WTH is Happening In Stanford

[michaeljordan_fan]

If you truly feel that UW is a top 14 university, tell me which of these schools you believe offers an inferior education:

Princeton
Harvard
Columbia
MIT
Yale
Stanford
Univ. of Chicago
Penn
Northwestern
Duke
Johns Hopkins
Cal Tech
Dartmouth
Brown
Notre Dame
Vanderbilt
Cornell

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

ARWU World University Rankings 2019 | Academic Ranking of World Universities 2019 | Top 1000 universities | Shanghai Ranking - 2019 <--- where does Oregon rank on that list. gtfo with your usual stupid ass bs.

Again, nothing on that ranking has anything to do with the education received by undergraduate students.

 

[Across The Field]

lol

As jjc pointed out...15-20 is likely their ceiling. Just like recruiting with almost any program, things are going to go better some years than others.

Also, a down year in recruiting for a school that lands top 10 recruiting classes is dropping into the 15-20 range. A bad year for Stanford puts them in the 30's, 40's or lower.

Get back to me when they start landing top 10 recruiting classes regularly.

33% of their last 9 classes were higher than 15. They had two classes that were not top 25 this decade and it was because they didn't have enough open slots. Your argument is not being supported by what you are saying.

Also, I won't be able to get back to you when they start landing top 10 recruiting classes because their coach isn't good enough to do it.

 

[trojanfan12]

Should have used him more. He brutalized us this year. Not looking forward to facing him next year.

They would have loved to. But he got hurt. Our running backs were decimated by injuries.

At one point, our running backs were a walk on and Amon Ra St. Brown getting a couple of runs here and there. lol

 

[AlaskaGuy]

If you truly feel that UW is a top 14 university, tell me which of these schools you believe offers an inferior education:

Princeton
Harvard
Columbia
MIT
Yale
Stanford
Univ. of Chicago
Penn
Northwestern
Duke
Johns Hopkins
Cal Tech
Dartmouth
Brown
Notre Dame
Vanderbilt
Cornell

These are the 10 best universities in the world

 

[TheDayMan]

The consultancy calculates its rankings based on a university’s external recognition. The components of the ranking include: total number of alumni and faculty winning major awards; number of highly cited researchers employed; and the number of papers published and cited.


None of that has anything to do with taking undergraduate classes at UW.

So... notable alumni, quality researchers, and actual research put out doesn’t reflect on the quality of education offered?

UW has been among the top public research universities for decades now... but don’t feel bad, we still need places to shoot animal house too.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

These are the 10 best universities in the world

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

 

[trojanfan12]

33% of their last 9 classes were higher than 15. They had two classes that were not top 25 this decade and it was because they didn't have enough open slots. Your argument is not being supported by what you are saying.

So 3 of 9 classes. It's your argument that isn't supported.

How may of tOSU's last 9 classes were lower lower than 15?

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

So... notable alumni, quality researchers, and actual research put out doesn’t reflect on the quality of education offered?

UW has been among the top public research universities for decades now... but don’t feel bad, we still need places to shoot animal house too.

@AlaskaFag is claiming that UW is a top 14 university in the world. I listed 17 universities in the US alone that are vastly better.

 

[Across The Field]

Outside of 2012 they’ve been between 18-20 except for a few years in the 50’s and 60’s.

Like I said, that’s their ceiling.

Except for:
2012: 7th
2014: 13th
2017: 14th

The recruiting restrictions argument is not being upheld. The fact that they're bringing in top 20 for the majority of this decade does not support this theory.

 

[Across The Field]

So 3 of 9 classes. It's your argument that isn't supported.

How may of tOSU's last 9 classes were lower lower than 15?

Stanford isn't OSU, dummy. I never said they were. Are you saying that if not for the supposed academic restrictions, Stanford would be pulling in non-stop top 5 classes?

