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Does not comprehending what you are studying mean you are not working hard enough ?
 

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I may have missed something, but where did RR say anything about DH not working hard enough or being lazy? in fact, what exactly did RR say about any deficiencies in DH? I’m not sure he said anything except the statement about winning the division.
 

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Does not comprehending what you are studying mean you are not working hard enough ?
Not in this instance because unlike a math, physics or history class where the test is mentally rote, this is all about a physical action based upon what's read. What makes it worse is that familiar typical anal retentive coach who wants to see "perfection" as only he knows it. I cannot tell you how many times that I've heard "do it again" in practice back in the day.

Allen Iverson "Practice" Rant - YouTube




Sep 07, 2012 · The classic original Allen Iverson practice rant from 2002.
 

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I may have missed something, but where did RR say anything about DH not working hard enough or being lazy? in fact, what exactly did RR say about any deficiencies in DH? I’m not sure he said anything except the statement about winning the division.

The WFT has a history of character assassination when they are preparing to rid themselves of someone. These rumors were allowed to somehow find their way into the public domain, of course, without accountability. We all hoped that the new regime would end all of that, thus my disappointment when the HC (even if he completely hated the guy) didn't step up and defend a fellow human from this BS.

So, let me ask, what's the difference between Bruce Allen doing it and the new regime doing the same thing? RR must take note and take action lest he be bathed in the same old shit!
 
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I may have missed something, but where did RR say anything about DH not working hard enough or being lazy? in fact, what exactly did RR say about any deficiencies in DH? I’m not sure he said anything except the statement about winning the division.
I don’t think he did but un - named sources and where there is smoke there is fire rule the day .

Nothing learned from the foster debacle . Assassinate character without evidence for clicks is the new sports journalism
 

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I don’t think he did but un - named sources and where there is smoke there is fire rule the day .

Nothing learned from the foster debacle . Assassinate character without evidence for clicks is the new sports journalism
"Culture change!" "Culture change!" that's what was being pushed with this new regime. So, even if it was factual reporting heard and reported from a source that was from "a person with knowledge of the situation" as they say, where's the accountability? Who is responsible for stepping up to defend against both the offended individual and equally important, the organization? A simple, "we don't do that here!" followed by " We're trying to build something here and "leaks" of this kind won't be tolerated!" would have been enough, but to just let it go, true or not sends a familiar message to fans/followers and supporters of this team and every player in that locker room that RR says he's worried about losing!
 

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Then assured everyone who dared listen to that BS, that the move was made in order to give the team their best shot at winning, right?
I believe that was just more of the mixed messaging. No more no less. And given the current state of this laughable division this year...still an accurate assessment, lol
Let's revisit this no matter what happens with him. If I'm wrong, I'll definitely give you props for taking this position.
Of course!
Again if your standard is that low I can’t help you

It’s embarrassing
Just gotta stick my :2cents: in again here. You play the schedule in front of you. To me, it’s not about ‘embarassing’ In terms of wins for the division. It remains playing hard, with fight and if the division happens, so much the better for a developing and young team. nothing embarrassing to me about a young team experiencing a one and done playoff round. In fact, I’d argue, a valuable learning experience for their tool kit.
 

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Not at all. Some people lack the aptitude on specific subjects to learn or see at the appropriate pace on a given subject.
Bingo!
 

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Not at all. Some people lack the aptitude on specific subjects to learn or see at the appropriate pace on a given subject.
So are you saying that is what may be happening here with DH?
 

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For me, it is about play on the field. The incorrect pass protections and decision making we saw. The emphasis on his brand, the selfie, the ‘league done me wrong’ and numerous other things that showed lack of maturity and self awareness involved in playing a TEAM sport.

The question remains, what do we have in DH. I personally didn’t see enough BUT if the reports are true, and I tend to believe them (with Green and Keim and RR inferences and direct statements) there were issues beyond what the average fan could see. Added, are the comments from Terry and no leaks or dissension from any of his other teammates regarding his benching.
 

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So are you saying that is what may be happening here with DH?

I am saying it could be. Or he could be lazy, or misdirected, or entitled. I don’t know him personally, so I do not know his work habits.

I am saying things look very fishy with regard to his handling. I stated when we signed Allen it sends the wrong message, whether innocently or not. Then you look at the timing of when DH was benched, and it has to give you pause. Then you see the result of his benching...we went 1-3 with DH against teams that are a combined 21-15-1. After his benching, we are 1-4 against teams that are a combined 18-29, keeping in mind that four of those wins were against us. I would say there is a very good chance we would have at least two more wins with DH.
 

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For me, it is about play on the field. The incorrect pass protections and decision making we saw. The emphasis on his brand, the selfie, the ‘league done me wrong’ and numerous other things that showed lack of maturity and self awareness involved in playing a TEAM sport.

