Plan " B" at qb

[skinsdad62]

Washington Struck Out on Matt Stafford - So What’s Next?

Missing on Matt was bad...so where can the Football Team turn now?

www.hogshaven.com

i am in the minority on this and i dont think RR would do this but i draft the best prospect i can jones , mond ETC and go with CDC , TH and allen heading into TC

CDC doesnt sound like he wants to retire , and TH and allen have the knowledge of the offense and are mobile enough to run this offense

it isnt the best option but i really really dont want to give up good defensive players and 3 1st rounders and hope that's enough for watson or that he could make up for those losses . (he didnt in houston )

i wouldnt get mad at marriota or carr being acquired for the right price or even taylor if you move on from CDC

i just dont want to gut the team and its future drafts hoping the new qb can get us to 9 wins consistently . we arent a qb away from a superbowl

 

[skinz2winz]

Washington Struck Out on Matt Stafford - So What’s Next?

Missing on Matt was bad...so where can the Football Team turn now?

www.hogshaven.com

i am in the minority on this and i dont think RR would do this but i draft the best prospect i can jones , mond ETC and go with CDC , TH and allen heading into TC

CDC doesnt sound like he wants to retire , and TH and allen have the knowledge of the offense and are mobile enough to run this offense

it isnt the best option but i really really dont want to give up good defensive players and 3 1st rounders and hope that's enough for watson or that he could make up for those losses . (he didnt in houston )

i wouldnt get mad at marriota or carr being acquired for the right price or even taylor if you move on from CDC

i just dont want to gut the team and its future drafts hoping the new qb can get us to 9 wins consistently . we arent a qb away from a superbowl

We are closer than you give the team/coaches credit for. Maybe not a QB, but a QB, LB, WR none the less. Having said that, I'm with you on not gutting any draft at this point. Bite the bullet, roll with TH and Allen, Montez and play your cards right heading into 2022 with SB or bust.

 

[kbso83432]

Damn, we are still in quarterback purgatory. The guys I want probably won't be available (Carr, Ryan, Dak) or we don't have what it takes to get them (Watson).

That leaves Cam, Fitz, and maybe Winston.

I just can't trade assets for Darnold. He hasn't shown me enough.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Draft qbs Book or Monds .. just draft wr Toney bring in FA wr Samuels and we will have one hell of a wr core Terry ,
Samuels , Toney.. roll with Allen and Hinecke Alex smith (tbd)get a Te. Simple Mic drop out

 

[kbso83432]

This defense with a MLB and maybe a slot corner is ready to go. We don't have time for a project QB. I'd rather roll with Heinicke than burn a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a maybe. jmo

 

[Stymietee]

Washington Struck Out on Matt Stafford - So What’s Next?

Missing on Matt was bad...so where can the Football Team turn now?

www.hogshaven.com

i am in the minority on this and i dont think RR would do this but i draft the best prospect i can jones , mond ETC and go with CDC , TH and allen heading into TC

CDC doesnt sound like he wants to retire , and TH and allen have the knowledge of the offense and are mobile enough to run this offense

it isnt the best option but i really really dont want to give up good defensive players and 3 1st rounders and hope that's enough for watson or that he could make up for those losses . (he didnt in houston )

i wouldnt get mad at marriota or carr being acquired for the right price or even taylor if you move on from CDC

i just dont want to gut the team and its future drafts hoping the new qb can get us to 9 wins consistently . we arent a qb away from a superbowl

Question(s):

1. Is it true that Mariotta, Carr, and Tyrod Taylor are second tier QB's? (mid to lower half of QB's by ranking)

2. What guarantees do we have that we are going to strike gold with any of the draft picks that are kept?

3. Would you rather have a bona fide star that attracts other players who want to come play with him, than good, middle of the road guys who keep you relevant but not championship level relevant. (the latter is the history of this team}

4. For the gun shy based upon history, what's the difference between going after big ticket free agents like Deion, Archuletta, Mcnabb, etc and a player like Watson?

 

[Stymietee]

Washington Struck Out on Matt Stafford - So What’s Next?

Missing on Matt was bad...so where can the Football Team turn now?

www.hogshaven.com

i am in the minority on this and i dont think RR would do this but i draft the best prospect i can jones , mond ETC and go with CDC , TH and allen heading into TC

CDC doesnt sound like he wants to retire , and TH and allen have the knowledge of the offense and are mobile enough to run this offense

it isnt the best option but i really really dont want to give up good defensive players and 3 1st rounders and hope that's enough for watson or that he could make up for those losses . (he didnt in houston )

i wouldnt get mad at marriota or carr being acquired for the right price or even taylor if you move on from CDC

i just dont want to gut the team and its future drafts hoping the new qb can get us to 9 wins consistently . we arent a qb away from a superbowl

We are closer than you give the team/coaches credit for. Maybe not a QB, but a QB, LB, WR none the less. Having said that, I'm with you on not gutting any draft at this point. Bite the bullet, roll with TH and Allen, Montez and play your cards right heading into 2022 with SB or bust.

