Plan " B" at qb

[skinsdad62]

I thought that the stated goal was to put together a team that could be an annual participant in the playoff run towards a SB? So, the answer, based upon the current make up of this team is to get a short term (quick) answer to your long term goals. That said...

Outside of trading for "that guy" I honestly don't see a path for Washington to get permanency/ stability at the QB position. There not going to be that guy with a skillset at selection 19 that will be able to do what will be immediately required of him. Any pick lower will be more of a "project" than the guy at 19. Trading up at some point becomes prohibitive and begs the question... If you're trading X,Y, Z, in order to move up for an untested rookie, how much more is it to pay the cost to get a young proven top 5 QB?

I'll wager this though, If they do get Watson, there's not one person anywhere who's going to object to the cost in relation to what's gained at QB.

i will and you can take that to the bank . the only way we get that guy is by gutting the team and the future drafts . our picks are too low (would be ok if we didnt make the playoffs and this case proves my point i made back then )

and there is a path , its called drafting one , training him , and letting him see what he has when he is ready

next year , about this time we will be talking about the next great qb coming out , and then again in 22 and then again in 23 (arch manning )

now if we get DW be prepared for not beginning to be real superbowl contenders until 23 to 24 when you get start getting top 32 to 64 talent in

 

[skinsdad62]

More speculation.

how so ? the cap numbers are the cap numbers . i cant tell you who the team identifies as priority but if the spend FA money in one area it means you cant in another leaving , what you have on the roster or draft picks starting in round 3 to help . most 3 rounders arent gibson or mac

 

[Stymietee]

Damn, Todd McShay has Mac Jones going 12! Okay, it might be me.

I hope he goes at 12, there's going to be pressure to start the guy if selected at 19, more if he's selected at 12, especially after a move up. Jones is another project and will need to sit and learn. Sitting and learning is NOT the Washington way!

 

[skinsdad62]

I hope he goes at 12, there's going to be pressure to start the guy if selected at 19, more if he's selected at 12, especially after a move up. Jones is another project and will need to sit and learn. Sitting and learning is NOT the Washington way!

it should be . start allen or TH and run with that until jones knows the pro game . playing jones alot in the 2nd half of preseason games is a must

 

[Stymietee]

i will and you can take that to the bank . the only way we get that guy is by gutting the team and the future drafts . our picks are too low (would be ok if we didnt make the playoffs and this case proves my point i made back then )

and there is a path , its called drafting one , training him , and letting him see what he has when he is ready

next year , about this time we will be talking about the next great qb coming out , and then again in 22 and then again in 23 (arch manning )

now if we get DW be prepared for not beginning to be real superbowl contenders until 23 to 24 when you get start getting top 32 to 64 talent in

I completely disagree!

You don't have to "gut" your team in order to get Watson. We'll have to agree to disagree on this important point.

 

[skinsdad62]

I completely disagree!

You don't have to "gut" your team in order to get Watson. We'll have to agree to disagree on this important point.

ok what do you think brings DW in here

 

[Stymietee]

it should be . start allen or TH and run with that until jones knows the pro game . playing jones alot in the 2nd half of preseason games is a must

Sitting 'em is not a Washington thing!

 

[skinsdad62]

Sitting 'em is not a Washington thing!

new coach new culture

 

[kbso83432]

This is where I'm at right now, could change.

1. Dak
2. Trade up for Fields
3. Trade up for Wilson
4. Trade 19 for Carr
5. J. Winston
6. Trade up slightly for Lance
7. Cam Newton, Heinicke, and Allen
8. Heinicke, Smith, and Allen
9. Fitz, Heinicke, and Allen
10. Cooley and McShay both like Mac Jones and I trust both of them so ill put him here.

Didn't include Watson, Russell, or Ryan.....just don't see it, but Watson and Russ would of course be 1 and 2. Ryan.....6ish.

There is always Bridgewater, Mariota, and Tyrod. I've just seen enough from all three of those guys to know that I don't want to move forward with any of them.

Didn't know where to put Darnold, because I would be open to that, I just don't know what the Jets would want.

 

[Breed]

how so ? the cap numbers are the cap numbers . i cant tell you who the team identifies as priority but if the spend FA money in one area it means you cant in another leaving , what you have on the roster or draft picks starting in round 3 to help . most 3 rounders arent gibson or mac

Far as who they'll keep n who they'll let go. Besides if somehow the Skins could work a deal out for Watson. I don't really have a problem with the very real possibility that depth-wise things could be dicey for a year or two. As acquiring Watson isn't a win the Super Bowl right now move like some have tried to frame it. It's a be truly competitive with any team in the NFL n having a QB capable of leading the Skins to multiple Super Bowls over the course of the next 10 to 12 years, maybe more after a few more are added to the roster type move to me.

