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Texas Rangers 2019-2020 Offseason Thread

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One thing we have to remember about Odor he had a high ceiling in the minors. He led the league in doubles at Myrtle Beach. Was called up to Frisco and tore it up like nobodies business. Then in his 1st 3 years his stats improved each year with defense being his biggest issue. I think that 3rd year ruined him. The guy hit .271 with 33 doubles and 33 HRs. But he is not an intelligent ballplayer and I feel he fell in love with the HR ball and that has been his demise. If he would get back to the doubles machine he was then the HRs would come. He tanked in 2017 and bounced back in 2018 with a better overall average and finished 4th among 2b in the majors defensively. He hit over 600 against Cleveland, over 350 against Boston and did well against the Jays, Twins and Angels. Then he tanked again last year. Until Solak came on the scene they had no real alternative in replacing Odor. Once Solak came aboard I was all for him taking over 2b. But I am just stating this because at one time people really liked what Odor was doing and while I am all for Solak replacing him even though he too is weak defensively odor has not always been a pile of crap like some make him out to be. Does he irritate the daylights out of me. Of course. He hits .274 with RISP and .421 with men of 3rd and less than 2 outs but can't hit his weight the rest of the time in 2019. While I am with you guys for the most part on Odor just wanted to lay out some facts. Because we talk about guys now in the minors who we think will automatically take over in the majors but you never know if they will go the way of an Odor or a Michael Young.

Nicely stated.
 

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One thing we have to remember about Odor he had a high ceiling in the minors. He led the league in doubles at Myrtle Beach. Was called up to Frisco and tore it up like nobodies business. Then in his 1st 3 years his stats improved each year with defense being his biggest issue. I think that 3rd year ruined him. The guy hit .271 with 33 doubles and 33 HRs. But he is not an intelligent ballplayer and I feel he fell in love with the HR ball and that has been his demise. If he would get back to the doubles machine he was then the HRs would come. He tanked in 2017 and bounced back in 2018 with a better overall average and finished 4th among 2b in the majors defensively. He hit over 600 against Cleveland, over 350 against Boston and did well against the Jays, Twins and Angels. Then he tanked again last year. Until Solak came on the scene they had no real alternative in replacing Odor. Once Solak came aboard I was all for him taking over 2b. But I am just stating this because at one time people really liked what Odor was doing and while I am all for Solak replacing him even though he too is weak defensively odor has not always been a pile of crap like some make him out to be. Does he irritate the daylights out of me. Of course. He hits .274 with RISP and .421 with men of 3rd and less than 2 outs but can't hit his weight the rest of the time in 2019. While I am with you guys for the most part on Odor just wanted to lay out some facts. Because we talk about guys now in the minors who we think will automatically take over in the majors but you never know if they will go the way of an Odor or a Michael Young.
Blalock was an earlier version of Odor. They both were successful products of our system. A lot of the time you can see guys tearing it up in the minors and predict good things. Most of the time those predictions pan out. I think those predictions panned out about Blalock and Odor. It is what comes after that success that determines if they are going to be a Blalock or a Young. That is more of a character issue that no one can predict. You never know how success is going to affect someone.
 

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Not sure what that means but I was just throwing out some facts to show this could be a tough call. He may keep doing well in the minors but does it translate to the MLB level.
I simply meant that management tends to have preconceived ideas. They let numbers either back up those ideas or they tend to ignore the numbers when they don't back up preconceived ideas.
 

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Blalock was an earlier version of Odor. They both were successful products of our system. A lot of the time you can see guys tearing it up in the minors and predict good things. Most of the time those predictions pan out. I think those predictions panned out about Blalock and Odor. It is what comes after that success that determines if they are going to be a Blalock or a Young. That is more of a character issue that no one can predict. You never know how success is going to affect someone.
That is true too but Blalock was good at least with his glove. I think there are intangibles such as having a tough mental makeup and the ability to learn how to improve in the areas of weakness along with the intelligence to adapt.
 

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I simply meant that management tends to have preconceived ideas. They let numbers either back up those ideas or they tend to ignore the numbers when they don't back up preconceived ideas.
Gotcha.
 

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Better way of putting it. I like Castellanos bat but Guzman's glove. Problem with Guzman is he has hit well in the minors. He is a tough call because of his unknown ability to figure it out at the MLB level. He seemed to start figuring it out towards the end as in the last month he hit 305 with an OPS of 863.

