2021 NBA regular season thread

[Wamu]

What dirt will he spill?
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I'd be shocked if he doesn't talk some shit about Ray Allen.

 

[CitySushi]

Oubre $15M
Osman $8

And outplaying him

Defense is half the game?

 

[dtgold88]

We all make way too early judgement calls on here. It's the exact same reason GM's draft the players is because they see the potential. Whether or not they ever live up to it is an entirely different matter.

I mean just look at what you were saying about Kevin Porter Jr. Just a few weeks ago.

what was I saying? Never mind a slight difference as he actually is talented. Just didn't grow up...yet. Can he? I kind of wish we'd have found out while he was still here (but suspended and away from the team). I hope he can for his sake.

 

[dtgold88]

They need defense. Signing Korver does nothing except gives them 1 fewer spot to make their defense respectable

Yep...they have Korver in Joe Harris.

 

[dtgold88]

Oh please. That get off my lawn grandpa shit doesn't work on me. Everyone thinks it was all better when they were young.

No doubt get what you are saying, but not everyone. Pretty sure you and I go back a while but still appreciate today's athletes (and yesterday's).

I can understand the younger kids thinking today's guys are better (as they never saw the past players live), but never got the idea guys our age (or older) couldn't appreciate both generation of players. Idea Lebron and AD really couldn't play back in the day is comical.

 

[dtgold88]

Also, he acts like no player ever went on the DL back then

Guess he's not wrong they played hurt more often back in the day but I think if they had the info they do now things might have been different.

 

[dtgold88]

Lol, back then, you broke a bone , cast 4-6 weeks , 2 weeks later you were back on the field.

Today, you break a bone, out entire season!

Am I exaggerating this?

yes

 

[dtgold88]

on the day porter was drafted i said i thought it was a bad pick and didnt think they should do it. ill find you the quotes if you want.

Most late first rounders and 2nd rounders especially amount to nothing so hard for me to call it a bad deal (especially at the time). High reward, low risk IMO. If he falls apart you either kick him out or move him as they did. If he could get it together it's a steal.

Now Houston can try it.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Oubre is a 43% and 32% shooter career wise, I think it's safe to say it's early and he'll figure it out.

Osman is career 43.2% field, 36.1% from 3

Oubre career 42.7%, 32.1 % from 3

 

[dtgold88]

Yeah I recall and you nailed it with that prediction. But the Porter comment wasn’t addressed to you it was to @dtgold88 who was piling on to my “just wrong” picks. Even the best GMs in the world get picks and predictions wrong so it’s more than likely fans like you, me or DT can be wrong as well.

Pretty sure wiggy had same thought as me, though, in that with Porter it was not that he didn't have talent he just went beyond nutjob. Other guys just are not good basketball players (well, NBA level, at least).

Not like I blame GS for that as where they were picking it was all a crapshoot. Missing on guys picked after them not a big deal to me. However, letting go of guys who blossom elsewhere (like maybe Boucher) might be.

Hope cavs don't have that happen with Porter. Guess for his sake I do.

all that said, when guys who do this for a living mess up (even the best ones) certainly fans can be wrong.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Defense is half the game?

Sure but the whole point of the conversation was Oubre’s shooting number. Oubre is no doubt a better defender but he is also shooting 21% from 3. If Oubre’s defense is so great it is worth double Cedi’s salary than fine...but I highly doubt it. Either way, I’m not the one that initially compared their shooting numbers trying to make a point. 21% to 34% isn’t much of a comparison though

 

[Wamu]

Osman is career 43.2% field, 36.1% from 3

Oubre career 42.7%, 32.1 % from 3

Hey dumbbell when LeBron broke your heart and left Cleveland for a second time one of many incorrect things you spewed was his skills would start to deteriorate quickly because of all the mileage he has. So when exactly will LeBron's skills start to deteriorate? Wait a minute. Is it possible you were nothing more than a butthurt super-homer & completely full of shit again?

 

[CitySushi]

Pretty sure wiggy had same thought as me, though, in that with Porter it was not that he didn't have talent he just went beyond nutjob. Other guys just are not good basketball players (well, NBA level, at least).

Not like I blame GS for that as where they were picking it was all a crapshoot. Missing on guys picked after them not a big deal to me. However, letting go of guys who blossom elsewhere (like maybe Boucher) might be.

Hope cavs don't have that happen with Porter. Guess for his sake I do.

all that said, when guys who do this for a living mess up (even the best ones) certainly fans can be wrong.

Still a swing and a miss. Hoping a guy develops and hoping a guy get's his head right are both in the same category of potential. There was a reason he dipped all the way in the draft because of questions. Same with a guys work-ethic, basketball IQ, shooting potential, etc.

