Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[tlance]

Tobias Harris…

You keep doing this.

For years you kept saying that the Warriors had to dump Draymond’s contract.

Now they are back on top with Dray as a catalyst.

Teams who are trying to contend do but get better by dumping good players on bad contracts unless there are major fit/chemistry issues.

The 6ers do not improve by dumping Tobias Harris.

 

[fightinfunbags]

You keep doing this.

For years you kept saying that the Warriors had to dump Draymond’s contract.

Now they are back on top with Dray as a catalyst.

Teams who are trying to contend do but get better by dumping good players on bad contracts unless there are major fit/chemistry issues.

The 6ers do not improve by dumping Tobias Harris.

It depends on what they have coming back. A Harris deal can make sense. I’m seeing that if Tobias is your 2nd offensive option, your team is shy of being a contender. He’s an efficient guy who doesn’t need a lot of shots to get you 16-18. He’s great as a third option in that regard. If the Sixers need to trade him to get a true second scoring option that compliments Embiid I’m on board. Or if he has to go in another complimentary deal because the 2nd option they get is a stretch 4 I’m on board with that as long as they get value back with pieces that fit. I think Niang gives them this flexibility. If need be, he can be a 25-28 minute a night player. They would step back at the position for sure from Harris but they would be getting better or more complete at the 2 or 3 position. The Sixers sorely need a closer. Embiid is inconsistent closing because he still turns the ball over too much when good defensive teams double.

 

[flyerhawk]

It depends on what they have coming back. A Harris deal can make sense. I’m seeing that if Tobias is your 2nd offensive option, your team is shy of being a contender. He’s an efficient guy who doesn’t need a lot of shots to get you 16-18. He’s great as a third option in that regard. If the Sixers need to trade him to get a true second scoring option that compliments Embiid I’m on board. Or if he has to go in another complimentary deal because the 2nd option they get is a stretch 4 I’m on board with that as long as they get value back with pieces that fit. I think Niang gives them this flexibility. If need be, he can be a 25-28 minute a night player. They would step back at the position for sure from Harris but they would be getting better or more complete at the 2 or 3 position. The Sixers sorely need a closer. Embiid is inconsistent closing because he still turns the ball over too much when good defensive teams double.

I think Tlance's point is that you don't trade a guy like Tobias because he's a good player on a bad contract so you aren't going to get anything close to the same value in return.

So while I agree in theory with you that we should be open to trading him if the right opportunity arises, that seems pretty unlikely to happen unless it is a real blockbuster deal and Harris is just a part.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I think Tlance's point is that you don't trade a guy like Tobias because he's a good player on a bad contract so you aren't going to get anything close to the same value in return.

So while I agree in theory with you that we should be open to trading him if the right opportunity arises, that seems pretty unlikely to happen unless it is a real blockbuster deal and Harris is just a part.

The M.O. on Morey is that he is creative and aggressive. So I wouldn’t rule out a deal that would involve Simmons and Harris at 67 million of salary. Morey may be the only guy in the league that would actually trade for Russell Westbrook. I can see a deal where the Lakers would do anything to swap out Russ. Harris to the 4, Brow to the 5 and LeBron running essentially a ball dominant point 3 with shooters playing the 1 and 2 might be the only way the Lakers can get out from under the bad Westbrook decision. Not sure it would be good because Embiid and Brodie seem to hate each other but if they can get on board together, that might be a great pairing of Embiid Russ pick and roll. Man…I just want this shit to be over with. I have serious Ben Simmons deal fatigue. I just want to know who the Sixers will be so they can get started on figuring it out and making it work.

 

[flyerhawk]

I still think it’s McCollum and Portland eats that awful abomination of a Harris contract

The Harris contract is nowhere near as bad as you are making it out to be. He's a positive player getting paid about 10 million a year too much.

 

[flyerhawk]

The M.O. on Morey is that he is creative and aggressive. So I wouldn’t rule out a deal that would involve Simmons and Harris at 67 million of salary. Morey may be the only guy in the league that would actually trade for Russell Westbrook. I can see a deal where the Lakers would do anything to swap out Russ. Harris to the 4, Brow to the 5 and LeBron running essentially a ball dominant point 3 with shooters playing the 1 and 2 might be the only way the Lakers can get out from under the bad Westbrook decision. Not sure it would be good because Embiid and Brodie seem to hate each other but if they can get on board together, that might be a great pairing of Embiid Russ pick and roll. Man…I just want this shit to be over with. I have serious Ben Simmons deal fatigue. I just want to know who the Sixers will be so they can get started on figuring it out and making it work.

I would be absolutely floored if Morey made a move for Westbrook. The Lakers getting rid of Westbrook and getting Harris and Simmons in return, somehow, would make the Lakers vastly better no matter who else was included in the deal outside of Davis and Lebron.

 

[thunderc]

I would be absolutely floored if Morey made a move for Westbrook. The Lakers getting rid of Westbrook and getting Harris and Simmons in return, somehow, would make the Lakers vastly better no matter who else was included in the deal outside of Davis and Lebron.