Draft qbs Book or Monds .. just draft wr Toney bring in FA wr Samuels and we will have one hell of a wr core Terry ,
Samuels , Toney.. roll with Allen and Hinecke Alex smith (tbd)get a Te. Simple Mic drop out

Didn't the front office just tell you all that they would rather trade the 19th overall than to settle for any of the leftovers that will be available to them through a lesser trade and/or free agency?

Further, didn't they also tell you that they aren't ready to roll with Heinicke, Allen, Montez or Smith by going after Stafford?

Clearly this team is in the QB market and whatever the case they want to upgrade at that spot. Few available or via trade and I'm suggesting through the draft, are upgrades. Whatever he spoke to Dan about regarding his stated "highest priority" (QB), I guarantee you it wasn't to do a a lateral transfer or any notions of standing pat with what they have.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Looking back at the BUCS game, although that is a small sample size, why did we lose the game? Was it more so QB, WRs choking or defense. I didn't do the homework to my own question but...i think we could survive with a FA qb and upgrade elsewhere. We're not good enough to win a conference title yet, and i don't see any rookie qb in the draft that would change that in a couple years

 

[skinz2winz]

Didn't the front office just tell you all that they would rather trade the 19th overall than to settle for any of the leftovers that will be available to them through a lesser trade and/or free agency?

Further, didn't they also tell you that they aren't ready to roll with Heinicke, Allen, Montez or Smith by going after Stafford?

Clearly this team is in the QB market and whatever the case they want to upgrade at that spot. Few available or via trade and I'm suggesting through the draft, are upgrades. Whatever he spoke to Dan about regarding his stated "highest priority" (QB), I guarantee you it wasn't to do a a lateral transfer or any notions of standing pat with what they have.

There is no other qb beside Watson (less the gut draft & possibly a starter or two) that will elevate this team at the QB position. Let me repeat myself, NONE! So, why waste draft capital, why give away young valuable starters (besides picks that's what other teams want) when we are on the cusp, just need to be patient and keep adding to this team. I would love Watson here but considering all possibilities, the cost will set us back many valuable picks and players. Heaven forbid he got hurt early on after the trade. This team as it currently is constructed, challenged to the fullest any team on its schedule in the 2nd half. This team does compete every week and with some offense (we really had none all year) we will continue competing each week until we can seize that guy, whether it be in the draft or via FA next year.

 

[Breed]

Washington Struck Out on Matt Stafford - So What’s Next?

Missing on Matt was bad...so where can the Football Team turn now?

www.hogshaven.com

i am in the minority on this and i dont think RR would do this but i draft the best prospect i can jones , mond ETC and go with CDC , TH and allen heading into TC

CDC doesnt sound like he wants to retire , and TH and allen have the knowledge of the offense and are mobile enough to run this offense

it isnt the best option but i really really dont want to give up good defensive players and 3 1st rounders and hope that's enough for watson or that he could make up for those losses . (he didnt in houston )

i wouldnt get mad at marriota or carr being acquired for the right price or even taylor if you move on from CDC

i just dont want to gut the team and its future drafts hoping the new qb can get us to 9 wins consistently . we arent a qb away from a superbowl.

Watson isn't just a QB. He's a proven top tier QB who's under contract for 5 more years and at 25 is just realizing his full potential. The Skins win 12 games with him this year n may still be playing. He accounted for 83.5% of Houston's offense last year, no player has accounted for more of their team's offensd in NFL history. FAs will want to play with him wherever he goes. He will stabilize the QB position for the next 10-12 years, maybe more. He will unquestionably be the Skins best QB since an in his prime Sonny J. 3 1st n a player or two will seem like a bargain basement deal 4 or 5 years from now.





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[Stymietee]

There is no other qb beside Watson (less the gut draft & possibly a starter or two) that will elevate this team at the QB position. Let me repeat myself, NONE! So, why waste draft capital, why give away young valuable starters (besides picks that's what other teams want) when we are on the cusp, just need to be patient and keep adding to this team. I would love Watson here but considering all possibilities, the cost will set us back many valuable picks and players. Heaven forbid he got hurt early on after the trade. This team as it currently is constructed, challenged to the fullest any team on its schedule in the 2nd half. This team does compete every week and with some offense (we really had none all year) we will continue competing each week until we can seize that guy, whether it be in the draft or via FA next year.

