Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[The Q]

None of this is the Sixers' fault. Ben Simmons is a pussy.

Simmons gave them plenty of time to avoid this situation

 

[flyerhawk]

No, they're at fault here as well. They oversold Simmons value and asked for ridiculous trades to teams during Draft Week instead of going for the reasonable route. Now there's no one willing to pick him up when this should've been done ages ago.

I think the Sixers did make some mistakes. Specifically I think that Doc screwed up.

But I wouldn't put too much weight into those alleged trade demands. That was propaganda. Morey is a big game hunter and wants Beal or Lillard. If some other team and offered a potential super star, Morey would have listened.

Morey wants Simmons to get on the court to rehabilitate his image. Simmons doesn't care about that. So this is likely going to get a little ugly and won't get resolved until December.

 

[flyerhawk]

Simmons gave them plenty of time to avoid this situation

Not if the market wasn't there. Taking 30 cents on the dollar because Simmons wants to leave is a pretty bad idea.

 

[fightinfunbags]

No, they're at fault here as well. They oversold Simmons value and asked for ridiculous trades to teams during Draft Week instead of going for the reasonable route. Now there's no one willing to pick him up when this should've been done ages ago.

They can’t trade that asset for pennies on the dollar. They made a wise move.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Simmons gave them plenty of time to avoid this situation

Oh you mean through his agent he vocalized that he was a bitter bitch and wanted out because he was criticized for coming up small in the playoffs again? The Sixers don’t owe Simmons shit.

 

[trojanfan12]

None of this is the Sixers' fault. Ben Simmons is a pussy.

This is on both. What percentage of the responsibility each carries is debatable...but both are responsible for this and neither side looks particularly good at this point.

The Sixers are responsible because Embiid essentially put the blame for the loss solely on Simmons. Obviously, what Simmons did was pretty egregious...but it's not like they were down 1 with 5 seconds left and he passed on that dunk. They had time to forget about that play and win the game. They didn't. Simmons play may have "changed the game" as Embiid said, but that's only because the coaches and players allowed it to.

Doc said what he said...that, like when your wife asks you if these jeans make her ass look too big, was a "must lie situation". I get that it was a tough loss and everyone was emotional. But Doc has been in the league as a player or coach for what? 40 years? He knows this.

They probably could have still salvaged the situation...but no one in the organization came to his defense. I don't remember a single teammate, assistant coach or front office person saying anything to defend him.

For Bens' part...he bitched out on the play, he bitched out by not owning how bad that play was, he's had years to work on his game and hasn't and he's bitched out by ghosting the Sixers when he should be working with them to get himself to the best situation possible.

Personally, I put it 60% on Ben 40% on the Sixers.

 

[trojanfan12]

Not if the market wasn't there. Taking 30 cents on the dollar because Simmons wants to leave is a pretty bad idea.

Imo, going into the season with Ben sitting out is a worse idea.

 

[thunderc]

This is on both. What percentage of the responsibility each carries is debatable...but both are responsible for this and neither side looks particularly good at this point.

The Sixers are responsible because Embiid essentially put the blame for the loss solely on Simmons. Obviously, what Simmons did was pretty egregious...but it's not like they were down 1 with 5 seconds left and he passed on that dunk. They had time to forget about that play and win the game. They didn't. Simmons play may have "changed the game" as Embiid said, but that's only because the coaches and players allowed it to.

Doc said what he said...that, like when your wife asks you if these jeans make her ass look too big, was a "must lie situation". I get that it was a tough loss and everyone was emotional. But Doc has been in the league as a player or coach for what? 40 years? He knows this.

They probably could have still salvaged the situation...but no one in the organization came to his defense. I don't remember a single teammate, assistant coach or front office person saying anything to defend him.

For Bens' part...he bitched out on the play, he bitched out by not owning how bad that play was, he's had years to work on his game and hasn't and he's bitched out by ghosting the Sixers when he should be working with them to get himself to the best situation possible.

Personally, I put it 60% on Ben 40% on the Sixers.

One thing for certain, there is plenty of blame to go around

 

[flyerhawk]

Imo, going into the season with Ben sitting out is a worse idea.

Why? Because D'Angelo Russell would make the team so much better?

If the Sixers go start off with a winning record in the first ten games, they are just going to wait until December. Other teams will eventually realize that they can't low ball Morey and then something will happen.

 

[fightinfunbags]

This is on both. What percentage of the responsibility each carries is debatable...but both are responsible for this and neither side looks particularly good at this point.

The Sixers are responsible because Embiid essentially put the blame for the loss solely on Simmons. Obviously, what Simmons did was pretty egregious...but it's not like they were down 1 with 5 seconds left and he passed on that dunk. They had time to forget about that play and win the game. They didn't. Simmons play may have "changed the game" as Embiid said, but that's only because the coaches and players allowed it to.

Doc said what he said...that, like when your wife asks you if these jeans make her ass look too big, was a "must lie situation". I get that it was a tough loss and everyone was emotional. But Doc has been in the league as a player or coach for what? 40 years? He knows this.

They probably could have still salvaged the situation...but no one in the organization came to his defense. I don't remember a single teammate, assistant coach or front office person saying anything to defend him.

For Bens' part...he bitched out on the play, he bitched out by not owning how bad that play was, he's had years to work on his game and hasn't and he's bitched out by ghosting the Sixers when he should be working with them to get himself to the best situation possible.

