Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[trojanfan12]

Disagree. He’s a 15 minute a game guy now at $30 million.

And you'd get more 3's out of him in one game than you've gotten from Simmons in his entire career.

Also, I'm not convinced that he's completely washed. He hasn't played as much over the past couple of seasons because the Cavs have been tanking and Love might have helped them win 2 or 3 extra games.

Don't get me wrong, he's not giving you 35-40 minutes a game anymore...but I'd bet he could give you 20-25 most nights...30 in an emergency.

He's not going to be worth $30 million, but neither is Simmons.

Seems like we've seen a few guys over the past 2-3 seasons or so that we all thought were washed, go to playoff caliber teams and suddenly remember how to play again.

 

[Shanemansj13]

That might only be true because not sure there have been any other players like Simmons.

That Lebron fellow was pretty good. so was Love when acquired.

The point he is making is bigtime FA’s dont come to CLE. They drafted Lebron #1 overall, the only reason they got Love is bc of another #1 pick. Only way to compete is to draft well and make good moves. Once they have a contending team that’s when they can attract players to build around those core players.

 

[The Q]

The point he is making is bigtime FA’s dont come to CLE. They drafted Lebron #1 overall, the only reason they got Love is bc of another #1 pick. Only way to compete is to draft well and make good moves. Once they have a contending team that’s when they can attract players to build around those core players.

Lebron also doesn’t sign there if he’s not from cle

 

[Shanemansj13]

Disagree. He’s a 15 minute a game guy now at $30 million.

I think you are looking at that the wrong way though, he is simply to match salaries. He won’t be the centerpiece of the trade. Sexton, another player, Love and picks. Not a bad shoe-in imo. There are teams that can offer better packages but it’s just a question of will they.

 

[tlance]

And you'd get more 3's out of him in one game than you've gotten from Simmons in his entire career.

Also, I'm not convinced that he's completely washed. He hasn't played as much over the past couple of seasons because the Cavs have been tanking and Love might have helped them win 2 or 3 extra games.

Don't get me wrong, he's not giving you 35-40 minutes a game anymore...but I'd bet he could give you 20-25 most nights...30 in an emergency.

He's not going to be worth $30 million, but neither is Simmons.

Seems like we've seen a few guys over the past 2-3 seasons or so that we all thought were washed, go to playoff caliber teams and suddenly remember how to play again.

I mean, he can still be a good offensive player. Can he play a small role and contribute?

Probably. In the right situation.

But, the last time he played more than 60 games was 2016. He has played less than 100 games over the past 3 years combined AND as @fightinfunbags pointed out, he is an awful fit with Tobias Harris.

Could be potentially steal a few minutes at 5? I suppose in theory, but then what are you doing with Drummond? And Love at 5 alongside Harris at 4 gives you 0 rim protection.

The 6ers should want no part of Kevin Love. There are teams where it makes more sense, like maybe a Utah or a Portland, but the list is pretty short.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I'm not sure why we are worried how Dre fits when he cost nothing. Embiid will miss his usual 20 plus games so that's plenty of time to get your money from Dre.

 

[tlance]

I'm not sure why we are worried how Dre fits when he cost nothing. Embiid will miss his usual 20 plus games so that's plenty of time to get your money from Dre.

It isn’t about fit as much as it is that I don’t think Kevin Love is a better 5 than Drummond.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Not necessarily.

Depends what you get back.

Plus you have Maxey, thybull and some first round picks

It’s trending that way so I hope you’re right but I don’t think that will be the case. I guess we’ll see.

 

[fightinfunbags]

And you'd get more 3's out of him in one game than you've gotten from Simmons in his entire career.

Also, I'm not convinced that he's completely washed. He hasn't played as much over the past couple of seasons because the Cavs have been tanking and Love might have helped them win 2 or 3 extra games.

Don't get me wrong, he's not giving you 35-40 minutes a game anymore...but I'd bet he could give you 20-25 most nights...30 in an emergency.

He's not going to be worth $30 million, but neither is Simmons.

Seems like we've seen a few guys over the past 2-3 seasons or so that we all thought were washed, go to playoff caliber teams and suddenly remember how to play again.