I don’t buy into September performances. There is too much bullshit to sift through.

are those hits against teams who are experimenting with junk ballers who won’t be on the opening day roster next year?

has the team Guzman hammered 8+ hits in a September series already mailed it in on their way to 100 losses?

Is the team Guzman did well against resting their ace starters for a playoff push?

Way too much going on then.
 

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I don’t buy into September performances. There is too much bullshit to sift through.

are those hits against teams who are experimenting with junk ballers who won’t be on the opening day roster next year?

has the team Guzman hammered 8+ hits in a September series already mailed it in on their way to 100 losses?

Is the team Guzman did well against resting their ace starters for a playoff push?

Way too much going on then.
All you seem to do is throw out your personal vendetta but no substance because once you have made up your mind you don't buy into anything if the guy improves. You said the same thing about Odor getting hits only against lousy teams and I proved you wrong in 2018 and in 2019 his best average was against Tampa Bay. But most players do worse against top flight pitching unless your a MY or Beltre. But in the end all I am saying is that Guzman is a hard call because he has done well in the minors so we can send him down and he does great then he comes back and maybe stinks. For some it works and other it doesn't but he did improve when they called him back up. They also picked his spots and maybe they need to do that again. It is not always black and white.
 

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I don’t buy into September performances. There is too much bullshit to sift through.

are those hits against teams who are experimenting with junk ballers who won’t be on the opening day roster next year?

has the team Guzman hammered 8+ hits in a September series already mailed it in on their way to 100 losses?

Is the team Guzman did well against resting their ace starters for a playoff push?

Way too much going on then.
I think you are way off base here. September numbers do matter as much as any other month.

The early months can be discounted because there are some bad pitchers still in rotations because they haven't put in enough time to prove how bad they are. Look at the guys we threw out there early last season for example. If you look hard enough you can discount any month.

The opponents do matter. There are stretches of the season where you play lesser opponents than other stretches. Our team did very well in one such stretch last year.
 

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Very interesting. Now with all the teams which made their moves to hire managers has passed, who would they go with? One of the advantages of issuing the punishments this late...all the good candidates are no longer available.
 

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Don't know. Sounds a bit too defensive and he couched his words a bit by saying "I did not know any rules were being broken." That does not absolve him from "knowing" something was afoot.
 

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Very interesting. Now with all the teams which made their moves to hire managers has passed, who would they go with? One of the advantages of issuing the punishments this late...all the good candidates are no longer available.
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If you are tired of it Adam, then learn to ignore it.
 

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If you are tired of it Adam, then learn to ignore it.
Those guys get as bored as we do at this time of the year. Seems like we keep hearing the same story of Rangers leader in pursuit of Castellanos and Cards and Rangers talking with Arenado. LOL!
 

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Now this: 1:30pm: ESPN’s Jeff Passan tweets that while the Rockies and Cardinals have indeed exchanged some names, their talks on Arenado “haven’t gone anywhere” and the exchange of names “hasn’t been productive.”
 

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Why anger is boiling behind the scenes about Astros' sign-stealing punishments

Multiple ownership-level sources told ESPN that dissatisfaction with the penalties had emerged following a conference call with Manfred, in which he explained how the Astros would be disciplined, then told teams to keep their thoughts to themselves.

"The impression," one person familiar with the call told ESPN, "was that the penalty for complaining would be more than Houston got."

The concern over any possible discipline for breaking ranks didn't entirely silence teams. At 12:30 a.m. ET on Tuesday, the Los Angeles Dodgers, who lost the 2017 World Series in seven games to an Astros team that MLB's investigation confirmed cheated during that postseason, released a statement that read: "All clubs have been asked by Major League Baseball not to comment on today's punishment of the Houston Astros as it's inappropriate to comment on discipline imposed on another club. The Dodgers have also been asked not to comment on any wrongdoing during the 2017 World Series and will have no further comment at this time."

Run through a passive-aggressive translator, the Dodgers' words mirrored what a team president had said earlier in the day.

"Crane won," he said. "The entire thing was programmed to protect the future of the franchise. He got his championship. He keeps his team. His fine is nothing. The sport lost, but Crane won."
 
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