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[TREFF]

well, projecting rest of season can be tricky, but that 1500+ would have made him the 5th overall player for all purpose yards in 2020.

My guesses...

Gurley to Chargers
A nice piece for them with really nothing behind a small-like-Gaskin, Ekeler. No pressure and a contender.
...or Falcons is already a back room hand shake kind of waiting in the wings.

Bell to Ravens
They locked up Gus, so now they’re free to take a look. They like three-headed monsters. Just to stick it to Pittsburgh he accepts. Tough knowing your #3, but I see no bites elsewhere.
...or Chiefs, just because why not.

AP to Jets
I assume the only chance for AP is a team that get hits by injury, but of all the non-Falcons teams, I see no landing spots for him. So I’ll go with the Jets who have little field experience in their RB film room.
...or Falcons for reasons above.

I say pedestrian, as in, that's less the 100 all purpose yards per game..in an offense that can't depend on anything close to 4500+, 30+ and less than 10-15ints from its QB. That'd be great for a RB on a team led by a Rodgers, or a Brady, a Mahommes and maybe ten other QB's..they don't need much more than what they create. For a team with slightly mediocre QB play, a strong running game, not an adequate, or average running game, just seems like a no brainer. I just dont get it.

Gurley (or either of the 3) to LAC would be great, excellent compliment to Ekeler, wouldn't surprise me a bit for that to happen.

Ravens do seem like they might be a spot, unfortunately. Would definitely fall under the "makes little to no difference" category.


And Da gawd damn Jets..I dunno, what they had pre-draft was definitely lacking. If Michael Carter is what I think he is, than Coleman, Persons and TyJ would likely be enough to compliment him.
I do think it'd be a stretch for AP himself though. Dude wants a ring doesn't he?? Certainly isn't getting one in Newark.

 

[TREFF]

Sorry..I get off on the tangents about what I feel is just the insane absurdity about the way some organizations treat the RB position, and I can tend to rant when it just seems ridiculous. A special few coaches and their systems can turn Gramma-ma into a 1200+ yard back..yes, but for the rest of the league, there is a difference between a truly good back, and everyone else.

Anyways..

For me..what I'd LIKE to see..

AP in KC- Dude says he wants a ring, the Chiefs need a guy they can turn and hand the ball 3 times to with a one score lead and finish games, and a guy who can punch in those 1st and goals after Kelce gets mugged for a PI in the end zone at least once a game. Would also LOVE to finally see him in a Cowboys uni, but, the cap space ain't there, and the need ain't there, don't see it ever happening

L. Bell in MIA- do I expect him to beat out Gaskins? No, but it wouldn't be impossible. Regardless, a dependable pro, could really help Tua settle in, and Gaskins could only benefit, long term, by having someone to watch and learn from, let alone compete against, push him to be better.

Gurley- I honestly have no opinion, and all real signs point towards the Motor city. But I love TKO's thoughts of LAC, any if these RB's land there and they could be week to week studs in best ball leagues. 3-6 carries for 25 yards and 2 short vulture scores could happen rather frequently.

Alshon Jeffrey- think he'd be a great fit in NE. Regardless of wether its Cam or Mac. Great pro, knows how to get open, could really be a QB's best friend..if he can play more than a handful of games.

What I think will happen--

Gurley to Detriot
Jeffrey to NE

AP to BALT- if he can't get on with KC..next team with any real need for his skillset that also has a realistic shot at a SB, is the Ravens

L.Bell- will end up signing with whatever team loses there starter to preseason injury. My opinion is Bell still wants that one more payday, not necessarily a ring, and waiting for that situation is the only way he'll have the leverage to get any type of real money in a deal.

 

[Bandit]

Monkey threw his name in the mix... at age 26, I still think Gurley can have the most bench value of the names you threw out there.
Gurley's knee issue is arthritis, it is not an injury. He played/started 15 games last year and had over 200 touches.

After Todd, I think AP, Bell and Jeffrey are done.
I'm sure one or all 3 will have a freakishly surprising 25-point fantasy week which will make them a hot waiver pickup. But that's it.

