Eagles post game 2

[Sharkinva]

For no less than the fifth time - to you directly - I have stated that I dont believe in trading up for a qb.

I am not sure what it is that you dont get.

In any case, the wft should draft a qb early,
AT THEIR DRAFT SLOT (currently number 9).

I dont think the guys in this draft are worth the #9 pick.

We would e taking one of them not because they are worth the pick, but because we are in need of a QB and thus are willing to convince some people that there is a QB worth the pick. Thus I think any QB in the 1st would be a reach.

Take the O-lineman or the LB and dont force the pick. Dont overpay for someone elses brand name retread.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Caliskinsfan]

this team has got to learn how to win.

Terrible Fan experience in the worst stadium.

only winning will make any difference, Danny Boy isn't going anywhere soon apparently

 

[j_y19]

List of Washington Commanders first-round draft picks - Wikipedia

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I dont believe we have been doing that for 20 years. That’s an overstatement.

Allen wasnt a reach. Neither was Payne. Neither was Sweat or Young. That’s the past four years.

Davis doesnt look great, but we’ll see.
Doctson was a reach.

Kerrigan wasnt. Neither was scherff.

They arent QBs. Name one QB we took in the first round in the last 20 years that wasn’t a reach?

 

[j_y19]

For no less than the fifth time - to you directly - I have stated that I dont believe in trading up for a qb.

I am not sure what it is that you dont get.

In any case, the wft should draft a qb early,
AT THEIR DRAFT SLOT (currently number 9).

What we don’t get is your willingness to reach for a QB again. After that strategy has failed every time.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

lol

 

[j_y19]

I dont think the guys in this draft are worth the #9 pick.

We would e taking one of them not because they are worth the pick, but because we are in need of a QB and thus are willing to convince some people that there is a QB worth the pick. Thus I think any QB in the 1st would be a reach.

Take the O-lineman or the LB and dont force the pick. Dont overpay for someone elses brand name retread.

Exactly. Stop forcing it. Build the rest of the team and play with what you got until how have a real chance at a franchise Qb, either through the draft or FA. Make the team attractive to potential FA QBs like Tampa and the rams did. No FA QB worth anything will be coming here with the state of this team.

But what ever you do, stop reaching for a QB in the first round, as there are no QBs in this draft worth a top 10 pick. In fact, this year, I trade back and pick up 2 later first round picks in exchange. Let some other sucker reach. So I should have 2 new young day one starters at positions of weakness going into 2022. That would be a change of strategy, no?

 

[Caliskinsfan]

What we don’t get is your willingness to reach for a QB again. After that strategy has failed every time.

im willing to do a small reach IF the entire squad (gurney, Mayhew, RR and ST) feels like they can develop and grow that guy.

track record for all teams show that most QB picks have some reach in them cuz its the nature of the positions importance.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

In fact, this year, I trade back and pick up 2 later first round picks in exchange. Let some other sucker reach. So I should have 2 new young day one starters at positions of weakness going into 2022. That would be a change of strategy, no?

I like this IF they don't like the QB on the board.

still HAVE to swing for a QB in this draft tho and not a 6th round one to develop.

also, after watching Jamin this year and last years draft class, it is reasonable to question this groups ability to scout the right talent being used in the right way for this team as its currently constructed.

 

[j_y19]

im willing to do a small reach IF the entire squad (gurney, Mayhew, RR and ST) feels like they can develop and grow that guy.

track record for all teams show that most QB picks have some reach in them cuz its the nature of the positions importance.

See, that is the fools gold. Becaus if we take a QB, with a reach, in R1, there will be no development. He will be thrown into the fire as the starter because we have nothing else and we need a fan base. Of course he will fail miserably because he was drafted too early and was not capable of meeting expectations of his draft position. So not only did we lose another QB, but we lost a potential starter and pro bowl caliber player at another position. This is exactly what bad teams do. Not only do they not get their franchise qb, but they don’t solve the other issues because they spend all their resources on the QB position. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[j_y19]

im willing to do a small reach IF the entire squad (gurney, Mayhew, RR and ST) feels like they can develop and grow that guy.

track record for all teams show that most QB picks have some reach in them cuz its the nature of the positions importance.

From everything I have read, the general consensus is that this is a very weak QB draft class and all the candidates have questions. That should be a huge red flag to us. The only thing worse for us that not taking a QB high in the draft, is taking one, again, with our 1st pick and he fails. This has ramifications for years, as we have painfully learned with both RG and DH Most recently.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

See, that is the fools gold. Becaus if we take a QB, with a reach, in R1, there will be no development. He will be thrown into the fire as the starter because we have nothing else and we need a fan base. Of course he will fail miserably because he was drafted too early and was not capable of meeting expectations of his draft position. So not only did we lose another QB, but we lost a potential starter and pro bowl caliber player at another position. This is exactly what bad teams do. Not only do they not get their franchise qb, but they don’t solve the other issues because they spend all their resources on the QB position. Wash, rinse, repeat.

you def have a point.

