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[Breed]

I have a better reason and it begins with Washington beating Carolina with, the rookie Haskins as starter and ends with Ron Rivera's dismissal. Petty? Absolutely!! but how else do we explain some of these early decisions, especially that "Test" that he offered as lending itself to some disappointment because Haskins didn't throw it into the end zone?

Next, it is altogether possible that trading for Kyle Allen was the clue leading to an intent to not play DH at some point. Let's be honest, without Allen the choice came down to starting Haskins or Smith who wasn't fully recovered. Add Allen to the mix and the decision comes down to starting Allen or Haskins. Forgoing, Haskins at the beginning of the season in favor of Allen and he might have been run out of town on a rail.

Finally, I don't believe that there's one HC, player or attentive fan who is unaware of an upcoming NFL schedule for their teams. Almost everyone looks at these schedules in order to figure out possible wins or losses leading to a successful season. With this in mind, I have zero doubts that Ron Rivera saw this schedule, and as the season played out, decided to play Allen in order to make that trade seem more valuable when starting him against far weaker opponents. How does this factor into the handling of DH? Well, if you have more confidence in the guy that you spent assets in trading for, than the one that you've inherited, well...

That's a little too petty imo. Besides, its not like DH lit Carolina up. 13.25 147 yd 0TDs 0INTs.

What did Carolina in that day was 129 yards by Guice on 10 carries, 2 TDs, and AD's 99 yards on 13 carries, 1 TD.

Was it a good sign or a good thing for DH that RR brought Allen with hi9m. Nope, but it can be explained that Allen knew his offense and in a year with no OTCs or preseason that was a valuable asset to know and was also two-fold. In having a QB who knew RR's system and could teach it to Haskins and Smith. If that game against Carolina did anything far as how RR saw Haskins. I'd say he was clearly not impressed at all.

All that said. I'd like know how much if any of those negative that were circulated about Haskins were on point. Cuz if so, he probably needed benching. To render him inactive, that was hardcore right there. Was it warranted, I can't call it.

 

[skinsdad62]

Based on history and what I have seen so far. I am much more sceptical of the team than you are and history has proven that football czars generally don't work out.

I know you are a fan of RR and Smith but so far, I am not impressed. They failed to improve the team and team future at the deadline and that makes no sense. I didn't want to trade anyone at this point but did think we had the chance to get a draft picks.

At this point, RR could trade Young for 2046 6th round pick and I think you and I would argue with it. Go ahead and bookmark the thread that RR will be let go because of his poor front office strategy. Again, being patient and letting RR and Smith do whatever they want despite common sense is not a sound strategy.

Based on history and what I have seen so far. I am much more sceptical of the team than you are and history has proven that football czars generally don't work out.

I know you are a fan of RR and Smith but so far, I am not impressed. They failed to improve the team and team future at the deadline and that makes no sense. I didn't want to trade anyone at this point but did think we had the chance to get a draft picks.

At this point, RR could trade Young for 2046 6th round pick and I think you and I would argue with it. Go ahead and bookmark the thread that RR will be let go because of his poor front office strategy. Again, being patient and letting RR and Smith do whatever they want despite common sense is not a sound strategy.

what history ? 1/2 a year ? come on . and who did you think we should have gotten that we didnt

 

[skinsdad62]

Not securing the ball... he's turned it over in every game that he's played thus far (fumble at the goal line on 4th and goal against Dallas) and "pressing" is who he is. Changing that would be akin to his growing into a 8 foot giant. There is the visual that seems to show the team as operating more smoothly with Allen playing, but that's an illusion bought about because he's playing against teams that are equal to or worse than Washington.

Hard to imagine that after all of his hard work in the off-season and numerous reports of Rivera himself praising the physical conditioning, film study and mental efforts of DH leading up to training camp, followed by the selection of Haskins as "QB1 for the full season." that DH suddenly stopped doing the work necessary after two starts, one bad game and his last that showed that he had rebounded from the previous bad game.

my thoughts exactly

 

[skinz2winz]

my thoughts exactly

There has to be more to the story than we know unless...Dwayne was "acting like a fool with his pants on the ground".