Warriors had guys in camp like Kendrick Nunn and Chris Boucher, but let both of them go. They need to be better at evaluating talent and figuring out which guys stick. We don't get to see the practices and what they're doing behind the scenes so it's tough for us to say. But the fact remains is that the Warriors have let more guys go who have been better elsewhere than have developed themselves.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Still a swing and a miss. Hoping a guy develops and hoping a guy get's his head right are both in the same category of potential. There was a reason he dipped all the way in the draft because of questions. Same with a guys work-ethic, basketball IQ, shooting potential, etc.

Warriors had guys in camp like Kendrick Nunn and Chris Boucher, but let both of them go. They need to be better at evaluating talent and figuring out which guys stick. We don't get to see the practices and what they're doing behind the scenes so it's tough for us to say. But the fact remains is that the Warriors have let more guys go who have been better elsewhere than have developed themselves.

the Warriors player development record the last few years has been horrendous.

of course that is partly because of lack of high draft picks.

From TheAthletic earlier in the year:

Bob Myers is terrible at getting shooting for this team. He did a great job of crafting the era of Golden State Warriors basketball that ruined the league. Everybody thinks of 3-point shooting when it comes to this Warriors era. However, it’s really just the Splash Brothers and Kevin Durant during that time. Everybody else is kind of mediocre when it comes to outside shooting with this team.

• In 2013-14, the non-Splash Brothers Warriors shot 32.8 percent from deep.
• In 2014-15 (championship season), the non-Splash Brothers Warriors shot 34.9 percent from deep.
• In 2015-16 (73-9 season), the non-Splash Brothers Warriors shot 37.7 percent from deep.
• In 2016-17 (championship season), the non-Splash Brothers Warriors shot 32.8 percent from deep.
• In 2017-18 (championship season), the non-Splash Brothers Warriors shot 35.9 percent from deep.
• In 2018-19, the non-Splash Brothers Warriors shot 34.7 percent from deep.
• In 2019-20, the non-Splash Brothers Warriors shot 33.5 percent from deep.

In seven seasons there, there’s one good shooting season for the supporting cast, one fine supporting cast shooting season (which included Kevin Durant’s shooting) and a lot of head-scratchers. Right now? Kelly Oubre is 0-of-17 from deep and 2-of-35 on non-dunk shots this season, according to NBA.com. Even though Curry hasn’t been good from deep, the non-Splash Brothers Warriors are shooting 32.2 percent from deep. The Warriors should try to find some shooting for this team; otherwise, their ideal offensive system isn’t going to mean anything.

 

[DJ]

Osman is career 43.2% field, 36.1% from 3

Oubre career 42.7%, 32.1 % from 3

So no response to Osman shooting numbers this season after ripping Oubre?

 

[CitySushi]

the Warriors player development record the last few years has been horrendous.

of course that is partly because of lack of high draft picks.

From TheAthletic earlier in the year:

Bob Myers is terrible at getting shooting for this team. He did a great job of crafting the era of Golden State Warriors basketball that ruined the league. Everybody thinks of 3-point shooting when it comes to this Warriors era. However, it’s really just the Splash Brothers and Kevin Durant during that time. Everybody else is kind of mediocre when it comes to outside shooting with this team.

• In 2013-14, the non-Splash Brothers Warriors shot 32.8 percent from deep.
• In 2014-15 (championship season), the non-Splash Brothers Warriors shot 34.9 percent from deep.
• In 2015-16 (73-9 season), the non-Splash Brothers Warriors shot 37.7 percent from deep.
• In 2016-17 (championship season), the non-Splash Brothers Warriors shot 32.8 percent from deep.
• In 2017-18 (championship season), the non-Splash Brothers Warriors shot 35.9 percent from deep.
• In 2018-19, the non-Splash Brothers Warriors shot 34.7 percent from deep.
• In 2019-20, the non-Splash Brothers Warriors shot 33.5 percent from deep.

In seven seasons there, there’s one good shooting season for the supporting cast, one fine supporting cast shooting season (which included Kevin Durant’s shooting) and a lot of head-scratchers. Right now? Kelly Oubre is 0-of-17 from deep and 2-of-35 on non-dunk shots this season, according to NBA.com. Even though Curry hasn’t been good from deep, the non-Splash Brothers Warriors are shooting 32.2 percent from deep. The Warriors should try to find some shooting for this team; otherwise, their ideal offensive system isn’t going to mean anything.

100% agree. Really the downfall happened after Jerry West left the organization. From there the Warriors haven't really hit on anyone of note other than Eric Paschall who looks like a real player.

I think a HUGE problem with the players the Warriors have drafted is they have never drafted for potential. Like...ever, since they've been on their run. All the guys they have drafted "fit" Steve Kerr's system which is just wrong. Especially when it comes to later picks in the draft, sometimes you have to take a risk like Porter. Even though he didn't work out for you, at the time it was probably still the best move for the Cavs given their lack of overall talent in the system.