My caveat is the scouting and coaching staff have to be all in as a coordinated effort to only choose and use this QB in a way that maximize and his strengths and protects him as he grows. perfect ex is Mac Jones.

that said, this team doesn't have BB or McCarthy (is that their OC?) leading the brigade

 

[Caliskinsfan]

From everything I have read, the general consensus is that this is a very weak QB draft class and all the candidates have questions. That should be a huge red flag to us. The only thing worse for us that not taking a QB high in the draft, is taking one, again, with our 1st pick and he fails.

agreed.

but also need to point out how wrong most of the pundits are when it comes to the QBs in drafts.

most important things seems to be...

1) how well their skill sets fit the team they go to and

2) how well that team structures its offense to maximize that QBs skill set.

biggest mistake being trying to fit a square peg in a round hole and being married to a specific scheme

 

[j_y19]

you def have a point.

My caveat is the scouting and coaching staff have to be all in as a coordinated effort to only choose and use this QB in a way that maximize and his strengths and protects him as he grows. perfect ex is Mac Jones.

that said, this team doesn't have BB or McCarthy (is that their OC?) leading the brigade

we are not the Patriots. not only do they have BB, but they haven’t spent decades wasting valuable resources on the QB position. So the rest of their team is solid and in a position to support a rookie QB development, Jones is not asked to win games for NE at this juncture of his career. So he can be developed. That is not the case with our team. Every QB we trot out must be capable of carrying the team Because we are so weak at other positions.
So build the rest of the team using high draft picks not wasted on a QB. Make us capable of supporting a developing QB. Truly rebuild, not just reload. The PAtriots can reload, we must do a true rebuild. Which means we make strategic long term decisions with the realizations that we will suck for a few years

 

[Caliskinsfan]

we are not the Pats agreed.

but full reload I don't agree at all.

what does a QB need at minimum? a decent oline, a serviceable running game, a reliable TE and a top WR

we have all those pieces right now. and coming off injury for next year, more depth there

not saying we are world beaters, just not in total rebuild mode.

what we need is a QB more than anything

 

[j_y19]

we are not the Pats agreed.

but full reload I don't agree at all.

what does a QB need at minimum? a decent oline, a serviceable running game, a reliable TE and a top WR

we have all those pieces right now. and coming off injury for next year, more depth there

not saying we are world beaters, just not in total rebuild mode.

what we need is a QB more than anything

Cali, with all due respect, one of the best friends of a young QB is defense that can stop someone. Want to ruin a young QB? Make him try and put up 30 a game or co e from behind every week.
oh, we do not have a good OL. We have a couple of good players on the OL and non nfl caliber depth after that.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Cali, with all due respect, one of the best friends of a young QB is defense that can stop someone. Want to ruin a young QB? Make him try and put up 30 a game or co e from behind every week.
oh, we do not have a good OL. We have a couple of good players on the OL and non nfl caliber depth after that.

oh, I understand your skepticism and you are right, it may indeed play out exactly that way

But our Oline with injuries has played as well as most teams in the league this year. fact

good and valid points regarding the D.

thats a strange one for sure. if you follow stats only, we are bottom 3 this year, last year top 5. I believe we are neither and that the LBing crew has utterly destroyed us this year. be it from injury, Covid or thinking a rookie Jamin, Bostic, Holcomb and Khalecke were 'good enuff' going into this season is on RR and JDR. usage of Landon and WJIII early this season also inexplicable

 

[j_y19]

oh, I understand your skepticism and you are right, it may indeed play out exactly that way

But our Oline with injuries has played as well as most teams in the league this year. fact

good and valid points regarding the D.

thats a strange one for sure. if you follow stats only, we are bottom 3 this year, last year top 5. I believe we are neither and that the LBing crew has utterly destroyed us this year. be it from injury, Covid or thinking a rookie Jamin, Bostic, Holcomb and Khalecke were 'good enuff' going into this season is on RR and JDR. usage of Landon and WJIII early this season also inexplicable

Cali, every team has injuries. What most other teams have that we don’t is consistent depth with caliber players. Know why? Because we spend an inordinate amount of our resources on retread and draft choice QBs that never pan out. We will do the same this year. Mark my words. We will open 2022 with a Mitch tribinski or a mariotta under center and we will over pay for them, taking resources away from places like OL depth or a true mike LB. and these retreads never pan out and turn out to be no better than what we have. For every Fitzpatrick we sign, that is a potential starting left guard we couldn’t. Does anyone believe that we would have been in any better position with Fitz under center? Sure, we might have one a game or two more, but would not made it into the playoffs and would have had a worse draft position. And for those of you that said Fitz would have completed more deep balls that TH, I concur. But Fitz also would not have made some key plays with his legs that TH did. It would have been a wash, with neither having the capability to carry the team. The QB is not the problem per se, but that the QB has to carry the rest of the team is the real problem. Build the rest of the team and then get your QB.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Build the rest of the team and then get your QB.

I agree with all you said above.

But not with this last statement. With cap issues the KEY is the draft with a rookie QB that hits.

Gotta swing every year at that position, before round 4, probably round 3 ( just can't over reach absurdly) until you hit

NOTHING will change for real, until we get a QB

 

[Caliskinsfan]