 

[gkekoa]

I keep insisting that DH is their guy, apparently, nobody here believes that or are willing to give this young man the benefit of doubt that is typically afforded young mid to high first round QB's. The questions related to why this is happening, I'll leave to the conscience of individual posters. In the meantime, I'm just going to offer this little nugget in support of my position...

Please take note of what Ron Rivera says in this piece.

Could Washington turn back to Dwayne Haskins as QB1 for ...

Has DH even been back with the team?

Maybe RR wanted to see how he deals with adversity.

 

[duke1861]

I agree with your first part, but you second is a bit puzzling. It could be a misunderstanding on my part but I still believe that DH is going to be a really good QB. Is it your point that "the ship has sailed" on him here or throughout the league?

I said worthless pick because RR obviously doesn't want him and it appears the league is not interested in DH either. From what I have read, no real offers came to the Skins for him. I believe the ship has sailed with DH contributing to WSH. He isn't even the back up anymore?

 

[duke1861]

This has certainly been an interesting change at QB with NO real justification other than, Kyle knows our offense better. Who cares, Dwayne has the physical tools that Allen does not have and once he learns the system inside and out, his ceiling has unlimited growth imo. What a ploy if this was RR's plan all along when bringing Allen in. I certainly hope not and would have rather seen DH improve with each game in RR's first year as HC.

I completely agree. Keep in mind RR really didn't help our QBs by not addressing the OLine or getting playmakers. Bringing in Thomas and McKissic is not showing much effort at all.

 

[duke1861]

what history ? 1/2 a year ? come on . and who did you think we should have gotten that we didnt

We should have hired the GM first and let the GM hire the coach.

We did it in reverse. We hired a coach and annointed him ruler of the front office. That never really works...you know that.
For some reason, coaches have an itch to scratch with running the front office. Not sure if it has really ever worked.

Danny said that "there will be one voice going forward...the coach". I would hope we all had serious concerns when he said that...or at least I did.

The GM's job is to build the roster...not the coach. To use your phrase.....we are trying a quick rebuild and not doing it correctly. The correct/patient way is to hire a GM and let them build the roster and hire the coach.

 

[skinz2winz]

I completely agree. Keep in mind RR really didn't help our QBs by not addressing the OLine or getting playmakers. Bringing in Thomas and McKissic is not showing much effort at all.

You don't have to sell me Duke, I get that RR did nothing this off season to help any QB on his new team let alone DH. Top that off with Sims being out for a while, no real #2 WR, middle of the road TE learning the position and a banged up offensive line (Schreff has been out), Charles never made it out of the gate and 2 fill-in's at LG/LT respectively. It's been almost embarrasing trying to defend RR's reasoning because its so ridiculous to have Benched Haskins after a few games knowing fully well we are in year 1 of a rebuild/start-over/new culture time for the WFT.

While I really like Tmac & Antonio Gibson, we NEED PLAY-MAKERS on this team desperately.

 

[duke1861]

You don't have to sell me Duke, I get that RR did nothing this off season to help any QB on his new team let alone DH. Top that off with Sims being out for a while, no real #2 WR, middle of the road TE learning the position and a banged up offensive line (Schreff has been out), Charles never made it out of the gate and 2 fill-in's at LG/LT respectively. It's been almost embarrasing trying to defend RR's reasoning because its so ridiculous to have Benched Haskins after a few games knowing fully well we are in year 1 of a rebuild/start-over/new culture time for the WFT.

While I really like Tmac & Antonio Gibson, we NEED PLAY-MAKERS on this team desperately.

LOL...its freshing to have another fan out there see the dumpster fire for what it is. Believe it or not, we have posters on this board who don't see it that way and want to "wait and see".

It reminds me of the Naked Gun scene "There is nothing to see here"

Anyone who defends RR's offseason decisions is not looking at the big picture. Hopefully, he and Smith learned their lesson and realize this isn't Hoosiers and you can't coach up players and get maximum effort for a win.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Believe it or not, we have posters on this board who don't see it that way and want to "wait and see".

This is my reasoning. What else can you do? Are you a proponent of firing RR right now??!! So what the heck else is there to do but wait and see at this point? And hope this team grows and plays? That is where I am.

 

[Stymietee]

That's a little too petty imo. Besides, its not like DH lit Carolina up. 13.25 147 yd 0TDs 0INTs.

