2021 NBA regular season thread

[msgkings322]

Kobe's game was the closest to MJ's. But even then he was still miles behind His Airness. Shows just how great # 23 really was.

Miles behind?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Miles behind?

Definitely not.

 

[msgkings322]

Definitely not.

Yeah, MJ was (co-) GOAT but Kobe was an all time great too. The distance between their skillsets and personalities isn't huge. MJ gets this kind of hagiography all the time, he was the greatest, yet he is treated like a literal god.

 

[Wamu]

Miles behind?

Yep. Here are their career stats.

MJ: 30.1 ppg (best all time), 6.2 reb's, 5.3 asts, 2.3 stls / 49.7% FG / 10 scoring titles / 3x led league in stls / ROY / DPOY / 5x league MVP / 6x Finals MVP

Kobe: 25.0 ppg (# 13 all time), 5.2 rebs, 4.7 asts, 1.4 stls / 44.7% FG / 2 scoring titles / never led the league in stls / no ROY award / no DPOY award / one league MVP / 2 Finals mvp's


Kobe's the closest to MJ. But the numbers show it really isn't that close.

 

[msgkings322]

Yep. Here are their career stats.

MJ: 30.1 ppg (best all time), 6.2 reb's, 5.3 asts, 2.3 stls / 49.7% FG / 10 scoring titles / 3x led league in stls / ROY / DPOY / 5x league MVP / 6x Finals MVP

Kobe: 25.0 ppg (# 13 all time), 5.2 rebs, 4.7 asts, 1.4 stls / 44.7% FG / 2 scoring titles / never led the league in stls / no ROY award / no DPOY award / one league MVP / 2 Finals mvp's


Kobe's the closest to MJ. But the numbers show it really isn't that close.

Vocabulary argument.

 

[Wamu]

Yeah, MJ was (co-) GOAT but Kobe was an all time great too. The distance between their skillsets and personalities isn't huge. MJ gets this kind of hagiography all the time, he was the greatest, yet he is treated like a literal god.

Oh there's no doubt Kobe's an all time great. Would never say he wasn't. But when you put his accomplishments next to MJ's they aren't that close.

 

[shopson67]

Yep. Here are their career stats.

MJ: 30.1 ppg (best all time), 6.2 reb's, 5.3 asts, 2.3 stls / 49.7% FG / 10 scoring titles / 3x led league in stls / ROY / DPOY / 5x league MVP / 6x Finals MVP

Kobe: 25.0 ppg (# 13 all time), 5.2 rebs, 4.7 asts, 1.4 stls / 44.7% FG / 2 scoring titles / never led the league in stls / no ROY award / no DPOY award / one league MVP / 2 Finals mvp's


Kobe's the closest to MJ. But the numbers show it really isn't that close.

ROY isn't a fair comparison, as Kobe came straight from high school to a good team that didn't need to start him. Kobe edges in 3%, FT%. Many players since Jordan's time have been stiffed of MVPs by voter fatigue, with Kobe, Shaq, and Lebron being notables. Different eras to boot. Funny how Kobe was considered a shot hog, but Jordan averaged 3 more shots per game.

All that said, Jordan is the definitive GOAT, at least for wings. You can make arguments for bigs (KAJ, Russell, Wilt) for consideration, but that is a tough comparison.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Yep. Here are their career stats.

MJ: 30.1 ppg (best all time), 6.2 reb's, 5.3 asts, 2.3 stls / 49.7% FG / 10 scoring titles / 3x led league in stls / ROY / DPOY / 5x league MVP / 6x Finals MVP

Kobe: 25.0 ppg (# 13 all time), 5.2 rebs, 4.7 asts, 1.4 stls / 44.7% FG / 2 scoring titles / never led the league in stls / no ROY award / no DPOY award / one league MVP / 2 Finals mvp's


Kobe's the closest to MJ. But the numbers show it really isn't that close.

Kobe could have scored more easily. Obviously I take mj but it's not a cavern of difference

 

[Robotech]

Bazemore is definitely a clown and I got nothing but respect for Bradley Beal for firing back. I'd actually be disappointed if he didn't. The volume of tweets though was a bit much, but that's just me being nitpicky about it. He could have easily just killed him in a tweet or two, but he kept firing off.

But keep Steph's name out of it though.

Yeah, Bazemore is dumb. Dumb fouls, dumb mistakes all the time, but he doesn't seem like a mean-spirited guy at all. Kinda hilarious that Beal kept tweeting more and more, and then even his wife got in on it.

 

[msgkings322]

Kobe could have scored more easily. Obviously I take mj but it's not a cavern of difference

Could he have? Not like that chucker was passing up shots though

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Could he have? Not like that chucker was passing up shots though

He demonstrated that when he had to. When you have other stars you gotta keep them happy too.

 

[shopson67]

Could he have? Not like that chucker was passing up shots though

Kobe: 19.5 att/g
Jordan: 22.9 att/g

 

[flyerhawk]

Yep. Here are their career stats.

MJ: 30.1 ppg (best all time), 6.2 reb's, 5.3 asts, 2.3 stls / 49.7% FG / 10 scoring titles / 3x led league in stls / ROY / DPOY / 5x league MVP / 6x Finals MVP

Kobe: 25.0 ppg (# 13 all time), 5.2 rebs, 4.7 asts, 1.4 stls / 44.7% FG / 2 scoring titles / never led the league in stls / no ROY award / no DPOY award / one league MVP / 2 Finals mvp's


Kobe's the closest to MJ. But the numbers show it really isn't that close. ROY/ 0 DPY, 4X League MVP, 4X Finals MVP,

Ummmm

Lebron's line 27 ppg, 7.8 assists, 7.9 rebounds, 1 stl, 50.5% FG/ 1 scording title/ ROY/ No DPOY/ 4X League MVP/ 4X Finals MVP.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Ummmm

Lebron's line 27 ppg, 7.8 assists, 7.9 rebounds, 1 stl, 50.5% FG/ 1 scording title/ ROY/ No DPOY/ 4X League MVP/ 4X Finals MVP.

Personally I'd take Lebron but I'm biased.

 

[Wamu]

Ummmm

Lebron's line 27 ppg, 7.8 assists, 7.9 rebounds, 1 stl, 50.5% FG/ 1 scording title/ ROY/ No DPOY/ 4X League MVP/ 4X Finals MVP.

LeBron isn't a SG correct?

 

[flyerhawk]

LeBron isn't a SG correct?

He's a pointshootingguardforward.

 

[Wamu]

Personally I'd take Lebron but I'm biased.

Do you have him in your all time starting five? I do.

Magic
MJ
LeBron
Duncan
Olajuwon

 

[trojanfan12]

Miles behind?

Kobe is the 2nd greatest SG of all time. Is it a "miles wide gap"? No.

But it is a sizeable one. Possibly bigger than the gap between #1 and #2 at almost any other position.

And that's not a sleight on Kobe...it just shows how big the elephant Kobe was trying to bag, actually was.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Do you have him in your all time starting five? I do.

Magic
MJ
LeBron
Duncan
Olajuwon

Hakeem over Kareem?

 

[trojanfan12]

Hakeem over Kareem?

He left Larry Bird out of his starting lineup...what more do ya want from him? lol