2019-2020 Official Regular Season Thread

[Shanemansj13]

Some Kevin Love trades (most seem pretty realistic). Not sure about the Minny though lol. These weren't mine, just suggested I saw..

1. Miami receives: Kevin Love

Cleveland receives: James Johnson, Justise Winslow

2. Portland receives: Kevin Love

Cleveland receives: Hassan Whiteside, Nassir Little, Zach Collins

3. Phoenix receives: Kevin Love

Cleveland receives: Tyler Johnson, Mikal Bridges, Dario Saric

4. Sacramento receives: Kevin Love

Cleveland receives: Harrison Barnes, Nemanja Bjelica, Sacramento’s 2020 First-Round Selection

5. Minnesota receives: Kevin Love, Jordan Clarkson

Cleveland receives: Jeff Teague, Gorgui Dieng, Jarett Culver


Looking over, some teams might be giving up too much but I wouldn't mind that Portland trade even if they do have to take back Whiteshit. The Sac trade...I really would want a package with a nice draft pick but not sure how realistic that is when most of the destinations are playoff contenders.

 

[shopson67]

Some Kevin Love trades (most seem pretty realistic). Not sure about the Minny though lol. These weren't mine, just suggested I saw..

1. Miami receives: Kevin Love

Cleveland receives: James Johnson, Justise Winslow

2. Portland receives: Kevin Love

Cleveland receives: Hassan Whiteside, Nassir Little, Zach Collins

3. Phoenix receives: Kevin Love

Cleveland receives: Tyler Johnson, Mikal Bridges, Dario Saric

4. Sacramento receives: Kevin Love

Cleveland receives: Harrison Barnes, Nemanja Bjelica, Sacramento’s 2020 First-Round Selection

5. Minnesota receives: Kevin Love, Jordan Clarkson

Cleveland receives: Jeff Teague, Gorgui Dieng, Jarett Culver


Looking over, some teams might be giving up too much but I wouldn't mind that Portland trade even if they do have to take back Whiteshit. The Sac trade...I really would want a package with a nice draft pick but not sure how realistic that is when most of the destinations are playoff contenders.

I don't see any teams giving up top young talent for Love because of that contract. No Little/Collins, no Bridges, no Culver, etc. Whiteside is a $27M expiring contract; not much sweetener needed there.

 

[dtgold88]

When you say "We are in agreement not many teams COULD deal for Love. But the idea they wouldn't want him is far from a "simple fact"." you are moving the goal post to a generalize statement about Kevin Love. Consider the following.

1. Would teams like to have Kevin Love on their roster?
2. Would teams want to pay Kevin Love 30 million dollars a year for the next 4 years for Kevin Love?

The answer to question 1 is an overwhelming yes. Kevin Love is a good player, borderline All-Star, so of course they would love to have them on their team when judging him as a player.

The answer to question 2, otoh, is far more complicated. While close to all 29 teams would like to have Kevin Love on their team, the number of teams that would be willing to pay him 120 million over 4 years is much much smaller. It goes from 29 teams to maybe 4 or 5. And of those 4 or 5 teams, MAYBE 1 or 2 would be able to trade for him.

So when you make a claim about No. 1 in response to my points about No. 2, you are moving the goalposts. And you are doing it to frame the discussion in a way to maximize the perceived value of Kevin Love.

You might be onto something if not for the fact I made all these claims in my original comments and have never wavered nor changed the subject. You might not agree with my comments and even think they contradict each other but this isn't moving the goal posts.

And you are ignoring the idea that it's only your opinion they would not be willing to pay him. It's my opinion if teams had the space they'd love to add him even at $30 mil.......but no one who would be willing to pay him has the space. That's the issue.

 

[flyerhawk]

You might be onto something if not for the fact I made all these claims in my original comments and have never wavered nor changed the subject. You might not agree with my comments and even think they contradict each other but this isn't moving the goal posts.

And you are ignoring the idea that it's only your opinion they would not be willing to pay him. It's my opinion if teams had the space they'd love to add him even at $30 mil.......but no one who would be willing to pay him has the space. That's the issue.

Which teams do you think would take Love if they could get an exception to the salary cap but would then have to accept his salary constraints for the next 4 years? How many of those teams do you think would be willing to give up assets to do so?

Just asking for your opinion here.

 

[dtgold88]

Which teams do you think would take Love if they could get an exception to the salary cap but would then have to accept his salary constraints for the next 4 years? How many of those teams do you think would be willing to give up assets to do so?

Just asking for your opinion here.

Both LA teams in a second...issue is neither has any assets the cavs would want as they have dealt most of their picks.

Denver, Portland and Boston would also probably love to have him. Milwaukee.

They'd probably all give up assets if they had any the Cavs wanted. Isn't to say they'd give the farm for him.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I don't see any teams giving up top young talent for Love because of that contract. No Little/Collins, no Bridges, no Culver, etc. Whiteside is a $27M expiring contract; not much sweetener needed there.