What did Carolina in that day was 129 yards by Guice on 10 carries, 2 TDs, and AD's 99 yards on 13 carries, 1 TD.

Was it a good sign or a good thing for DH that RR brought Allen with hi9m. Nope, but it can be explained that Allen knew his offense and in a year with no OTCs or preseason that was a valuable asset to know and was also two-fold. In having a QB who knew RR's system and could teach it to Haskins and Smith. If that game against Carolina did anything far as how RR saw Haskins. I'd say he was clearly not impressed at all.

All that said. I'd like know how much if any of those negative that were circulated about Haskins were on point. Cuz if so, he probably needed benching. To render him inactive, that was hardcore right there. Was it warranted, I can't call it.

A little too petty perhaps, however, it's not beyond reason or the human condition to discount that very real possibility. BTW; losing to Washington to everyone outside of Washington nation, is one of the most embarrassing things that could happen to them. I don't think that there's anyone around who witnessed that game, no matter how it came to be, who didn't think that the Panther organization wasn't embarrassed and RR seat went from hot to intolerable.

To be fair, it was probably a bit of both good and bad for Haskins that RR bought in Allen in that it displayed the confusion that RR was experiencing. On the one hand he wanted that insurance policy, on the other the policy had no redeemable value with respect to his stated goal of rebuilding this franchise into some future fixture in playoff football. It did give him a ready excuse to bench Haskins, after stating that he, (Haskins) had the job for the season. Ya can't really trust a coach that says one thing today then another contradictory one later.

If Rivera absolutely hated Haskins, he came here, in part to end all of that back-stabbing public shaming of people who were no longer favored here. He absolutely failed even if he was not the source of these "leaks." He is, in effect in charge and as such must be responsible for setting the tone and enforcing it. Perhaps I missed it ( I put football aside for a while) or perhaps it was never done, but as soon as these "leaks" came out his responsibility was to first, publicly denounce them and then handle this business in house. A move like that tells everyone that, coach has your back against, true or not, shit that should be kept in house. Again, he failed!

 

[Stymietee]

Has DH even been back with the team?

Maybe RR wanted to see how he deals with adversity.

I have no idea!

Well, if he truly wanted to see how Haskins dealt with adversity, perhaps continuing to insist that Dwayne throw into the end zone when both receivers are doubled and the natural instinct of QB's at every level is against doing that, is the thing to do.

 

[Stymietee]

I said worthless pick because RR obviously doesn't want him and it appears the league is not interested in DH either. From what I have read, no real offers came to the Skins for him. I believe the ship has sailed with DH contributing to WSH. He isn't even the back up anymore?

OK thanks!

Just one note, if you had control over an NFL team and truly wanted DH, knowing what you just wrote about him above, would you, show some interest, try to make that trade, or keep silent in order to pick him up after Washington foolishly releases him sometime between now and next season at no cost to your team?

 

[Stymietee]

Who the hell is going to give anything of value for DH ? But smith is an idiot ? Foolish take

The smart thing to do, is wait for Washington to do a Washington by foolishly releasing him and picking him up for free.

 

[Stymietee]

There has to be more to the story than we know unless...Dwayne was "acting like a fool with his pants on the ground".

I'm actually good with not knowing, some things are best kept within the "family." That public shaming was sooo Bruce Allen who, Btw, must be sitting back in a lounge chair somewhere, with a cold one in his hand, enjoying the sunset while thinking to himself...."Ahhhh, just like I left them!"

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I'm actually good with not knowing, some things are best kept within the "family." That public shaming was sooo Bruce Allen who, Btw, must be sitting back in a lounge chair somewhere, with a cold one in his hand, enjoying the sunset while thinking to himself...."Ahhhh, just like I left them!"

Real question... you honestly see NO difference in this team and coaching staff this year? Cuz all I’m seeing from you is hypotheticals and the narrative LOL REDSKINS. Look I get it, we’ve been a joke for years. But I’m exhausted with post after post of how we are gonna FUCK it up again,

I mean, honestly it’s exhausting.

