Retired Jerseys

[calsnowskier]

With the talk about Iggy and whether he deserves to have his jersey retired or not, it got me thinking about the Giants jerseys.

With the addition of Bonds and Clark, the Giants have, for all intents and purposes, dropped their HOF requirement. And seeing as the recent crop of Giants greats likely missing out on the hall (Bum and Posey have chances, but will likely end up on the outside looking in), who will get the honor?

I think Bum, Posey and Timmeh are near locks. But how about Cain? Pence? Sandoval? Maybe “Four” (instead of an actual number) for the core 4 to honor them as a group? Should there be a statue of the 9 who got all 3?

 

[Stokes1931]

 

[SFGRTB]

With the talk about Iggy and whether he deserves to have his jersey retired or not, it got me thinking about the Giants jerseys.

With the addition of Bonds and Clark, the Giants have, for all intents and purposes, dropped their HOF requirement. And seeing as the recent crop of Giants greats likely missing out on the hall (Bum and Posey have chances, but will likely end up on the outside looking in), who will get the honor?

I think Bum, Posey and Timmeh are near locks. But how about Cain? Pence? Sandoval? Maybe “Four” (instead of an actual number) for the core 4 to honor them as a group? Should there be a statue of the 9 who got all 3?

Let's not go overboard here. I think they should absolutely retire Posey's 28. I love Timmeh to death but I don't think they'll go so far to retire 55. I doubt we see it used for a good long while. Same with Cain and Bum.

That being said, we thought they would unofficially retire Cain's 18 and they gave it to Connor Joe last year, so

It would be pretty awesome if they retired Posey, Cain, Lincecum and Bum's numbers all at once, though. Ultimately it was those three arms, each with their own time in the spotlight, throwing to the mainstay behind, that could define the championship era. There were tons of side stories, but if you really had to break it down you could point to those 4, plus Boch, and the focal points.

 

[calsnowskier]

With Craw’s resurgence and his place on a lot of Giants all-time lists, I think he at least gets into this convo as well.

I do like the idea of a statue, or a special alcove plaque display or something for the 9 with 3. They need to be separated out somehow.

 

[msgkings322]

Posey is getting in the Hall of Fame book it

 

[tzill]

Posey is getting in the Hall of Fame book it

Agreed. He's got to go. Just too good, rings, face of the franchise for too long. He's an icon. There's no sense in having a HOF without him. Or Bonds.

 

[calsnowskier]

Agreed. He's got to go. Just too good, rings, face of the franchise for too long. He's an icon. There's no sense in having a HOF without him. Or Bonds.

I still think Mauer is his best comp.

THREE batting crowns
One MVP
Six All-Star games
Four top 10 MVP seasons
Five Silver Sluggers
Three Gold Gloves
Ten seasons as catcher (I am ignoring his 1B years)
31.9 WAR7

Posey

One batting crown
One MVP
Three championships
Six All-Star games (almost certainly another this year)
Three top 10 MVP seasons
ROY
Four Silver Sluggers
One Gold Glove (this actually surprised me)
Twelve seasons as catcher (so far)
36.7 WAR7 (‘21 is not yet in his WAR7; he is on pace for approx 5.5 WAR this year, so his WAR7 will likely increase by about 1.5 points this year)

 

[msgkings322]

Agreed. He's got to go. Just too good, rings, face of the franchise for too long. He's an icon. There's no sense in having a HOF without him. Or Bonds.

Or Clemens

 

[calsnowskier]

With the reunion yesterday, I have been thinking about this fresh recently.

28 WILL be retired. I don’t think anyone argues against that.

i am now 100% on board with 40 getting retired. He was a borderline HoVG player, but he is one of the greatest post season pitchers of all time, and single handedly delivered the ‘14 trophy. That is number-retiring-worthy, imho.

15 SHOULD be retired, but I doubt it will. Managers just don’t get that honor very often.

55 will not be retired, but it should be put on ice for a generation or 2. He was iconic, but he just wasn’t good enough for long enough.

18 should not. He was great. He was vital to the championships. But he was never THE guy.

4 and 9. Obviously not “jerseys”, but I think these need to be honored in a special way. The 4 got their plaque, and MAYBE that is enough for them. But what about the 9? They need AT LEAST a plaque. A statue would likely be too clunky, so it wouldn’t work, but I don’t think just a plaque is enough.

 

[filosofy29]

I think posey and bum. Love Cain and Timmy and won’t be upset if they do, but I think posey and bum should be the only certainties.

 

[tzill]

With the reunion yesterday, I have been thinking about this fresh recently.

28 WILL be retired. I don’t think anyone argues against that.

i am now 100% on board with 40 getting retired. He was a borderline HoVG player, but he is one of the greatest post season pitchers of all time, and single handedly delivered the ‘14 trophy. That is number-retiring-worthy, imho.

15 SHOULD be retired, but I doubt it will. Managers just don’t get that honor very often.

55 will not be retired, but it should be put on ice for a generation or 2. He was iconic, but he just wasn’t good enough for long enough.

18 should not. He was great. He was vital to the championships. But he was never THE guy.

4 and 9. Obviously not “jerseys”, but I think these need to be honored in a special way. The 4 got their plaque, and MAYBE that is enough for them. But what about the 9? They need AT LEAST a plaque. A statue would likely be too clunky, so it wouldn’t work, but I don’t think just a plaque is enough.

28 — agreed
40 — agreed. Imagine if we had only won once in 14; he’d be THE icon.
15 — maybe, but he won elsewhere and that actually hurts his chances.
55 — agreed, he was “good“ enough, but not for “long” enough. Odd that he wasn’t at the reunion.
18 — cannot be retired; it needs to be available for the next great Jewish Giant

 

[calsnowskier]

55 — agreed, he was “good“ enough, but not for “long” enough. Odd that he wasn’t at the reunion.

He has a rough go of it, if I am not mistaken. Apparently his wife died froma pretty batter with cancer. Not sure when that happened, though. He never really liked the limelight.

 

[tzill]

He has a rough go of it, if I am not mistaken. Apparently his wife died froma pretty batter with cancer. Not sure when that happened, though. He never really liked the limelight.

That’s awful…still would have liked to see him there

just looked it up — she died two years ago. Maybe the memories are too painful for him to come back…she was so young and by all accounts a great person…I feel really bad again for him.

 

[LHG]

He has a rough go of it, if I am not mistaken. Apparently his wife died froma pretty batter with cancer. Not sure when that happened, though. He never really liked the limelight.

He lost his brother in 2018 as well, just before he tried one last comeback with the Rangers