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Bye Week News, Next Up - Redskins vs Giants

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You sort of hate to put a label on a young guy because sometimes they develop. The question is can he learn to do that. Haskin's from what we here is another story. Other than working out he supposedly does not put in the work. That is something he can change.
 

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Different players.
He had his guys there! Everything was in place, and Allen failed. So to use your reasoning, is this a correct statement?...Ready?..

Kyle Allen can succeed in Ron Rivera's system just as long as Rivera doesn't fill the roster with players that he believes fit and have experience in his system.
 

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He had his guys there! Everything was in place, and Allen failed. So to use your reasoning, is this a correct statement?...Ready?..

Kyle Allen can succeed in Ron Rivera's system just as long as Rivera doesn't fill the roster with players that he believes fit and have experience in his system.
That’s way too reasonable and sensible Sty.

To be fair, I do believe there lies a possible scenario where Kyle improves...like Breed mentioned earlier. It will be much easier to assess by the end of the season.
 

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He did last week

He had a singular game, against the worst defense in league history, where he did not have a turnover...he also scored 11 less than average against Dallas.

You never did answer my question...what do you think our record would be with DH having started every game?
 

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He had a singular game, against the worst defense in league history, where he did not have a turnover...he also scored 11 less than average against Dallas.

You never did answer my question...what do you think our record would be with DH having started every game?

Same. there is no way DH beats the Rams and there is no way DH makes that comeback drive against the Giants.
 

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Same. there is no way DH beats the Rams and there is no way DH makes that comeback drive against the Giants.

I agree there is no way DH beats the Rams.

There is a good possibility DH doesn’t need to make a comeback against the NYG because he probably wouldn’t have coughed the ball up. He also could have easily played better and put more points on the board prior to that point.

So even you admit, at worst, we would be in the exact same position today with DH...I think we would have one more win. So why did we make the change? Allen is 1-1 on the two easiest games on our schedule.
 

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I agree there is no way DH beats the Rams.

There is a good possibility DH doesn’t need to make a comeback against the NYG because he probably wouldn’t have coughed the ball up. He also could have easily played better and put more points on the board prior to that point.

So even you admit, at worst, we would be in the exact same position today with DH...I think we would have one more win. So why did we make the change? Allen is 1-1 on the two easiest games on our schedule.

For the future of this season I believe and RR believes Allen gives us the best change to win. Give Allen a chance this season. If he fails role with DH for 2021. IMO I dont think we will be drafting top 10 this year and all the QB's would be gone.
 

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For the future of this season I believe and RR believes Allen gives us the best change to win. Give Allen a chance this season. If he fails role with DH for 2021. IMO I dont think we will be drafting top 10 this year and all the QB's would be gone.

Again...this was not your argument originally. You said we would have a better record now.

There is zero % chance DH will come back and play here.
 

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Again...this was not your argument originally. You said we would have a better record now.

There is zero % chance DH will come back and play here.

lol. its been 2 games. Geez!!! give it time
 

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lol. its been 2 games. Geez!!! give it time

Like I said, DH would likely have one more win right now than Allen...DH would be improving still in the offense.

If we lose to NYG again, I will be giving you utter hell. If we lose to the Cowboys, I will be giving you utter hell.

Here is the thing...I have no doubt that Allen can move the ball. The problem is, I have no faith in him not to lose a game all by himself. He has done that far too often in his career.
 

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Like I said, DH would likely have one more win right now than Allen...DH would be improving still in the offense.

If we lose to NYG again, I will be giving you utter hell. If we lose to the Cowboys, I will be giving you utter hell.

Here is the thing...I have no doubt that Allen can move the ball. The problem is, I have no faith in him not to lose a game all by himself. He has done that far too often in his career.

right b/c DH never turns the ball over. cmon gk. Allen has just as good as arm and is alot more mobile than DH. The coaches and the team had seen enough of DH that is why he is on the bench. I will be pissed too if we lose against the Giants.
 

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right b/c DH never turns the ball over. cmon gk. Allen has just as good as arm and is alot more mobile than DH. The coaches and the team had seen enough of DH that is why he is on the bench. I will be pissed too if we lose against the Giants.

DH doesn’t turn it over like Kyle Allen. Kyle Allen has 7 more interceptions and 5 more fumbles than DH the last two seasons. Kyle Allen lacks the excuse of three coaches and two offenses with a reduced offseason from an overreaction to a global pandemic.
 

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DH doesn’t turn it over like Kyle Allen. Kyle Allen has 7 more interceptions and 5 more fumbles than DH the last two seasons. Kyle Allen lacks the excuse of three coaches and two offenses with a reduced offseason from an overreaction to a global pandemic.

The coaches and players wanted DH benched. Lets see how Allen handles it. If he fails you can gripe all you want.
 

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DH did nothing to hold on to hos tenuous starting role.

Then again, Kyle Allen hasnt either, really.

We’ll see if Allen can dominate bad defenses over the next few weeks.
 

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DH did nothing to hold on to hos tenuous starting role.

Then again, Kyle Allen hasnt either, really.

We’ll see if Allen can dominate bad defenses over the next few weeks.

Allen didn’t dominate bad defenses at any point this season.

I agree DH did nothing to hold onto the role, but is t it odd that he was the first QB replaced in the NFL?
 

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Allen didn’t dominate bad defenses at any point this season.

I agree DH did nothing to hold onto the role, but is t it odd that he was the first QB replaced in the NFL?
Why is that odd? He had a new coach that had zero invested in him. But the longer he played and if he didn't pan out, he would've become RR's problem. If RR came to the conclusion that DH was not ready and would not be for the foreseeable future, then I can understand why RR did what he did.
 
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