That’s all, carry on. JMHO

 

[Sportster 72]

Real question... you honestly see NO difference in this team and coaching staff this year? Cuz all I’m seeing from you is hypotheticals and the narrative LOL REDSKINS. Look I get it, we’ve been a joke for years. But I’m exhausted with post after post of how we are gonna FUCK it up again,

I mean, honestly it’s exhausting.

That’s all, carry on. JMHO

C'mon Cali, get on board the negativity train.
Allen is Rex
DH can't learn
Our OLine sucks
Trade RK for a round 53 pick
We should have signed the guy in Monday night booth that no one else wanted either
RR sucks
Smith sucks .... make me the GM

WTF down 7 with 3 1/2 quarters to go .... POOP!!! I am going fishing these guys suck .... FIRE everyone.

 

[Stymietee]

Real question... you honestly see NO difference in this team and coaching staff this year? Cuz all I’m seeing from you is hypotheticals and the narrative LOL REDSKINS. Look I get it, we’ve been a joke for years. But I’m exhausted with post after post of how we are gonna FUCK it up again,

I mean, honestly it’s exhausting.

That’s all, carry on. JMHO

Real answer, I absolutely see a difference in the coaching staff, Rivera is a step up from Gruden, JD'R is an upgrade from Manusky there's no doubt about that. That said, you do yourself a disservice to not see the operational sameness in how the "leaks" get into the public atmosphere out of Ashburn. I would love to see examples of "hypotheticals" and the "narrative" posted by me that weren't honest and direct responses to posts from others here. Show me where I wrote about "how we gonna Fuck it up again" in my posts. or one instance in which I lied, misled, exaggerated, or didn't give a reasoned opinion.

I agree that it's exhausting, if you fight its truthfulness psychologically. However, if you just let it roll off of your synapses, then it's MEH!, or, less than Meh! In fact, a lot of these posts are downright funny in some instances. C'mon, admit it, you enjoy those "POOPS" " or threats of "going fishing" too, right? Perhaps it is an oversimplification to equate Allen with Rex, but I respect the opinion of the writer. I am one of the biggest defenders of Dwayne Haskins anywhere, and, when reading a post that suggests that he "can't learn" I am deeply offended, but I respect the nonsensical opinion of the author and know where it comes from.. When reading posts about the O-line "sucking" I understand that if comes from a place that's emotionally driven, in the moment, and know it for what it is. It's never happened on this site before but a suggestion concerning trading a round 53 pick for Ryan Kerrigan, or suggestions about a possible hire "that no one else wanted either" is an exaggeration as I read it, so I promptly put it in its proper place... humor or an attempt at it. I also understand that on any given Sunday or the following week, there are literally thousands, perhaps millions, everywhere using "suck or sucks" to describe a given player, coach or organizational head. BTW; in that vein, there may actually be some posters who could have done as good a job as some who were hired for the same. Oh well, we'll never know but there's a place for that too! So, if it's truly exhausting, and you realize that you're not going to stop people from doing it, perhaps another tack that doesn't allow these things to call upon you to use so much energy is in order. Forgive me, please, because that's merely an honest suggestion based upon your post to me. (it's exhausting) I'll totally defend your right to do your thing, your way, like everyone else here. I'm looking forward to more posts from you, keep 'em coming! Respect!





WTF down 7 with 3 1/2 quarters to go .... POOP!!! I am going fishing these guys suck .... FIRE everyone.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

So, if it's truly exhausting, and you realize that you're not going to stop people from doing it, perhaps another tack that doesn't allow these things to call upon you to use so much energy is in order. Forgive me, please, because that's merely an honest suggestion based upon your post to me. (it's exhausting) I'll totally defend your right to do your thing, your way, like everyone else here. I'm looking forward to more posts from you, keep 'em coming! Respect!

I have. I also post on quite a few other boards on tHoop that I enjoy quite a bit to change it up.

That’s why I have so many posts, ( even I do not have THAT much to say about the Skins) even after having taken a break from this board for almost 2 years lol

Clear eyes, Full Hearts, Can’t Lose thread is my haven. Created to adjust for my Optimistic but hopefully not completely delusional take on things.

And you know Sty, I respect You and your opinions and posts...and I especially respect some of the positives you noted above. Please feel free to add those to the optimistic thread

I also respect everyone else’s right to post whatever they like. Thus my ‘carry on’