He did have over 200 touches, but 174 of those were in the first 9 games and he only had 46 the rest of the season while getting beat out by Ito Smith (61 touches) and Brian Hill (53 touches) both of whom the Falcons thought so highly of that they aren't on their team anymore. I don't know how anybody at this point can think those knees have anything left in them. I mean he only averaged 3.5 yards per carry for the season and the only reason he had any value early was all the touchdowns inside the 5 he was getting (all 9 touchdowns were also in the first 9 games).

 

[wilwhite]

Adams was 4th in targets and yards last year, so yes, the 18 TDs vaulted him above the rest, and was crazy efficient (scored a TD on 15.7% of his catches last year, or 1 TD for every 6.4rec.... ) but he was still a top tier WR with the TDs stripped out last year and his catch rate wasn't obscenely higher than recent seasons either.

I think the WR1 finish was driven more by volume (28% target share) and the value of the targets Adams received (28 red zone targets converted into 14 TDs!)
- Nearing a 30% target share on GB's passes was just filthy last year, and a direct result of the chemistry he's built with Rodgers. Diggs and Hopkins were pretty much at an identical target share for their teams, all the other alpha WR1's were in the low 20% range.
- Almost 1/5 of Adams' targets last year were RZ targets....that's pretty damn wild. Diggs had 16 RZ targets and 5 TDs, Hopkins had 13 RZ targets and 2 TDs

and thank you for the discussion topic/research, nice to dig into something, even if it isn't useful. My money says that no matter who the GB QB is, someone will draft Adams within the top 5 WRs to come off the board when it's draft time.

An imperfectly comparable situation is Hilton in 2016 and 2018 (with Luck) vs 2017 and 2019 (with Brissett). Indy had 100 fewer attempts in the non-Luck years. Hilton’s targets per game went from 9.7 and 8.6 with Luck to 6.8 both seasons with Brissett, which I attribute to play calling. Hilton’s yards per target went from 9.6 and 10.3 with Luck to 8.9 and 7.4 with Brissett, which I attribute to the ability of the QB.

For me the question would be how the Rodgers/Love gap compares to the Luck/Brissett gap (which was huge). Jordan Love is an unknown but Rodgers is very, very good.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

An imperfectly comparable situation is Hilton in 2016 and 2018 (with Luck) vs 2017 and 2019 (with Brissett). Indy had 100 fewer attempts in the non-Luck years. Hilton’s targets per game went from 9.7 and 8.6 with Luck to 6.8 both seasons with Brissett, which I attribute to play calling. Hilton’s yards per target went from 9.6 and 10.3 with Luck to 8.9 and 7.4 with Brissett, which I attribute to the ability of the QB.

For me the question would be how the Rodgers/Love gap compares to the Luck/Brissett gap (which was huge). Jordan Love is an unknown but Rodgers is very, very good.

I think we all agree, GB and Rodgers need to stick it out one more season

 

[Yellow Fuzzies]

I think we all agree, GB and Rodgers need to stick it out one more season

All except the Bronco fan

 

[TREFF]

I'm kinda hoping for a Carson Palmer/Bengals/Raiders type outcome between A A Ron, the Pack, and Denver..and that it equates to a wasted season for all 3

 

[wilwhite]

I'm kinda hoping for a Carson Palmer/Bengals/Raiders type outcome between A A Ron, the Pack, and Denver..and that it equates to a wasted season for all 3

Pretty sure Rodgers in Denver would be a very good couple of seasons. But it’s getting late fast. Rodgers missing this time in Green Bay may be no big deal, but it’s useful for a new team.

 

[averagejoe]

All except the Bronco fan

And the Bears fan.

 

[averagejoe]

He did have over 200 touches, but 174 of those were in the first 9 games and he only had 46 the rest of the season while getting beat out by Ito Smith (61 touches) and Brian Hill (53 touches) both of whom the Falcons thought so highly of that they aren't on their team anymore. I don't know how anybody at this point can think those knees have anything left in them. I mean he only averaged 3.5 yards per carry for the season and the only reason he had any value early was all the touchdowns inside the 5 he was getting (all 9 touchdowns were also in the first 9 games).

