Series Thread: 1st Round: 1) Sixers vs 8) Wizards

[Iggloo]

I don't think Brown is a bad coach, but he was the coach who was there for the whole Process and I think he kind of lost the locker room over time because things got too complacent. I would not be surprised if he got a job elsewhere and did OK.

Rivers is obviously much more experienced. I also think people discount the personnel changes made by Morey after he came in and how much they improved the team. It's not the same cast as last year.

 

[flyerhawk]

I don't think Brown is a bad coach, but he was the coach who was there for the whole Process and I think he kind of lost the locker room over time because things got too complacent. I would not be surprised if he got a job elsewhere and did OK.

Rivers is obviously much more experienced. I also think people discount the personnel changes made by Morey after he came in and how much they improved the team. It's not the same cast as last year.

I like Brett Brown. But he seemed way too stuck in his ways for a coach that never won anything. His entire offensive philosophy was DHOs and post-ups to Joel.

I'm sure this Sixers team would have done well with Brett as the coach. But I think last night's game would have been where the team may have struggled because they would have been listless, especially after they started the game 1-10 from the arc.

 

[Sparhawk]

I don't think Brown is a bad coach, but he was the coach who was there for the whole Process and I think he kind of lost the locker room over time because things got too complacent. I would not be surprised if he got a job elsewhere and did OK.

Rivers is obviously much more experienced. I also think people discount the personnel changes made by Morey after he came in and how much they improved the team. It's not the same cast as last year.

I have no doubt that Brett Brown was the right guy at the time the Process started.
They were at their best when they had JJ, but Embiid and Simmons were still developing/maturing.
Not sure how much influence BB had in acquiring Horford/Richardson, but no coach was going to win with that.

BB deserves a lot of credit.
Morey is the real star here.
And any decent coach should be able to win this group, but I give Doc a ton of credit for leaning on Maxey instead of Milton last night.
Not sure BB does that.
Not sure any coach does that.

 

[Iggloo]

It's become crystal clear that Maxey is way better than Milton. Milton made the choice easy also because he has completely disappeared over the past month. He may not even be on the team next season at the rate he's going.

 

[trojanfan12]

I have no doubt that Brett Brown was the right guy at the time the Process started.
They were at their best when they had JJ, but Embiid and Simmons were still developing/maturing.
Not sure how much influence BB had in acquiring Horford/Richardson, but no coach was going to win with that.

BB deserves a lot of credit.
Morey is the real star here.
And any decent coach should be able to win this group, but I give Doc a ton of credit for leaning on Maxey instead of Milton last night.
Not sure BB does that.
Not sure any coach does that.

Brown may be a Del Harris type of coach. A good coach who can develop and teach young talent, but can't quite get them to the finish line. So, you bring him in to develop your players, then move on from him when he's taken them as far as he can.

Doc isn't really what I'd call a great coach, but he's shown that if a team has contending talent and can stay healthy, he can win a title.

 

[Iggloo]

Brown may be a Del Harris type of coach. A good coach who can develop and teach young talent, but can't quite get them to the finish line. So, you bring him in to develop your players, then move on from him when he's taken them as far as he can.

Doc isn't really what I'd call a great coach, but he's shown that if a team has contending talent and can stay healthy, he can win a title.

That's pretty accurate IMO. I lived in LA for some of the Del Harris tenure.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I like Brett Brown. But he seemed way too stuck in his ways for a coach that never won anything. His entire offensive philosophy was DHOs and post-ups to Joel.

I'm sure this Sixers team would have done well with Brett as the coach. But I think last night's game would have been where the team may have struggled because they would have been listless, especially after they started the game 1-10 from the arc.

Brett got exposed in the playoffs every season. Guy isn’t built for making adjustments. If a team was able to take away Plan A the Sixers were fucked. Also his work in the bubble was putrid thinking he could just hand Shake the keys and they would be fine. Having Simmons play off the ball, etc... Brett is great for establishing a culture but the next person in will have to finish the job. He seems like a good man. I don’t like being critical of the guy but it is what it is.

 

[dtgold88]

I always love when people act like fans of teams not in the playoffs can't talk shit

Right? I mean, sure, I wish my team was one of the contenders and I was cheering for that but this is the next best thing.

 

[shopson67]

It's become crystal clear that Maxey is way better than Milton. Milton made the choice easy also because he has completely disappeared over the past month. He may not even be on the team next season at the rate he's going.

I hadn't seen much of Maxey before these last few games; he has looked great.

 

[shopson67]

Brown may be a Del Harris type of coach. A good coach who can develop and teach young talent, but can't quite get them to the finish line. So, you bring him in to develop your players, then move on from him when he's taken them as far as he can.

Doc isn't really what I'd call a great coach, but he's shown that if a team has contending talent and can stay healthy, he can win a title.

There aren't many coaches in the league (if any) that can win without contending talent. 2-3 superstars are a must, and the coaching effect is more about getting the other players to play within their roles (and defend).

 

[fightinfunbags]

There aren't many coaches in the league (if any) that can win without contending talent. 2-3 superstars are a must, and the coaching effect is more about getting the other players to play within their roles (and defend).

Brown had Embiid, Simmons, Butler and Harris and couldn’t make it out of the 2nd round.