I could see Portland doing this...they are desperate. I'm not saying they would get Little and Collins...but one could be enough to get this deal done. The Cavs aren't just going to give Love away so basically all the players you listed are the only assets the Cavs would get in a deal except a mid-round pick for SAC. They aren't just giving Love away

 

[shopson67]

I could see Portland doing this...they are desperate. I'm not saying they would get Little and Collins...but one could be enough to get this deal done. The Cavs aren't just going to give Love away so basically all the players you listed are the only assets the Cavs would get in a deal except a mid-round pick for SAC. They aren't just giving Love away

You are invested in this trade, so of course you see getting more. Portland is deep in contract hell, so giving up a big expiring contract for basically an extension of that contract is a very tough decision.

 

[dtgold88]

You are invested in this trade, so of course you see getting more. Portland is deep in contract hell, so giving up a big expiring contract for basically an extension of that contract is a very tough decision.

No doubt, and I don't follow them closely enough to know how badly they'd want a stretch 4. A capable double double guy who can hit 3s...though his shooting this year has not been good so far.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Also wouldn't call Bridges a huge difference-maker in a package for a stretch PF the Suns would really need, considering they can't attract FA very well. He is a young player no doubt but a bench player. I don't necessarily think the Suns are that interested though.

 

[flyerhawk]

Both LA teams in a second...issue is neither has any assets the cavs would want as they have dealt most of their picks.

Denver, Portland and Boston would also probably love to have him. Milwaukee.

They'd probably all give up assets if they had any the Cavs wanted. Isn't to say they'd give the farm for him.

Boston and Portland for sure.

Why would the Lakers want Love? They have the best power forward in basketball. Love would be a huge waste of resources.

The Clippers might want Love but he is also not the ideal fit for them. The Clippers, like the Lakers, need a meaty big that will bang around in the paint.

But ultimately you seem to agree that there are probably only about 4-5 teams that would want Love even if they could get him.

 

[Shanemansj13]

You are invested in this trade, so of course you see getting more. Portland is deep in contract hell, so giving up a big expiring contract for basically an extension of that contract is a very tough decision.

I don't think anyone thinks it wouldn't be a tough decision, but trading Whiteside for Love straight up isn't getting it done...there has to be something else for the Cavs to give away their best player. Love at $30M is WAY better than Whiteside at $27M (even if expiring), especially considering that this upcoming FA class is nothing special and it's not like it's easy for the Blazers to attract FA's. They have to make a trade to get that 3rd option, sooner or later.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Boston and Portland for sure.

Why would the Lakers want Love? They have the best power forward in basketball. Love would be a huge waste of resources.

The Clippers might want Love but he is also not the ideal fit for them. The Clippers, like the Lakers, need a meaty big that will bang around in the paint.

But ultimately you seem to agree that there are probably only about 4-5 teams that would want Love even if they could get him.

The Lakers couldn't get Love, I don't think that is even possible and like you said, not really worth it

 

[Shanemansj13]

You are invested in this trade, so of course you see getting more. Portland is deep in contract hell, so giving up a big expiring contract for basically an extension of that contract is a very tough decision.

Love an All-Star that won a ship as a 3rd option

Whiteside productive but not consistent guy that doesn't help you win and plays bench players minutes.

It is FAR more than just an extension of his contract LOL

 

[dtgold88]

Boston and Portland for sure.

Why would the Lakers want Love? They have the best power forward in basketball. Love would be a huge waste of resources.

The Clippers might want Love but he is also not the ideal fit for them. The Clippers, like the Lakers, need a meaty big that will bang around in the paint.

But ultimately you seem to agree that there are probably only about 4-5 teams that would want Love even if they could get him.

Lebron likes to have shooters, and Love could play center and/or spell AD at PF.

Any team would want a double double guy who can make 3s. When we talk salary, of course, that limits his worth only to contenders. I'm sure there are more teams if we go back to your premise of money not being a hindrance. Could add Miami, Brooklyn, Dallas, Houston.

 

[flyerhawk]

Lebron likes to have shooters, and Love could play center and/or spell AD at PF.

Any team would want a double double guy who can make 3s. When we talk salary, of course, that limits his worth only to contenders. I'm sure there are more teams if we go back to your premise of money not being a hindrance. Could add Miami, Brooklyn, Dallas, Houston.

I said money wasn't a hindrance to acquiring Love. His salary is still a factor going forward. Basically making an assumption that every player had a 30 million dollar contract they could give up.

 

[Sparhawk]

Giannis out tonight vs NOP for load management.
I mean, quad tendon soreness.

 

[DJ]

LOL at Love playing C for the Lakers....

 

[raptorlife4]

 

[tducey]

Kawhi's return to Toronto tonight. Should be a good game. Hope he gets nothing but cheers from the Toronto fans.

 

[dtgold88]

LOL at Love playing C for the Lakers....

Yeah, he's never spent time at center for a championship caliber team.

wait....what?