The question remains, what do we have in DH. I personally didn’t see enough BUT if the reports are true, and I tend to believe them (with Green and Keim and RR inferences and direct statements) there were issues beyond what the average fan could see. Added, are the comments from Terry and no leaks or dissension from any of his other teammates regarding his benching.

I agree it is about play on the field. We saw a young guy making mistakes under yet another head coach. We did see a lack of maturity from a young guy. So we replaced him with a loser, maybe a mature loser.

WE have nothing in DH. Another team MAY end up with something. We COULD HAVE ended up with something, but WE mishandled the entire situation from the beginning.

What incorrect password protections are you referring? DH was sacked 13 times. QBs since have been sacked 17 times...both over 3 per game.

What wrong decisions are you referring? Not throwing into the end zone?

Every player looks at their brand. It is a business.

The selfie was bad but easily correctable. Pull DH aside after the game and Say WTF. You are the QB, act like it. This is your job. If you do this shit again, we will fine you.

When you ask a guy how he thinks he did, and he just threw for 300 yards, he may delusionally say he played well.
 

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I am saying it could be. Or he could be lazy, or misdirected, or entitled. I don’t know him personally, so I do not know his work habits.

I am saying things look very fishy with regard to his handling. I stated when we signed Allen it sends the wrong message, whether innocently or not. Then you look at the timing of when DH was benched, and it has to give you pause. Then you see the result of his benching...we went 1-3 with DH against teams that are a combined 21-15-1. After his benching, we are 1-4 against teams that are a combined 18-29, keeping in mind that four of those wins were against us. I would say there is a very good chance we would have at least two more wins with DH.
I actually agree that the handling of DH by RR was not the best. In hindsight, if RR thought Allen gave the team the best chance because DH wasn't ready to be an NFL QB (for what ever reason), then Ron should've started Allen from game one and work with DH behind the scenes to develop. For all we know, Snyder may have mandated to RR that DH start, which is why it unfolded as it did.

Clearly DH has done (or not done) something that has led RR to believe that he is not an NFL caliber QB. What that is, we do not know. They rumors and speculations, are just that. But I don't believe that this was some predetermined, machiavellian plot to "ruin" DH. That just doesn't pass the smell test to me.
 

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I actually agree that the handling of DH by RR was not the best. In hindsight, if RR thought Allen gave the team the best chance because DH wasn't ready to be an NFL QB (for what ever reason), then Ron should've started Allen from game one and work with DH behind the scenes to develop. For all we know, Snyder may have mandated to RR that DH start, which is why it unfolded as it did.

Clearly DH has done (or not done) something that has led RR to believe that he is not an NFL caliber QB. What that is, we do not know. They rumors and speculations, are just that. But I don't believe that this was some predetermined, machiavellian plot to "ruin" DH. That just doesn't pass the smell test to me.

I don’t believe it was to ruin DH. I believe it was to start Allen because RR predetermined Allen was a better fit. That being said, RR would not have had the support of the fan base, and thus the owner, if he had done so.
 

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I don’t believe it was to ruin DH. I believe it was to start Allen because RR predetermined Allen was a better fit. That being said, RR would not have had the support of the fan base, and thus the owner, if he had done so.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you thought that, but there are some here that have insinuated as much. Just way too much drama for me.
 

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Stymietee said:
Then assured everyone who dared listen to that BS, that the move was made in order to give the team their best shot at winning, right?

Caliskinsfan

"I believe that was just more of the mixed messaging."

Bring back Bruce! Bring back Bruce! Bring back Bruce! :pound::pound:
 

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"Culture change!" "Culture change!" that's what was being pushed with this new regime. So, even if it was factual reporting heard and reported from a source that was from "a person with knowledge of the situation" as they say, where's the accountability? Who is responsible for stepping up to defend against both the offended individual and equally important, the organization? A simple, "we don't do that here!" followed by " We're trying to build something here and "leaks" of this kind won't be tolerated!" would have been enough, but to just let it go, true or not sends a familiar message to fans/followers and supporters of this team and every player in that locker room that RR says he's worried about losing!
i agree
 

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I believe that was just more of the mixed messaging. No more no less. And given the current state of this laughable division this year...still an accurate assessment, lol

Of course!

Just gotta stick my :2cents: in again here. You play the schedule in front of you. To me, it’s not about ‘embarassing’ In terms of wins for the division. It remains playing hard, with fight and if the division happens, so much the better for a developing and young team. nothing embarrassing to me about a young team experiencing a one and done playoff round. In fact, I’d argue, a valuable learning experience for their tool kit.
i am not talking about whats put in front of us . i expect a division winning team to actually be a winning team and consider anything less as illegitimate and not worthy of chest thumping
 

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Not at all. Some people lack the aptitude on specific subjects to learn or see at the appropriate pace on a given subject.
so putting forth that the kid isnt trying hard enough, if this is the case, is an unfair charge
 
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