The Warriors drafted McCaw because they thought they could make him Iguodala 2.0. They drafted Jordan Bell because they thought he would be ideal for Kerr's small ball lineup. They drafted Damian Jones who they thought could be McGee's replacement. They drafted Jacob Evans because they thought he could fit into their switchable defense.

While McCaw and Bell did fit a role within their span, their potential to develop beyond that was limited. As such they never progressed as players. Once their roles evolved and they were asked to do more, they couldn't.

Myers and Kerr were looking for plug and play guys. They found them to an extent, but now it's come back to bite him now that we needed those guys to try and do more. It's tough because they were all late first or seconds, but still they should have had at least 1 serviceable player in that 5 year span.

 

[Shanemansj13]

So no response to Osman shooting numbers this season after ripping Oubre?

They are still better than Oubre’s numbers but I would call Osman’s league average numbers. Oubre’s numbers are pretty bad...still early but really no comparison.

Of course this is just one part or their game, both players have the ability to take the ball to the hoop. Oubre is more athletic and explosive but Osman is a pretty good finisher and has size as well. Oubre is the better defender without a doubt. As of this season Osman is shooting A LOT better and that is while taking more 3’s as well, that can’t be disputed.

Not sure why Cedi was brought up, he is just a quiet foreigner. Definitely inconsistent but he is also the same age as Oubre.

 

[CitySushi]

I'm not 100% on the Kerr has to go train, but it's starting to get close to that for me. Things are piling up in a negative favor for him and I don't think he possesses the ability to turn this team around. Takes no accountability as a coach and seems to always want to blame the team for lack of effort.

Last night alone:

1) Played Oubre 31 minutes when he wasn't contributing a thing.
2) Played Nico Mannion early 3rd quarter minutes instead of Damion Lee.
3) On a night where the Warriors were struggling with shooting, plays Mulder only 4 minutes in garbage time. He hits his only shot which happens to be a 3.
4) Refuses to try to mix up lineups to figure out what's working on a given night. Incredibly rigid with rotations.
5) On a night where Draymond gets tossed in the first half, Paschall only ends up with 19 minutes. Again, when the Warriors are struggling to score.

But then he says this.....

 

[Shanemansj13]

100% agree. Really the downfall happened after Jerry West left the organization. From there the Warriors haven't really hit on anyone of note other than Eric Paschall who looks like a real player.

I think a HUGE problem with the players the Warriors have drafted is they have never drafted for potential. Like...ever, since they've been on their run. All the guys they have drafted "fit" Steve Kerr's system which is just wrong. Especially when it comes to later picks in the draft, sometimes you have to take a risk like Porter. Even though he didn't work out for you, at the time it was probably still the best move for the Cavs given their lack of overall talent in the system.

The Warriors drafted McCaw because they thought they could make him Iguodala 2.0. They drafted Jordan Bell because they thought he would be ideal for Kerr's small ball lineup. They drafted Damian Jones who they thought could be McGee's replacement. They drafted Jacob Evans because they thought he could fit into their switchable defense.

While McCaw and Bell did fit a role within their span, their potential to develop beyond that was limited. As such they never progressed as players. Once their roles evolved and they were asked to do more, they couldn't.

Myers and Kerr were looking for plug and play guys. They found them to an extent, but now it's come back to bite him now that we needed those guys to try and do more. It's tough because they were all late first or seconds, but still they should have had at least 1 serviceable player in that 5 year span.

It should be noted the Cavs gave up I believe 4 2nd round picks and $5M for Porter Jr...they were definitely high on him lol. Still for what Gilbert spends that is nothing and 2nd’s dont mean much but still...the kid fucked it all up but he definitely has a ton of talent. Hopefully Houston can keep him straight and he will realize this could potentially be his last shot in the league

 

[Shanemansj13]

I'm not 100% on the Kerr has to go train, but it's starting to get close to that for me. Things are piling up in a negative favor for him and I don't think he possesses the ability to turn this team around. Takes no accountability as a coach and seems to always want to blame the team for lack of effort.

Last night alone:

1) Played Oubre 31 minutes when he wasn't contributing a thing.
2) Played Nico Mannion early 3rd quarter minutes instead of Damion Lee.
3) On a night where the Warriors were struggling with shooting, plays Mulder only 4 minutes in garbage time. He hits his only shot which happens to be a 3.
4) Refuses to try to mix up lineups to figure out what's working on a given night. Incredibly rigid with rotations.
5) On a night where Draymond gets tossed in the first half, Paschall only ends up with 19 minutes. Again, when the Warriors are struggling to score.

But then he says this.....

Wow, I know he used to coaching a top team but that doesn’t instill much confidence in your players