Nobody and there are zero exceptions to this, ever complained about trading ("gutting the future") away all of those draft picks for RGIII until he got injured. In fact the talk was that he was the face of the future changes in the NFL at QB. Now you have an established star in Watson and the rationale for not getting him is "he might get hurt?" Really??

Outside of RGIII and possibly the middling Cousins, how many opportunities has this organization had to get a young (25) already established star with tremendous upside at the QB position? That said, there are no guarantees that keeping the draft picks will net you anything close to what you're getting in exchange. Rare top tier QB's aren't just players on the field, they are also that guy that attracts talent to your team. Talent that you won't generally get with the non star types. So, to me it comes down to getting that sure thing vs hope that this time, unlike all of the other times, that this time, it will all work out by sticking to a formula that has failed so many times before.

BTW: you don't have to "gut your future" when your future is in the youngsters that you have remaining on your roster after a trade for a 25 year old star.

1st in 2021 and 2022... (6 and 5 picks remaining respectively minimum)

3rd in 2021**, 2022 and 2023... ( 5, 6 and full 7 picks remaining respectively minimum)

Ioannidis ( 2016/Round: 5/Pick 52) and/or Payne (2018/Round: 1 / Pick 13) both man one of the easier positions to fill when drafting.

** Pick in exchange for their 4th round selection in 2021

 

[Stymietee]

Watson isn't just a QB. He's a proven top tier QB who's under contract for 5 more years and at 25 is just realizing his full potential. The Skins win 12 games with him this year n may still be playing. He accounted for 83.5% of Houston's offense last year, no player has accounted for more of their team's offensd in NFL history. FAs will want to play with him wherever he goes. He will stabilize the QB position for the next 10-12 years, maybe more. He will unquestionably be the Skins best QB since an in his prime Sonny J. 3 1st n a player or two will seem like a bargain basement deal 4 or 5 years from now.





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Yep! dude is top 5 without as much as Washington already has offensively. I'll bet that if there was a way to get him without the fear, folks would be all over that trade scenario. Unfortunately, that fear is real and it's based, judging by the negative responses here upon the history of this team's penchant for trading/signing has been stars of yesteryear and injury to that one guy traded for in 2012.

This, is not that, but honestly, what can you do?

Until they see something that's not been here since Sonny, there's going to be skepticism, doubt and fear. That said, being afraid to do something doesn't mean that it's not the thing that you have to do to actually improve your team. I don't know what that cost will be, but I do know that year after year this team wins the "can't get right award"

Watson is a huge step in correcting that terrible distinction.

 

[skinz2winz]

Nobody and there are zero exceptions to this, ever complained about trading ("gutting the future") away all of those draft picks for RGIII until he got injured. In fact the talk was that he was the face of the future changes in the NFL at QB. Now you have an established star in Watson and the rationale for not getting him is "he might get hurt?" Really??

Outside of RGIII and possibly the middling Cousins, how many opportunities has this organization had to get a young (25) already established star with tremendous upside at the QB position? That said, there are no guarantees that keeping the draft picks will net you anything close to what you're getting in exchange. Rare top tier QB's aren't just players on the field, they are also that guy that attracts talent to your team. Talent that you won't generally get with the non star types. So, to me it comes down to getting that sure thing vs hope that this time, unlike all of the other times, that this time, it will all work out by sticking to a formula that has failed so many times before.

BTW: you don't have to "gut your future" when your future is in the youngsters that you have remaining on your roster after a trade for a 25 year old star.

1st in 2021 and 2022... (6 and 5 picks remaining respectively minimum)

3rd in 2021**, 2022 and 2023... ( 5, 6 and full 7 picks remaining respectively minimum)

Ioannidis ( 2016/Round: 5/Pick 52) and/or Payne (2018/Round: 1 / Pick 13) both man one of the easier positions to fill when drafting.

** Pick in exchange for their 4th round selection in 2021

You make valid points in acquiring Watson however, the trepidation is based off previous history that has not been kind to this organization or fan base for well over 2 decades. Your plan you laid out could come to fruition "if" perhaps Ioannidis and Payne were the targets. Heck Allen could be as well but no trade should include the best 4-3 end tandem in all of football. That being said I could live with resigning Allen, Settle and drafting a replacement for the departed. To date we haven't been real lucky landing either a high profile FA or trading for one.

So the question now is: We were in on Stafford heavily, are we all-in on Watson? Because it will take "ALL" to get him.