You may be right.
But another sceanrio may be that since the Falcons were only 3-12 and weren't going anywhere, perhaps they wanted to see what else they had on their bench for the future? In those first 9 games, Gurley did have an 80-yard game vs Chicago and 121-yard game vs Carolina. His numbers were not all that terrible even if his ypc started to decline.
Maybe I'm looking at him with a glass-half-full?

 

[TREFF]

Pretty sure Rodgers in Denver would be a very good couple of seasons. But it’s getting late fast. Rodgers missing this time in Green Bay may be no big deal, but it’s useful for a new team.

Oh I'd hate hate hate hate it in '22-say '25 or so..but obviously Rodgers is eventually gonna force his way out, Gruden isn't going to step up and get him...Denver obviously is willing to go get him...so drama that might rip apart both franchises and leave Rodgers image tarnished, is the best I can hope for...I'm rooting for the chaos theory here

 

[TREFF]

And just as if on cue..Gurley visits the Ravens...focker

 

[Trudem]

I bet the offensive philosophy doesn't drastically change at all, just some of the target share gets distributed a bit more fairly vs so heavily tilted to Adams.

I agree with Treff, with Rodgers gone and LaFleur more in control of things on offense, I expect that to drop Adams value and increase Jones

Pump the breaks sir. Rodgers isnt gone just yet.

 

[TREFF]

Pump the breaks sir. Rodgers isnt gone just yet.

But he will be at some point in the next 18 months..best embrace the Love

 

[Trudem]

But he will be at some point in the next 18 months..best embrace the Love

Love was great yesterday. Ive always said the out was after the '21 season. If I get one more year and then a haul for a disgruntled Rodgers im happy.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Love was great yesterday. Ive always said the out was after the '21 season. If I get one more year and then a haul for a disgruntled Rodgers im happy.

at this point i am still giving it a 70/30 that he will return with the packers.. He still SHOULD be back...

 

[Bandit]

Love was great yesterday. Ive always said the out was after the '21 season. If I get one more year and then a haul for a disgruntled Rodgers im happy.

So obviously since there is a very good chance that the Packers can make it and win the Super Bowl with Rodgers as their quarterback, of course you want him to play, but just out of curiosity, if you knew beforehand that the Packers weren't going to win the Super Bowl this year no matter who the quarterback was (I'm not saying they can't, but for this, just humor me) would you rather have one more year with Rodgers or go ahead and see what you have in Jordan Love. Really what I'm saying is, Super Bowl or not, would you rather get to enjoy watching one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time one more season or start developing what you hope is the quarterback of the future? I think one of the biggest problems everybody had with the Love pick was that if they were committed to Rodgers for the next two years, then that only gives them one year to evaluate Love to make the decision on his fifth year option, which they would have to do before his 4th season. At least if he was the quarterback this year you would get two years to evaluate him before having to make that decision.

 

[Trudem]

So obviously since there is a very good chance that the Packers can make it and win the Super Bowl with Rodgers as their quarterback, of course you want him to play, but just out of curiosity, if you knew beforehand that the Packers weren't going to win the Super Bowl this year no matter who the quarterback was (I'm not saying they can't, but for this, just humor me) would you rather have one more year with Rodgers or go ahead and see what you have in Jordan Love. Really what I'm saying is, Super Bowl or not, would you rather get to enjoy watching one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time one more season or start developing what you hope is the quarterback of the future? I think one of the biggest problems everybody had with the Love pick was that if they were committed to Rodgers for the next two years, then that only gives them one year to evaluate Love to make the decision on his fifth year option, which they would have to do before his 4th season. At least if he was the quarterback this year you would get two years to evaluate him before having to make that decision.