Whether he can be the player you describe is definitely a worthy debate. But when we project him to the Sixers roster it’s a net negative based on what the Sixers already have. On a team with Embiid he’s a stretch 4. Drummond is the guy who plays 5 when Embiid sits. So where does that leave Tobias Harris? He can’t cover 3s. Neither can Love. So a team that is already giving up defense in Simmons now gives up defense at the 1. The Harris to Love swap at the 4 is a loss of defense as well. And the swap from Green to Harris at the 3 is a loss of defense. And oh yeah…Seth Curry starts and he is a liability on defense. If anything this is a pathway to getting Embiid defensive player of the year votes because he’s surrounded by subpar pieces. I don’t want anything to do with Kevin Love on the Sixers roster.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I think you are looking at that the wrong way though, he is simply to match salaries. He won’t be the centerpiece of the trade. Sexton, another player, Love and picks. Not a bad shoe-in imo. There are teams that can offer better packages but it’s just a question of will they.

If it’s Cleveland, I want to wait until mid October and Markk can be included to get that salary match. If you could turn the Love asset into more pieces that would be a different story but if that was a possibility I think the Cavs would have done that already.

 

[Iggloo]

Why are we talking about Love? He is about a half a season away from retiring from basketball at this point. He has zero trade value.

 

[The Q]

Why are we talking about Love? He is about a half a season away from retiring from basketball at this point. He has zero trade value.

He is just salary fill because the salary cap, exists

 

[fightinfunbags]

He is just salary fill because the salary cap, exists

I get that. But when the player being traded is a 30 million dollar player and the salary filler is a 30 million dollar player that doesn’t leave much room for the real take back. Love as salary filler is a big time detriment. I hate this move so much, I assess it to be better for the Sixers to hold on to Simmons salary for 4 years with him never reporting and let him walk at the end for cap relief than to take Kevin Love now. Because in that 4 years things can change and another more worthy trade could emerge in that 4 years time. That’s insane rationale but it really speaks to how awful Love to the Sixers would be.

 

[BigKen]

Think Philly would be interested in a deal for Marcus Smart and Robert Williams? Rumors up here in NE are that the C's think Simmons and his defense is the final piece of a playoff run puzzle.

 

[The Q]

I get that. But when the player being traded is a 30 million dollar player and the salary filler is a 30 million dollar player that doesn’t leave much room for the real take back. Love as salary filler is a big time detriment. I hate this move so much, I assess it to be better for the Sixers to hold on to Simmons salary for 4 years with him never reporting and let him walk at the end for cap relief than to take Kevin Love now. Because in that 4 years things can change and another more worthy trade could emerge in that 4 years time. That’s insane rationale but it really speaks to how awful Love to the Sixers would be.

You need filler because sexton and okoro still make jack squat.

And draft picks have zero salary.

The minny package is hindered by not being able to move Vanderbilt.

But McDaniel, balmero, Beasley, still doesn’t get you there. Maybe you take prince since he’s a fit to play behind green and Harris. Plus a few first rounders.

That would leave yoh those guys, plus maxey, thybulle and all the picks, plus Philly picks, to make their own move for a star.

I’d try to hang onto McDaniel though.

 

[Wamu]

Lebron also doesn’t sign there if he’s not from cle

Well he's not from Cleveland. It's odd how many people still think because he played for the Cavs that somehow means he grew up in Cleveland.

 

[The Q]

Well he's not from Cleveland. It's odd how many people still think because he played for the Cavs that somehow means he grew up in Cleveland.

So he’s not a local boy?

 

[trojanfan12]

Well he's not from Cleveland. It's odd how many people still think because he played for the Cavs that somehow means he grew up in Cleveland.

I think that most folks know he's from Akron, it's just easier to say he's from Cleveland. Similar to someone saying they're from LA, when they're really from one of the smaller cities near LA. Keeps folks from having to answer the Where's that?" question.

 

[Iggloo]

He is just salary fill because the salary cap, exists

OK I see that, he is a contract to attach to an offer with draft picks, but let's not act like he has any trade value.

 

[Iggloo]

Think Philly would be interested in a deal for Marcus Smart and Robert Williams? Rumors up here in NE are that the C's think Simmons and his defense is the final piece of a playoff run puzzle.

I can't imagine a deal like that having any value for Philly unless there were a lot of Celtics draft choices involved.