I am pretty confident Westbrook has been traded for the last time on this contract

 

[Shanemansj13]

LOL

 

[thunderc]

LOL

Give up your best player for a guy that won’t shoot. Yeah ok.

 

[tlance]

I think Tlance's point is that you don't trade a guy like Tobias because he's a good player on a bad contract so you aren't going to get anything close to the same value in return.

So while I agree in theory with you that we should be open to trading him if the right opportunity arises, that seems pretty unlikely to happen unless it is a real blockbuster deal and Harris is just a part.

Exactly.

I am not saying you can’t trade Harris.

I am saying you can’t salary dump him.

Trading him for Russ doesn’t make the 6ers better. It would sure help the Lakers though.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Give up your best player for a guy that won’t shoot. Yeah ok.

It’s going to be funny if the trade deadline passes and Simmons is still a Sixer. At some point you havd settle for less. You aren’t getting a player like SGA for Simmons

 

[flyerhawk]

LOL

Of course the Sixers will say this. The trade market will start to heat up next and Morey is going to keep the message consistent. No team is going to say "Sixers looking to get whatever they can get for Simmons".

Right now it boils down to what teams are ready to take a big swing. Still think the Kings are the best fit.

 

[flyerhawk]

It’s going to be funny if the trade deadline passes and Simmons is still a Sixer. At some point you havd settle for less. You aren’t getting a player like SGA for Simmons

Certainly a possibility. I would say more likely than not he will be traded though.

 

[trojanfan12]

Morey may be the only guy in the league that would actually trade for Russell Westbrook. I can see a deal where the Lakers would do anything to swap out Russ. Harris to the 4, Brow to the 5 and LeBron running essentially a ball dominant point 3 with shooters playing the 1 and 2 might be the only way the Lakers can get out from under the bad Westbrook decision. Not sure it would be good because Embiid and Brodie seem to hate each other but if they can get on board together, that might be a great pairing of Embiid Russ pick and roll.

Yeah, when @Retroram52 suggested a Simmons for Westbrook deal, my first response was "bad fit". But then I thought about it more and I think it's a better fit than I first thought.

Embiid has a solid outside shot, along with the pick and roll that you mentioned, pick and pop would work and also driving and dishing out for a 3.

Imo, some of Westbrooks struggles, especially early, is that outside of AD, the Lakers don't really have a big that anyone has to worry about from the perimeter. Because of Embiid, that wouldn't be too much of an issue for the Sixers.

 

[trojanfan12]

I would be absolutely floored if Morey made a move for Westbrook. The Lakers getting rid of Westbrook and getting Harris and Simmons in return, somehow, would make the Lakers vastly better no matter who else was included in the deal outside of Davis and Lebron.

It would also make the Sixers better and remove the Simmons headache.

I seriously doubt it happens, but it's not nearly as bad as it initially would seem. If it comes to that, it would mean that the Sixers were being lowballed by everyone else.

 

[thunderc]

A lot of people think the Thunder are heavily involved in this, I’m not seeing it.

 

[flyerhawk]

It would also make the Sixers better and remove the Simmons headache.

It doesn't make them title contenders. If the Sixers had to give up Simmons AND Harris then I'm not even sure it makes them better.

I seriously doubt it happens, but it's not nearly as bad as it initially would seem. If it comes to that, it would mean that the Sixers were being lowballed by everyone else.

They will sooner keep Simmons than trade him for spare parts or cooked 33 year old point guards who can't shoot.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I would be absolutely floored if Morey made a move for Westbrook. The Lakers getting rid of Westbrook and getting Harris and Simmons in return, somehow, would make the Lakers vastly better no matter who else was included in the deal outside of Davis and Lebron.

Should have said, I see a three team deal where Ben goes one place, Harris to another and Sixers take on Russ and pieces. Again…I’m just pulling a hypothetical from my ass for the 6,427th time.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Give up your best player for a guy that won’t shoot. Yeah ok.

Acquiring Simmons would be such a Presti move. Simmons needs to be “the guy” in a small market for media. In that situation he has a chance to evolve into the player his ceiling would indicate. Then in the last year of the deal after Simmons has rehabilitated his value, Presti turns the asset again or he builds around his new super star. You’re gonna hate it but it makes some sense if you assess the out of the box thinking Presti employs in assessing risk reward and understanding OKC is generally not a FA destination.

 

[thunderc]

Acquiring Simmons would be such a Presti move. Simmons needs to be “the guy” in a small market for media. In that situation he has a chance to evolve into the player his ceiling would indicate. Then in the last year of the deal after Simmons has rehabilitated his value, Presti turns the asset again or he builds around his new super star. You’re gonna hate it but it makes some sense if you assess the out of the box thinking Presti employs in assessing risk reward and understanding OKC is generally not a FA destination.

SGA is a better player, it’s not happening.