Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[fightinfunbags]

Yeah, when @Retroram52 suggested a Simmons for Westbrook deal, my first response was "bad fit". But then I thought about it more and I think it's a better fit than I first thought.

Embiid has a solid outside shot, along with the pick and roll that you mentioned, pick and pop would work and also driving and dishing out for a 3.

Imo, some of Westbrooks struggles, especially early, is that outside of AD, the Lakers don't really have a big that anyone has to worry about from the perimeter. Because of Embiid, that wouldn't be too much of an issue for the Sixers.

To clarify, I was envisioning a mix and match kind of 3 team deal where Harris goes to the Lakers and Simmons goes elsewhere.

 

[The Q]

Acquiring Simmons would be such a Presti move. Simmons needs to be “the guy” in a small market for media. In that situation he has a chance to evolve into the player his ceiling would indicate. Then in the last year of the deal after Simmons has rehabilitated his value, Presti turns the asset again or he builds around his new super star. You’re gonna hate it but it makes some sense if you assess the out of the box thinking Presti employs in assessing risk reward and understanding OKC is generally not a FA destination.

It makes sense to do with Shai

Doing it for him is lateral at best

Take some picks and role players from them and package those picks for your next move.

 

[The Q]

To clarify, I was envisioning a mix and match kind of 3 team deal where Harris goes to the Lakers and Simmons goes elsewhere.

Yes. That makes sense

 

[fightinfunbags]

SGA is a better player, it’s not happening.

But his game is essentially maxed out on a bad team where he gets lots of shots. The Simmons asset has more upside and like it or not your GM is definitely a threat to assess things the way I’m seeing it. Can you build a winner around SGA as your Batman? That’s a big question. The repair of the Simmons asset can result in being a star you can build around or a rehabilitated asset that can be dealt to get that guy.

 

[Shanemansj13]

A lot of people think the Thunder are heavily involved in this, I’m not seeing it.

Yeah that doesn’t make sense

 

[flyerhawk]

Should have said, I see a three team deal where Ben goes one place, Harris to another and Sixers take on Russ and pieces. Again…I’m just pulling a hypothetical from my ass for the 6,427th time.

Those pieces better be pretty damn good.

 

[trojanfan12]

To clarify, I was envisioning a mix and match kind of 3 team deal where Harris goes to the Lakers and Simmons goes elsewhere.

That would work too.

 

[Shanemansj13]

But his game is essentially maxed out on a bad team where he gets lots of shots. The Simmons asset has more upside and like it or not your GM is definitely a threat to assess things the way I’m seeing it. Can you build a winner around SGA as your Batman? That’s a big question. The repair of the Simmons asset can result in being a star you can build around or a rehabilitated asset that can be dealt to get that guy.

That’s why they need to keep tanking to get better players, trading for Simmons helps with the tanking but you also take a step back bc you lose a star player, SGA. You don’t trade your best asset and still a young player, whether you are contending or not, for a worse player that has a weakness and is not a leader

 

[flyerhawk]

It makes sense to do with Shai

Doing it for him is lateral at best

Take some picks and role players from them and package those picks for your next move.

Yeah I would imagine that the better move for the Sixers is to get a bunch of assets that they could offer for someone like Dame.

 

[bksballer89]

But his game is essentially maxed out on a bad team where he gets lots of shots. The Simmons asset has more upside and like it or not your GM is definitely a threat to assess things the way I’m seeing it. Can you build a winner around SGA as your Batman? That’s a big question. The repair of the Simmons asset can result in being a star you can build around or a rehabilitated asset that can be dealt to get that guy.

SGA is better than Ben

 

[fightinfunbags]

Those pieces better be pretty damn good.

Harris Simmons
Coming back
Westbrook and Harrison Barnes

Westbrook Curry Green Barnes Embiid is your starting 5. Bench would be:
Maxey Milton Thybulle Korkmaz Niang and Drummond.

If the Embiid Westbrook pick and roll pairing with Curry Green Barnes shooting around it can be as strong as I think it is, they can compete for best in the East and then who knows

 

[fightinfunbags]

That’s why they need to keep tanking to get better players, trading for Simmons helps with the tanking but you also take a step back bc you lose a star player, SGA. You don’t trade your best asset and still a young player, whether you are contending or not, for a worse player that has a weakness and is not a leader

I admit it’s thin and it’s based on the idea that Simmons presents the higher ceiling. If this is any other GM, I don’t even entertain the hypothetical but watching Presti from afar, he is one of those guys who could assess it in this way. At a minimum I think he sees the value in being a third team conduit where Simmons ends up in his small market. He actually possesses a prime spot wherein if you ever project Simmons reaching his ceiling, the chances are best for that to happen in a city that fits the profile of OKC…small media market where Simmons can be “the guy” and doesn’t have to worry about playoff pressure or winning right away.

 

[fightinfunbags]

SGA is better than Ben

I don’t disagree. How much more unrealized upside do you think SGA has?

 

[The Q]

But his game is essentially maxed out on a bad team where he gets lots of shots. The Simmons asset has more upside and like it or not your GM is definitely a threat to assess things the way I’m seeing it. Can you build a winner around SGA as your Batman? That’s a big question. The repair of the Simmons asset can result in being a star you can build around or a rehabilitated asset that can be dealt to get that guy.

As with any other asset, you don’t make money when you sell, you make it when you buy.

You’d have to trade him for more than sga.

If anything they should be trading sga for more younger guys and picks but years down the line.

Like unprotected firsts when teams starts are mid 30s or contracts expried type stuff.

But they’re so bad they can hang onto sga and still be hopelessly awful

 

[The Q]

Yeah I would imagine that the better move for the Sixers is to get a bunch of assets that they could offer for someone like Dame.

I’ve been saying that since this thread started….

 

[thunderc]

But his game is essentially maxed out on a bad team where he gets lots of shots. The Simmons asset has more upside and like it or not your GM is definitely a threat to assess things the way I’m seeing it. Can you build a winner around SGA as your Batman? That’s a big question. The repair of the Simmons asset can result in being a star you can build around or a rehabilitated asset that can be dealt to get that guy.

Zero question SGA can be built around.

 

[thunderc]

I admit it’s thin and it’s based on the idea that Simmons presents the higher ceiling. If this is any other GM, I don’t even entertain the hypothetical but watching Presti from afar, he is one of those guys who could assess it in this way. At a minimum I think he sees the value in being a third team conduit where Simmons ends up in his small market. He actually possesses a prime spot wherein if you ever project Simmons reaching his ceiling, the chances are best for that to happen in a city that fits the profile of OKC…small media market where Simmons can be “the guy” and doesn’t have to worry about playoff pressure or winning right away.

Simmons has no interest in being the guy, unless it’s the guy at the bank teller line.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Zero question SGA can be built around.

They just need to be patient. Imo SGA is untouchable to OKC.

 

[flyerhawk]

Harris Simmons
Coming back
Westbrook and Harrison Barnes

Westbrook Curry Green Barnes Embiid is your starting 5. Bench would be:
Maxey Milton Thybulle Korkmaz Niang and Drummond.

If the Embiid Westbrook pick and roll pairing with Curry Green Barnes shooting around it can be as strong as I think it is, they can compete for best in the East and then who knows

Making a move for Westbrook is an all in for 2021 year. He is a declining player who hasn't exactly shined in Los Angeles.

 

[flyerhawk]

Zero question SGA can be built around.

The big problem for the Thunder is can they bring in enough talent to keep SGA happy when he hits FA? This is always the problem with Tankapalooza. He isn't going to care that the Thunder have 12 1st round draft picks in 2025.