 

[Stymietee]

You make valid points in acquiring Watson however, the trepidation is based off previous history that has not been kind to this organization or fan base for well over 2 decades. Your plan you laid out could come to fruition "if" perhaps Ioannidis and Payne were the targets. Heck Allen could be as well but no trade should include the best 4-3 end tandem in all of football. That being said I could live with resigning Allen, Settle and drafting a replacement for the departed. To date we haven't been real lucky landing either a high profile FA or trading for one.

So the question now is: We were in on Stafford heavily, are we all-in on Watson? Because it will take "ALL" to get him.

I agree Sweat and Young are off the board, and it would be organizational malpractice if Washington wasn't "all-in" for Watson. This is a once in several lifetimes* opportunity, in fact, there's one in the last 60 years** that comes close, and that one is, the current one involving Watson.

*Refers to the annual birthrate.

** refers to the number of years that I had NFL related cognition.

 

[skinsdad62]

Watson isn't just a QB. He's a proven top tier QB who's under contract for 5 more years and at 25 is just realizing his full potential. The Skins win 12 games with him this year n may still be playing. He accounted for 83.5% of Houston's offense last year, no player has accounted for more of their team's offensd in NFL history. FAs will want to play with him wherever he goes. He will stabilize the QB position for the next 10-12 years, maybe more. He will unquestionably be the Skins best QB since an in his prime Sonny J. 3 1st n a player or two will seem like a bargain basement deal 4 or 5 years from now.





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How many wins did that superb play get them ? 4 wins . If you gut the defense and the draft just what are you doing ?

 

[skinsdad62]

Question(s):

1. Is it true that Mariotta, Carr, and Tyrod Taylor are second tier QB's? (mid to lower half of QB's by ranking)

2. What guarantees do we have that we are going to strike gold with any of the draft picks that are kept?

3. Would you rather have a bona fide star that attracts other players who want to come play with him, than good, middle of the road guys who keep you relevant but not championship level relevant. (the latter is the history of this team}

4. For the gun shy based upon history, what's the difference between going after big ticket free agents like Deion, Archuletta, Mcnabb, etc and a player like Watson?

I don’t doubt watsons talents . I just wonder how he ended up with 4 wins .
Look at the Texans , they stink because of bad management stripping them of their future for quick fixes .

it could be 2024 before we can get this man some help via the draft

55 mil in cap space isn’t a whole lot . Take 15 mil off the top for sherff .( remember you are not likely to draft his equal in round 3 or less)

so you are at 40 mil not counting Watson’s cap impact

so now we will have lost RK ,Ironman or Payne / Allen or both ( maybe chase or sweat ) and expect that it will have the same level of play ,lb and safety won’t get addressed unless you say screw wr .

we have the first place schedule to play so you are saying Watson will overcome that get us 12 wins and a super bowl ?
I just don’t see a viable plan to put weapons in place for him

 

[skinsdad62]

Nobody and there are zero exceptions to this, ever complained about trading ("gutting the future") away all of those draft picks for RGIII until he got injured. In fact the talk was that he was the face of the future changes in the NFL at QB. Now you have an established star in Watson and the rationale for not getting him is "he might get hurt?" Really??

Outside of RGIII and possibly the middling Cousins, how many opportunities has this organization had to get a young (25) already established star with tremendous upside at the QB position? That said, there are no guarantees that keeping the draft picks will net you anything close to what you're getting in exchange. Rare top tier QB's aren't just players on the field, they are also that guy that attracts talent to your team. Talent that you won't generally get with the non star types. So, to me it comes down to getting that sure thing vs hope that this time, unlike all of the other times, that this time, it will all work out by sticking to a formula that has failed so many times before.

BTW: you don't have to "gut your future" when your future is in the youngsters that you have remaining on your roster after a trade for a 25 year old star.

1st in 2021 and 2022... (6 and 5 picks remaining respectively minimum)

3rd in 2021**, 2022 and 2023... ( 5, 6 and full 7 picks remaining respectively minimum)

Ioannidis ( 2016/Round: 5/Pick 52) and/or Payne (2018/Round: 1 / Pick 13) both man one of the easier positions to fill when drafting.

** Pick in exchange for their 4th round selection in 2021

Shark and I both came out against the RG 3 trade

 

[skinsdad62]

Anyone want to talk about Watson’s 2 previous ACL. Injuries ? How many did RG3 have ? Hint 2

 

[Sportster 72]

Shark and I both came out against the RG 3 trade

Me too .... they where much better off with the 4th pick ... it was all the wasted picks on a guy that didn't have the skills that hurt.

 

[Stymietee]

Shark and I both came out against the RG 3 trade

I'm not referring to the trade but rather to the aftermath of that first season. Dude was electric and nobody cared about those draft picks until the injuries came.