 

[tlance]

It’s nice to have a real NBA coach. Doc had a day, made adjustments and circled the wagons despite devastating Embiid news. If Brett Brown is still here, the Sixers may have been the first NBA team to blow a 3-0 lead in a series.

True.

Except they would have been the 4 seed and wouldn’t have been up 3-0

 

[tlance]

Brown may be a Del Harris type of coach. A good coach who can develop and teach young talent, but can't quite get them to the finish line. So, you bring him in to develop your players, then move on from him when he's taken them as far as he can.

Doc isn't really what I'd call a great coach, but he's shown that if a team has contending talent and can stay healthy, he can win a title.

Did he do that though?

People are always commenting on here about how Simmons hasn’t gotten any better and Brown blatantly misused him.

Embiid played like and MVP in his first season without Brown.

He was blessed with 2 superstar talents and achieved exactly nothing except ruining the 6ers window to add a 3rd star.

I think Brett Brown would be a solid coach at lower levels, but he is terribly overmatched in the NBA.

Really bad coach, IMO.

 

[tlance]

There aren't many coaches in the league (if any) that can win without contending talent. 2-3 superstars are a must, and the coaching effect is more about getting the other players to play within their roles (and defend).

You are right.

But the 6ers had contending talent.

Had Doc been there the last 4 years they would have been legit contenders the whole time.

 

[fightinfunbags]

True.

Except they would have been the 4 seed and wouldn’t have been up 3-0

Ha! Great point.

 

[trojanfan12]

Did he do that though?

People are always commenting on here about how Simmons hasn’t gotten any better and Brown blatantly misused him.

Embiid played like and MVP in his first season without Brown.

He was blessed with 2 superstar talents and achieved exactly nothing except ruining the 6ers window to add a 3rd star.

I think Brett Brown would be a solid coach at lower levels, but he is terribly overmatched in the NBA.

Really bad coach, IMO.

Maybe. I seem to remember a bunch of weird stuff happening for the first few years and Embiid and Simmons being in and out of the lineup quite a bit. So I'm not sure it was 100% on him.

Also, while it was in the weaker East, he did get them to within a miracle shot by Kawhi to the ECF.

 

[tlance]

Maybe. I seem to remember a bunch of weird stuff happening for the first few years and Embiid and Simmons being in and out of the lineup quite a bit. So I'm not sure it was 100% on him.

Also, while it was in the weaker East, he did get them to within a miracle shot by Kawhi to the ECF.

Yeah.

I just don’t give him any credit for developing Simmons and Embiid.

If anything, I think they have both underachieved relative to their talent levels.

We see what Embiid is capable of now.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yeah.

I just don’t give him any credit for developing Simmons and Embiid.

If anything, I think they have both underachieved relative to their talent levels.

We see what Embiid is capable of now.

As far as their development, I don't really see a lot of difference in either of their games. Especially Simmons. Embiid has always been able to play like he has this year, he just never did it as consistently as he has this year.

Where I see the biggest difference is that they never really learned how to play together under Brown. Doc has fixed that and, imo, that's why they are getting better results.

I see it kind of similar to when Phil took over the Shaq/Kobe Lakers. Del Harris did all he could with them and they won plenty of games. But Phil was able to get them to actually play together so they could win championships.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Maybe. I seem to remember a bunch of weird stuff happening for the first few years and Embiid and Simmons being in and out of the lineup quite a bit. So I'm not sure it was 100% on him.

Also, while it was in the weaker East, he did get them to within a miracle shot by Kawhi to the ECF.

I’ll tell you the whole story tomorrow. Hanging with family now but it’s like a pilot for a soap opera.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Maybe. I seem to remember a bunch of weird stuff happening for the first few years and Embiid and Simmons being in and out of the lineup quite a bit. So I'm not sure it was 100% on him.

Also, while it was in the weaker East, he did get them to within a miracle shot by Kawhi to the ECF.

The whole Process was weird. The object of their desire was Morey but they couldn’t pry him free from Houston but they were able to get Sam Hinke from their analytics department. Hinke goes on to trade everybody of value. They draft Nerlens Noel and MCW (later trade him after ROTY). They were looking to draft Wiggins or Parker but lottery had them at 3 and they are saved from themselves as they take Embiid. Embiid doesn’t play for two years. After that they draft Jah Okafor and the NBA becomes fickle over the Sixers Process and Adam Silver strong arms ownership to put old man Colangelo in place. Hinkie knows he’s been backdoored and resigns leaving the Sixers with monster assets and cap space. Colangelo hires his son as GM and he goes out and fucks it all up. He didn’t screw up his first pick. That’s Simmons. But the next year he makes the failed trade up for Fultz. Fultz plays a handful of games (enough to knock out Embiid before playoffs). Simmons wins ROTY and then Burner Gate breaks out with little Colangelo maintaining a burner account where he talks shit. He “resigns” in disgrace. So Brett Brown is defacto GM the summer LBJ PG13 and Kawhi (through trade) was available. Sixers whiff on all of that. Eventually they hire Elton Brand. He trades for Jimmy Butler and later Tobias Harris. They lose to Kawhi. Embiid cries on National tv. Jimmy Butler says fuck this noise and bolts for Miami. They overpay Harris as to not lose him and Butler. They bring in horrible fit Horford. It doesn’t work. Swept in the bubble. Brown is fired. The whole Process was a comedy of errors before Doc and Morey. The Sixers are lucky they are where they are.