Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[justanidiot]

I dont see the problem, These primadonna players cry for a trade and they get their trade. They say where they want to go and they get sent there.

Is ben Simmons going to be the first one who does not get what he wants?

 

[flyerhawk]

I don't, I see your point. But it seems like Philly was already getting fed up with the lack of improvement throughout his career.

Imo, that play was the final straw on what had steadily become more of an issue each year.

If Ben Simmons shot 60% from the stripe against the Hawks, we wouldn't be here today. Then again, that one play never would have mattered.

 

[trojanfan12]

If Ben Simmons shot 60% from the stripe against the Hawks, we wouldn't be here today. Then again, that one play never would have mattered.

Probably because he wouldn't have passed it because he wouldn't be avoiding the free throw line like it was the gateway to hell.

 

[The Q]

If Ben Simmons shot 60% from the stripe against the Hawks, we wouldn't be here today. Then again, that one play never would have mattered.

Which just means that one play is overrated

 

[trojanfan12]

Which just means that one play is overrated

I disagree, as I posted above, if he's shooting 60% from the free throw line, he likely doesn't make that play.

 

[flyerhawk]

I disagree, as I posted above, if he's shooting 60% from the free throw line, he likely doesn't make that play.

Right. But it was the free throw shooting that was the problem, not the one play. The one play was always symbolic. Ultimately Thybulle made one of the free throws anyway.

If it weren't for his putrid free throw shooting, no one would have even commented on that play.

 

[The Q]

Right. But it was the free throw shooting that was the problem, not the one play. The one play was always symbolic. Ultimately Thybulle made one of the free throws anyway.

If it weren't for his putrid free throw shooting, no one would have even commented on that play.

I mean we are really then talking about one miss ft? Because if he makes that ft…Philly still loses

 

[fightinfunbags]

I mean we are really then talking about one miss ft? Because if he makes that ft…Philly still loses

No. We’re talking about a microcosm of - Ben Simmons is a pussy.

 

[flyerhawk]

I mean we are really then talking about one miss ft? Because if he makes that ft…Philly still loses

The Sixers lost for a few reasons. Ben Simmons was the most glaring but blowing several 20 point leads wasn't just because of Simmons.

 

[Iggloo]

 

[The Q]

The Sixers lost for a few reasons. Ben Simmons was the most glaring but blowing several 20 point leads wasn't just because of Simmons.

Exactly

It’s not the play itself

Even if Simmons does a 360 dunk, you still lose that game

 

[flyerhawk]

Exactly

It’s not the play itself

Even if Simmons does a 360 dunk, you still lose that game

Well I won't necessarily say that. I do think that the play had an impact on the Sixers play of unknowable effect.

The entire arena groaned when that happened. It's possible that if dunks that, the energy of the team would have been different enough to win the game. But it's also possible that it would have had no impact.

 

[shopson67]

On that Simmons play…the die was cast after that. You can be a lot of things as an athlete in the city of Philadelphia. But if you’re a pussy, you’ll never hear the end of it. After that play, we were done with him and he could never play another game in a Sixers uniform. And he confirmed who he is to the fanbase by running like a bitch instead of trying to come back stronger.

If that's what breaks the camel's back, then that camel was running on fumes already.

Simmons has been miscast since day 1. People fell in love with his size and ability to pass and blurred their eyes trying to see Lebron James or Magic Johnson. Trying to pound the square peg into the round hole has destroyed his confidence. Trade him already, let him start fresh and play PF from the block on a team with shooters around him.

 

[flyerhawk]

If that's what breaks the camel's back, then that camel was running on fumes already.

Simmons has been miscast since day 1. People fell in love with his size and ability to pass and blurred their eyes trying to see Lebron James or Magic Johnson. Trying to pound the square peg into the round hole has destroyed his confidence. Trade him already, let him start fresh and play PF from the block on a team with shooters around him.

He's got to want to play that role. He WAS surrounded with shooters on the Sixers. The other 4 starters on the team all were good to great 3 point shooters.

The problem is that Simmons becomes more or less useless once the ball is out of his hands. And when he can't shoot free throws, you can't have him with the ball in his hands.