The whole point of this conversation is that people wrongly believe Stanford is so hamstrung that they can't get the high end recruits. I've demonstrated that just simply isn't true. Out of 130+ FBS schools, they routinely recruit in the top 20, sometimes higher. How does this somehow suggest that it simply must be the academic disadvantages that are holding them back? It doesn't. Maybe if Shaw was a better coach, they could get better recruits and be top 10-15 most years, but he's not.

 

[jjc2009]

Except for:
2012: 7th
2014: 13th
2017: 14th

The recruiting restrictions argument is not being upheld. The fact that they're bringing in top 20 for the majority of this decade does not support this theory.

Where are you getting that? Rivals had them at 17 in 2017.

 

[Across The Field]

Where are you getting that? Rivals had them at 17 in 2017.

I'm getting at the same point I made at the beginning. People act like Stanford simply can't compete because of recruiting restrictions. However they are regularly recruiting at a pretty solid level. They're not at an Ohio State/Clemson/Alabama/Georgia level, but nobody else really is either. However, when you're regularly pulling in top 20 classes overall, the whole "academic restrictions" argument doesn't hold water.

 

[jjc2009]

I'm getting at the same point I made at the beginning. People act like Stanford simply can't compete because of recruiting restrictions. However they are regularly recruiting at a pretty solid level. They're not at an Ohio State/Clemson/Alabama/Georgia level, but nobody else really is either. However, when you're regularly pulling in top 20 classes overall, the whole "academic restrictions" argument doesn't hold water.

I wouldn’t consider top 20 pretty solid. At least if you want championships. Being twice a decade in top 15, which is what they are doing, is undoubtedly a product of their limitations.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

@AlaskaFag is claiming that UW is a top 14 university in the world. I listed 17 universities in the US alone that are vastly better.

You are by far and away one of the biggest retards on this board.

 

[Across The Field]

I wouldn’t consider top 20 pretty solid. At least if you want championships. Being twice a decade in top 15, which is what they are doing, is undoubtedly a product of their limitations.

LOL oh really? Because otherwise kids would just be flocking to go play for a just decent head coach? Fact is, Stanford is a nice program but hardly elite. Yeah, top 20 is solid. That puts your class in the top 15% of all FBS teams. Stanford has Harbaugh to thank for that. Again, there is nothing at all that suggests Stanford's academic standards are costing them all these big-time recruits, and clearly they've pulled in a solid amount of 4/5* kids in recent years. For a program that was a constant doormat just a decade ago, that's definitely solid.

 

[WizardHawk]

The "recruiting restrictions" narrative is so inaccurate. Outside of 2018 when they only had 15 spots available and finished with the 40th best recruiting class, they've had a top 20 nationally ranked recruiting class since 2015. The talent has been there, the coaching just hasn't.

That carrot of a top shelf education is huge for some of their recruiting. They've stolen some really high quality kids UW was in for because of it. Sure, they aren't going to take a true dipship, but when Stanford comes calling and dangling that Stanford degree, they get more than enough talent to be at least competitive in what has been a down Pac12 conference the entire time Shaw has been there.

 

[Across The Field]

That carrot of a top shelf education is huge for some of their recruiting. They've stolen some really high quality kids UW was in for because of it. Sure, they aren't going to take a true dipship, but when Stanford comes calling and dangling that Stanford degree, they get more than enough talent to be at least competitive in what has been a down Pac12 conference the entire time Shaw has been there.

100% agree. They've taken several high-end recruits from other bigger programs. Happens every year. It's just a dumb narrative that doesn't hold up in real life.

 

[WizardHawk]

The big question is, would Stanford ever fire Shaw if this downturn continues? They've never made sports a focus to begin with across the institution and it reflects with their fans. It's the least imposing place to travel to in the conference.

What would it take for them to fire him?

They fired the two HC's between Willingham and Harbaugh, but both had miserable records. Shaw still holds the highest winning percentage since Pop Warner and it would take quite a few losing seasons to get down to a point where he's even at .500.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

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