I get what you were saying. I didnt like the Love pick at the time. Ive been seeing more and more they traded up for a WR and Minny then took for Jefferson, who they were targeting. Same thing for Aiyuk. I think they kinda got caught up in the moment and went with a raw talented QB that needed time to develop, which they thought they had.

To answer you question, you suck btw because this is a tough one, I think I would ride out one more year with Rodgers. I went this way for multiple reasons:

1. another year of Rodgers is obvious
2. trade value post draft is way crappier
3. I need one more year to stick it to the asshole fans openly mocking the Packers because of the Rodgers situation. - hey I am allowed to be petty sometimes.

I think both sides have fault in the situation. Packers rely on Rodgers and his brilliance too much and take it for granted while ignoring the WR position. Rodgers enjoys being paid alot of money so he cant really hold it against the team. He deserves every peny dont get me wrong but if you want to continue to talk about things you have to put your money where your mouth is IMO.

Ive been at 75% Rodgers plays in GB this year all along. The comments from James Jones recently reinforced my feelings on that.

 

[averagejoe]

Pump the breaks sir. Rodgers isnt gone just yet.

I applaud you, sir.
You are one of my favorite Packers fans.

Side point...
As an old person, I was having a conversation with a 20-something regarding things he could not fathom. Like:
Taking Coke bottles back to the store for 15 cents.
Not having to dial your area code when making a local call.
Packaging that wasn't tamper-proof (aka Tylenol).

I'm sure there are a vast majority of fans who do not remember the Packers without a HOF QB (before 1992).
Life after Bart Starr (and prior to Favre) was anything but stable.
In 21 seasons (1971-1991), the Packers had 18 different starting QB who collectively went 126-180-8.

As a fantasy enthusiast, I respect Aaron Rodgers. He is a game-changer. If the knock is that he would like to have more offensive talent on the team, one could argue that Rodgers alone is already elevating the offensive talent in GB. Anyone on the field with Rodgers is already better.
As a casual NFL fan, I feel this situation is just another thing that is wrong with absurd salaries. Forfeiting large chunks of money to make a point. Expecting others to cave in to your demands.
As a Bears fan, I hope Rodgers sticks it to the Packers and they spend another 21 years looking for a starting QB. The icing on the cake would be that Rodgers wins a Super Bowl on his next team too.

 

[Trudem]

I applaud you, sir.
You are one of my favorite Packers fans.

Side point...
As an old person, I was having a conversation with a 20-something regarding things he could not fathom. Like:
Taking Coke bottles back to the store for 15 cents.
Not having to dial your area code when making a local call.
Packaging that wasn't tamper-proof (aka Tylenol).

I'm sure there are a vast majority of fans who do not remember the Packers without a HOF QB (before 1992).
Life after Bart Starr (and prior to Favre) was anything but stable.
In 21 seasons (1971-1991), the Packers had 18 different starting QB who collectively went 126-180-8.

As a fantasy enthusiast, I respect Aaron Rodgers. He is a game-changer. If the knock is that he would like to have more offensive talent on the team, one could argue that Rodgers alone is already elevating the offensive talent in GB. Anyone on the field with Rodgers is already better.
As a casual NFL fan, I feel this situation is just another thing that is wrong with absurd salaries. Forfeiting large chunks of money to make a point. Expecting others to cave in to your demands.
As a Bears fan, I hope Rodgers sticks it to the Packers and they spend another 21 years looking for a starting QB. The icing on the cake would be that Rodgers wins a Super Bowl on his next team too.

I read something yeterday that talked about the Rodgers situation. It said he isnt really upset about the players coming it but moreso the players that were let go ala Nelson, Cobb and MFing Touchdown Jesus(Kumerow for those playing at home). The last one I just cant fathom but whatever.

I am all for Rodgers having input he should. He has carried that team several times on his own or near to it. However a player should not have final sy. I think there is a happy middle ground and I believe they will find it.

Side note: This is helping the Packers next year cap situation little by little lol. Its moot if Rodgers isnt on the team though.

Alos thanks Joe, you are one of my favorite Bear fans too.