When Simmons is hitting his free throws he is an All-NBA level player. He was at that level right after the Harden trade talk died down. For the following 2 months, he was shooting FTs at about a 70% clip and was absolutely dominant. Then he got hurt and when he got back his FT% was back to shit and he started playing far more tentatively.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

If that's what breaks the camel's back, then that camel was running on fumes already.

Simmons has been miscast since day 1. People fell in love with his size and ability to pass and blurred their eyes trying to see Lebron James or Magic Johnson. Trying to pound the square peg into the round hole has destroyed his confidence. Trade him already, let him start fresh and play PF from the block on a team with shooters around him.

This.

Said this before but the team is built incorrectly for Simmons.. two other best players are also paint oriented players. It makes no sense with a guy like Simmons.

 

[fightinfunbags]

If that's what breaks the camel's back, then that camel was running on fumes already.

Simmons has been miscast since day 1. People fell in love with his size and ability to pass and blurred their eyes trying to see Lebron James or Magic Johnson. Trying to pound the square peg into the round hole has destroyed his confidence. Trade him already, let him start fresh and play PF from the block on a team with shooters around him.

Prior to this summer, I was looking for something beneficial for all parties. But looking at what he’s done since then, I’m president of the Fuck Ben Simmons club and now I don’t care what happens to him and the time table doesn’t matter to me. Morey has to get the most he can out of that asset and if that means Simmons rots on the sidelines waiting for that to happen I don’t really care. Dude has practiced scorched earth on my favorite team so he can go fist himself.

 

[fightinfunbags]

This.

Said this before but the team is built incorrectly for Simmons.. two other best players are also paint oriented players. It makes no sense with a guy like Simmons.

Agree with that. Simmons needs to be paired with a stretch 5 who doesn’t clog the lane like Giannis has with Lopez. In fairness to the Sixers though, I don’t think they could have imagined in 2016 that they would be adding a player that refused to add to his game or a basketball player who…wait for it…has an aversion to shooting. That’s like a soccer player who doesn’t want to kick a ball, a hockey player who doesn’t want to skate, a baseball player that doesn’t want to wear a glove, and a football player who doesn’t want to tackle.

 

[fightinfunbags]

He's got to want to play that role. He WAS surrounded with shooters on the Sixers. The other 4 starters on the team all were good to great 3 point shooters.

The problem is that Simmons becomes more or less useless once the ball is out of his hands. And when he can't shoot free throws, you can't have him with the ball in his hands.

When Simmons is hitting his free throws he is an All-NBA level player. He was at that level right after the Harden trade talk died down. For the following 2 months, he was shooting FTs at about a 70% clip and was absolutely dominant. Then he got hurt and when he got back his FT% was back to shit and he started playing far more tentatively.

More correctly, at the end of his two month run he turns in every season, he received confirmation that he made another All Star team and yet again his game predictably took its yearly step back after that.

 

[flyerhawk]

This.

Said this before but the team is built incorrectly for Simmons.. two other best players are also paint oriented players. It makes no sense with a guy like Simmons.

A stretch 5 isn't going to make Simmons more effective in the half-court.

The Sixers starting 5 had the highest net rating of any 5 man group in the NBA last year with significant minutes. And that has been the case for the past 2 or 3 years. There is a reason why they were the 1 seed.

When Ben Simmons is hitting his FTs, he drives to the hoop are far more aggressive and effective. When he's not, he's doing everything he can to avoid contact. Like taking hook shots from 6 feet away.

 

[fightinfunbags]

A stretch 5 isn't going to make Simmons more effective in the half-court.

The Sixers starting 5 had the highest net rating of any 5 man group in the NBA last year with significant minutes. And that has been the case for the past 2 or 3 years. There is a reason why they were the 1 seed.

When Ben Simmons is hitting his FTs, he drives to the hoop are far more aggressive and effective. When he's not, he's doing everything he can to avoid contact. Like taking hook shots from 6 feet away.

I disagree. Embiid (a dominant 5 most effective on the block and the elbow) is the worst possible pairing with Ben Simmons. His drive and finish game or drive and kick to a shooter is the strength of his offensive game. The Sixers also fooled around a little bit with him posting at the foul line and being a passer or driver from that spot. That becomes difficult to even explore with Embiid on the floor. I felt like of all the nonsense Simmons has been spewing recently that the only one that made sense is that Simmons/Embiid is a bad fit for Simmons's game.