I rooted n supported the Skins when they made what I felt were incorrect depth depleting moves for Clinton Portis on up to Donovan McNabb n all the silly ass deals in between. As well as several, not all, but several questionable moves in FA throughout the last 20 years. All of which I had various degrees of dislike to great disdain n disappointment over. And now while I doubt it happens. This proposed multiple pieces for 1 player trade is the first deal I can think of in the Snyder era that if the Skins made it happen. Will be the first deal of this nature that will be worth it for the player they acquire.

 

[Stymietee]

ok what do you think brings DW in here

I've rethought my original offer and sweetened it up a bit. The basic offer remains the same, so here ya go.

First this year and next

3rd in 2022, and 2023

Choice of Matt Ioannidis /or Daron Payne (They had the worse run stopping defense )

( If I have to sweeten the pot then our 3rd in 2021 in exchange for their 4th, we have an extra 3rd this year, SF)

The new additions:

1. If Landon Collins refuses to switch to safety then he becomes that second defensive player that Houston has asked for.

2. Houston will need an experienced QB, so I sign and trade Kyle Allen to them and if they want Alex Smith, buh-bye!

 

[kbso83432]

Not saying I would do it, but I think this is what it would take.

#1 2021
#2 2021
#1 2022
#2 2023
Chase Young
Matt Ioannidis or Kameron Curl

I think Chase in the deal trumps Tua and #3 plus, or Darnold and #2 plus.

 

[Stymietee]

And the FA signing, trading for or drafting of 2nd n 3rd tier QBs every few years. While hoping a QB capable of being a legit NFL QB falls into your lap. Without having to take any risk will become this team's new norm. While fans worry and wring their hands out over which DT or DE or CB to re-sign and which ones to let go. Meanwhile Watson will be leading whichever team had the nuts n foresight to trade for him. Habitually deep into the playoffs after perhaps a few lean years with a couple less draft picks while still under 30 years old.

It's all together possible that some here are fretting over what's given up without the foresight to know what that eventually turns out to be. Keeping all of our draft capital guarantees one thing and that's an ability to select players. What it doesn't do is tell us if any or all of them will be great, moderate or minor contributors in time. I'm personally not impressed with Ron Rivera nor Hundley. Mayhew is a former player but his draft record is so-so. Where's this confidence coming from regarding what to be gained from drafting? What they aren't focusing on is what's gained with a player with Watson. He is an already proven top 5 NFL QB, and with him on board and nothing else, this team becomes the favorite to win the division even if Dak returns to Dallas.

 

[Stymietee]

Not saying I would do it, but I think this is what it would take.

#1 2021
#2 2021
#1 2022
#2 2023
Chase Young
Matt Ioannidis or Kameron Curl

I think Chase in the deal trumps Tua and #3 plus, or Darnold and #2 plus.

Too much!! Those 2nd round picks become too valuable if they are trading away #1's. This is why I've compensated with other, starting defensive players that Houston stated that they would want, plus a QB or two (Smith ) Chase Young is off limits and I'd have to hold my nuts and bite my tongue to consider Kurl.

 

[kbso83432]

It is too much, but that gets it done imo.

Otherwise I see the Texas taking other offers.

 

[Stymietee]

"Can we win a Superbowl with ____________ as our quarterback?"

Whatever name you put in there, if YOU think the answer is no, then do not spend any picks or trade any assets for said quarterback.

"We can win Super-bowls with Watson as our quarterback?"

Switched the first two words and pluralized Super-Bowl.

There are no other names that comes close other than Prescott. I don't understand why it is that, when a once in the history of football opportunity comes along, there's so much opposition to going after it. Can anyone name one other time that a 25 year old top 5 NFL QB became the subject regarding availability via trade?

 

[Stymietee]

It is too much, but that gets it done imo.

Otherwise I see the Texas taking other offers.

Can't argue with your opinion, good job!

 

[Stymietee]

most people on this board want a HOF qb . they wont be satisfied without one . avg to good wont cut it because they percieve it as being tried . well i say no it hasnt because our team hasnt put together a complete roster of good players since our last superbowl appearance back when long haired humanoids roamed the earth

Nonsense, but when the arc of one who is heading that way comes along in a once in the history of football opportunity, you take that opportunity or prove that a level of fear of success exists in your organization.

 

[Stymietee]

the economics precludes it . i showed above what it does to the team and the cap and the effect of losing the draft picks . you just cant put together a package that would beat the competitors for his services without going full blow ricky williams for 2 drafts

Why are you still saying this? My offer disproves your position.

 

[kbso83432]

"We can win Super-bowls with Watson as our quarterback?"

Switched the first two words and pluralized Super-Bowl.

There are no other names that comes close other than Prescott. I don't understand why it is that, when a once in the history of football opportunity comes along, there's so much opposition to going after it. Can anyone name one other time that a 25 year old top 5 NFL QB became the subject regarding availability via trade?

I want Watson just as much as you Sty, im just of the belief if we don't lead with Chase Young, we get an immediate dial tone. Watson is more valuable than Chase, but what if you offer Chase, still come up short and it gets out. What does that do to the locker room and the "culture?"