Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[bksballer89]

I disagree.

There are maybe 6-8 players in the league that can be built around.

I know you love your OKC boys, but SGA is not getting there.

He can be a big part of a contending roster to be sure. But Batman?

No, sorry. There are definitely questions there. In fact, I don’t think he can do it.

Neither can Ben

 

[Shanemansj13]

Neither can Ben

And we already know that without a doubt. Plus Sga could be a leader but Ben will never be a leader

 

[trojanfan12]

Less about numbers and more about his fit. Plus the team defense overall is bad so that also reflects on him. His shot selection at times is what it is…he just isn’t the need we or the FO thought they needed. I said from the start Hield was a guy that fit better even if it was an overall downgrade. Harris is a better fit but unlikely RW gets traded imo, you never know though. Shit happens

Yeah, like I said from the start, this will be Lebrons biggest challenge as far as making an ill fitting piece fit. If he can make it work and AD plays like hes capable of playing, I like the Lakers chances. If he cant, then hopefully they can figure that out by the trade deadline and move him, although I wont be holding my breath on that.

 

[tlance]

Neither can Ben

Unlikely Ben gets there.

More likely Ben gets there than SGA, IMO.

If he ever figures out the mental side and gets his shot right, he still has superstar upside.

 

[tlance]

And we already know that without a doubt. Plus Sga could be a leader but Ben will never be a leader

That is the biggest roadblock with Ben.

Leadership as a culture setter. Not giving you that.

 

[thunderc]

That is the biggest roadblock with Ben.

Leadership as a culture setter. Not giving you that.

A lot of teams would settle for him giving a shit. That’s not happening either.

 

[The Q]

That is the biggest roadblock with Ben.

Leadership as a culture setter. Not giving you that.

A lot of teams would settle for him giving a shit. That’s not happening either.

The latter is a far bigger deal than the former. But that one isn’t impossible once he works his shit out

The first one is not overly important. You don’t have to be the best player to be a leader.

The best player being a leader is a nice to have.

 

[Retroram52]

If the Lakers start winning strings of games and put some distance between them and .500, I doubt seriously the Lakers will move Westbrook unless the deal is just too good to pass-up. But if they are hovering around .500 getting close to the trade deadline or say after the holidays, then the Lakers may get involved in the various trade scenarios involving Ben Simmons.

 

[The Q]

If the Lakers start winning strings of games and put some distance between them and .500, I doubt seriously the Lakers will move Westbrook unless the deal is just too good to pass-up. But if they are hovering around .500 getting close to the trade deadline or say after the holidays, then the Lakers may get involved in the various trade scenarios involving Ben Simmons.

They have nothing to offer

Tht and how many unprotected firsts is where they start. But it won’t be the best offer

 

[tlance]

The latter is a far bigger deal than the former. But that one isn’t impossible once he works his shit out

The first one is not overly important. You don’t have to be the best player to be a leader.

The best player being a leader is a nice to have.

And I don’t think that is the case at all as far as him not caring.

If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t play DPOY level defense. If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t pass up open shots. He would jack whenever.

If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t have been so offended by Philly’s response to his poor play that he is willing to sit an entire season or more.

Ben’s problem, IMO is that he cares way too much. And it makes him weak.

 

[Retroram52]

Not much to offer but when desperation enters the fray, it is amazing what some teams will take to move a player.

 

[The Q]

And I don’t think that is the case at all as far as him not caring.

If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t play DPOY level defense. If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t pass up open shots. He would jack whenever.

If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t have been so offended by Philly’s response to his poor play that he is willing to sit an entire season or more.

Ben’s problem, IMO is that he cares way too much. And it makes him weak.

Yup. He cares way too much about what other people think of him.

Dude just needs to play whatever he thinks his game is, and focus on keeping his Jenner happy lol

 

[thunderc]

And I don’t think that is the case at all as far as him not caring.

If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t play DPOY level defense. If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t pass up open shots. He would jack whenever.

If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t have been so offended by Philly’s response to his poor play that he is willing to sit an entire season or more.

Ben’s problem, IMO is that he cares way too much. And it makes him weak.

You are the only person that has ever said that, and I’m talking every coach he ever had. Sure he cares, about his image, nothing more than that.

 

[tlance]

You are the only person that has ever said that, and I’m talking every coach he ever had. Sure he cares, about his image, nothing more than that.

Yeah, you are just making stuff up now.

His old coaches speak highly of him from everything I have seen.

 

[thunderc]

Yeah, you are just making stuff up now.

His old coaches speak highly of him from everything I have seen.

Yo said he cares too much, but I’m the one making stuff up? Ok lol.

 

[WiggyRuss]

And I don’t think that is the case at all as far as him not caring.

If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t play DPOY level defense. If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t pass up open shots. He would jack whenever.

If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t have been so offended by Philly’s response to his poor play that he is willing to sit an entire season or more.

Ben’s problem, IMO is that he cares way too much. And it makes him weak.

I absolutely do not think he "cares too much". I think he is just weak mentally and cant take criticism. I think he thinks he is this great player who is fine as he is- he hasnt improved his game hardly at all since he has been in- especially his shot.

this would be his 5th year in the league. He isnt a rook. 4 years of experience - you are starting to be in veteran territory.

 

[WiggyRuss]

any Celtics fans out there?

Would Celtics fans entertain a Simmons for Brown deal? Maybe if the Sixers through something else in?

I am curious. Simmons might be an interesting fit with Tatum.

 

[tlance]

Yo said he cares too much, but I’m the one making stuff up? Ok lol.

You said all his old coaches say he doesn’t care about basketball.

That isn’t true.

 

[tlance]

I absolutely do not think he "cares too much". I think he is just weak mentally and cant take criticism. I think he thinks he is this great player who is fine as he is- he hasnt improved his game hardly at all since he has been in- especially his shot.

this would be his 5th year in the league. He isnt a rook. 4 years of experience - you are starting to be in veteran territory.

He definitely can’t take criticism. That is fact.

I think his shooting issues are mental. A combination of being afraid to fail, so he doesn’t even try, and lack of confidence in the game.

But Brett Brown always said his shot looked good in practice. We have all seen clips of him shooting well in pick up games.

His issue is fear of failure on a public stage, IMO. And where his true skill level is we will never know unless he gets over that fear.

 

[trojanfan12]

I absolutely do not think he "cares too much". I think he is just weak mentally and cant take criticism. I think he thinks he is this great player who is fine as he is- he hasnt improved his game hardly at all since he has been in- especially his shot.

this would be his 5th year in the league. He isnt a rook. 4 years of experience - you are starting to be in veteran territory.

Meh, hes definitely mentally weak, but that doesnt mean he doesnt care.

If his failures, particularly his playoff meltdown, are the result of a fear of failure...then caring too much would make sense.

Weve all seen the videos of him hitting 3 after 3 in pickup games and practice...so we know that he can shoot it. But there is some sort of disconnect where he will not shoot them in games.

Its honestly one of the strangest things Ive seen in all of the years Ive been watching sports. Ive seen where guys will be able to do something in practice, but it doesnt translate to the game, Shaqs free throws come to mind. But I cant say that I have seen someone able to do something in practice and wont even try it during a game.