Personally, I put it 60% on Ben 40% on the Sixers.

Replay your argument in your head. Some guys said some things in the heat of the moment after a disappointing loss. His “get me out of town” response is the stuff of an epic vagina. A player paid $147 million shouldn’t need to be told that you should add to your game, that you should work towards your potential. That’s the shit that becomes evident to most around 3rd or 4th grade. To me, this is like after a person with serious mental health issues decides to take their life loved ones will replay interactions in their head convincing themselves that if they didn’t say that or they didn’t do that, their loved one would still be alive. But when you actually get out of the emotional attachment and look at things rationally, that person took their life because they were unstable and there isn’t anything anyone else could have done to prevent that horrible outcome. It’s just part and parcel with someone having debilitated mental health. Ben Simmons is a princess who has had smoke blown up his ass his whole life. He sulked because Jimmy Butler was given ball handling duties in the playoffs during the Kawhi Toronto year and the Sixers stupidly chose Simmons and Brett Brown over Butler. Enough is enough. Someone else can coddle this bitch. Is this the Sixers fault? Yes it is. But not for the reasons you cite. It’s because they allowed this kid to become a monster without addressing it. And that predates Doc and Morey.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Imo, going into the season with Ben sitting out is a worse idea.

I disagree for many reasons.
1. Simmons has no leverage and as each day passes he loses more support in the media. You have guys like Shaq and Barkley tooling on him nearly every day.
2. This is the key asset they need to turn into a piece to actually compete for a championship
3. Sixers with Ben on the floor/ with Ben not showing up/ trading Ben for peanuts are still in the same situation…not good enough.
4. Simmons plan is to stay away. That makes it much easier for pros to circle the wagons and block out the distraction. You already heard it at media day yesterday. A lot of “we want to focus on who is here” kind of talk.
5. You can use the lost minutes to evaluate pieces that you already have to help assess what you need. Maxey, Milton (he’s almost out of chances), Thybulle, and Springer (kid from Tennessee they drafted) can only be assessed with minutes to find out what they have. This could be a blessing in disguise. I personally think Maxey has the stuff to be a legit player in the league. I’m excited that minutes have opened up for him. And if he’s not that guy…well, that can’t be assessed with him only playing 7-8 minutes a night.
6. The object they covet is Dame or Beal. They need to make this move with that move in mind. They need to stock pile assets for when those guys finally come to their senses and want out.

 

[Gman]

If the Sixers go start off with a winning record in the first ten games, they are just going to wait until December. Other teams will eventually realize that they can't low ball Morey and then something will happen.

You can't low ball Morey, or meet him in the middle, or give him just a "good" deal...

He's only gonna accept top dollar for the malcontent who can't shoot and is currently nowhere to be found...

 

[Iggloo]

 

[flyerhawk]

You can't low ball Morey, or meet him in the middle, or give him just a "good" deal...

He's only gonna accept top dollar for the malcontent who can't shoot and is currently nowhere to be found...

Simmons has 4 years left on his deal. He wants to give that up then good for him.

Regardless of how we got here the Sixers have no choice but to play hard ball.

 

[Gman]

Simmons has 4 years left on his deal. He wants to give that up then good for him.

Regardless of how we got here the Sixers have no choice but to play hard ball.

I don't disagree with you on ^this^ point.

 

[tlance]

Simmons has 4 years left on his deal. He wants to give that up then good for him.

Regardless of how we got here the Sixers have no choice but to play hard ball.

Maybe.

But only because they botched everything about this situation since their playoff exit last season.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Maybe.

But only because they botched everything about this situation since their playoff exit last season.

The real “botching” emanates from years ago when they didn’t hold him accountable for his inability to add to his game. He’s never been pushed or challenged. He’s never had his minutes threatened. They fueled the creation of a princess and it’s hurtled headlong out of their control. It’s pointless because it is what it is, but I come back to the off season after the Toronto exit. You get a nice haul of picks and role players for Ben Simmons. You resign Butler and Tobias Harris. Butler essentially becomes your do-everything combo guard playing off of Embiid and Harris is your 3rd scoring option. That’s the moment where the Sixers could have changed this trajectory. Now we’re seeing the aftermath of that mistake play out.

 

[fightinfunbags]

We are getting a different reason every day for why Simmons wants out of Philly. To be honest, this one makes sense. I’ve said here before that a dominant 5 is likely the worst pairing for Ben Simmons game. But isn’t it clear this dude is crazy? We’re up to like the 5th or 6th “reason” this dude wants out.

 

[thunderc]

We are getting a different reason every day for why Simmons wants out of Philly. To be honest, this one makes sense. I’ve said here before that a dominant 5 is likely the worst pairing for Ben Simmons game. But isn’t it clear this dude is crazy? We’re up to like the 5th or 6th “reason” this dude wants out.

Well then you shouldn’t have signed a contract dumbass

 

[flyerhawk]

Maybe.

But only because they botched everything about this situation since their playoff exit last season.

Other than Doc not saying something stupid, I'm not sure what else the organization could have done to improve this.

Honestly, if I were a GM of another team, Simmons' behavior since that game would be a huge warning sign. Rather than take any ownership of his actions, he chose to be offended and demand others be reprimanded for saying mean things.