough for you? How many straight years did he take the Pats to playoff's? How many years straight did they win the division? You think Brady would have done this if McDaniels were the coach? Or any other coach? You seem to have forgotten about those years where it was the BB defense winning games more than Brady run offense. TB left when he knew he could not survive another rebuild, when the grass was greener, like I said you didn't see TB12 running off to Detroit or Houston he went to a loaded team.

If you honestly feel BB is not one of the greatest coaches in NFL history that is your opinion and you can't argue opinion.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Dopes think BB is a great coach

So the rest of the world is wrong and you are right? How narcissistic of you!!

 

[sonnyblack65]

So eight rings is not enough for you? How many straight years did he take the Pats to playoff's? How many years straight did they win the division? You think Brady would have done this if McDaniels were the coach? Or any other coach? You seem to have forgotten about those years where it was the BB defense winning games more than Brady run offense. TB left when he knew he could not survive another rebuild, when the grass was greener, like I said you didn't see TB12 running off to Detroit or Houston he went to a loaded team.

If you honestly feel BB is not one of the greatest coaches in NFL history that is your opinion and you can't argue opinion.

Dude took over a decent Cleveland team was that was winning the division, took Pats into 5-13 and misses playofff in every season but one aafter spending 175 milliion

 

[sonnyblack65]

So the rest of the world is wrong and you are right? How narcissistic of you!!

are you this stupid?

 

[sonnyblack65]

are you this stupid?

Nobody thinks he is a great coach

 

[YankeeRebel]

Nobody thinks he is a great coach

And we are done. No sense bantering back and forth