THE BIG 10 THREAD

[Across The Field]

I'm not sure they have more talent than a program like PSU. It's similar as far as recruiting rankings go. So they have the two losses to them, the five to Ohio State. So that's 7 with what I'd say lesser/equal talent, especially on the road in those PSU games. 2015 MSU went to the playoffs. So that's 8. Sure there are losses where Michigan has had more talent, but it's still tough to play at where they lost. And upsets happen. I'd say probably the only games he should have won that he lost were Iowa in 2016 and MSU in 2017.

Samurai is basically echoing my sentiment. It isn't year 2 anymore. We're closing out year 5, and michigan is dreadfully bad against top 10 teams, can't beat their biggest rival, is barely over .500 against their other two biggest rivals, can't win their division (let alone the conference), and has been embarrassed in bowls for 3 years straight. All of this and all they have to pay him is more than any coach in the entire country but two. He's an embarrassment, and for what? Because he's the prodigal son? A "michigan man"?

How many more years are you willing to put up with this if you're michigan?

 

[kburjr]

Weird stat from Doyle's Power rankings:

"Jim Harbaugh has given up more points in the last two seasons to Ohio State (118) than Bo Schembechler did in the entire Ten Year War (105)."

College Football Power Rankings: Auburn suddenly emerges as the best team in Alabama

 

[7Samurai13]

Samurai is basically echoing my sentiment. It isn't year 2 anymore. We're closing out year 5, and michigan is dreadfully bad against top 10 teams, can't beat their biggest rival, is barely over .500 against their other two biggest rivals, can't win their division (let alone the conference), and has been embarrassed in bowls for 3 years straight. All of this and all they have to pay him is more than any coach in the entire country but two. He's an embarrassment, and for what? Because he's the prodigal son? A "michigan man"?

How many more years are you willing to put up with this if you're michigan?

But Harbaugh was a home run hire so they should put up with him until they can land another home run hire.

 

[Across The Field]

History doesn't mean anything to kids these days. Academics only applies to probably 20% of the players choosing a college. Honestly, having higher academic standards is probably detrimental. The other 4 you listed is the same for 20+ other programs.

In the last 30 years Michigan is 11th in winning percentage. They haven't been a top 5-8 program since Bo, and even he didn't win a title.

So is Michigan going to pay 10/11 million for one of those guys? That'd be absurd given they don't have the track record Harbaugh did when he came to Michigan.

Either way it's a gamble IMO to bring in a new HC. Odds are the new HC will be the same or do worse, given the trajectory of the program.

I don't agree with either of these two sentiments. And no, the other 4 I listed aren't the same for 20+ other programs. There are maybe 10-11 other programs that can match michigan's facilities, and only 3 programs are more profitable - not even Ohio State. michigan is also one of only 4 schools with a contract with Jumpman, and was the first to do it. Tons and tons of schools have Nike, Adidas, Under Armour, etc. That sort of thing should be marketable as all hell.

Let me ask this - if michigan isn't a top 5-8 program, why are they paying a guy top 3 money when he can't get them there? This should have been a big year for them, and to be honest, I think next year is going to be ugly. Like 8-4 or worse ugly. They play at Washington, at Minnesota, and at Ohio State, and have Penn State and Wisconsin at home. I think they go 2-3 against that slate at best. What happens after 2020 if they're coming off yet another 3rd or worse place finish in the division with another 3rd-4th tier bowl game?

 

[Across The Field]

Weird stat from Doyle's Power rankings:

"Jim Harbaugh has given up more points in the last two seasons to Ohio State (118) than Bo Schembechler did in the entire Ten Year War (105)."

College Football Power Rankings: Auburn suddenly emerges as the best team in Alabama

Isn't that crazy? I know it's a new high-octane college football world, but not to that extent.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I don't agree with either of these two sentiments. And no, the other 4 I listed aren't the same for 20+ other programs. There are maybe 10-11 other programs that can match michigan's facilities, and only 3 programs are more profitable - not even Ohio State. michigan is also one of only 4 schools with a contract with Jumpman, and was the first to do it. Tons and tons of schools have Nike, Adidas, Under Armour, etc. That sort of thing should be marketable as all hell.

Let me ask this - if michigan isn't a top 5-8 program, why are they paying a guy top 3 money when he can't get them there? This should have been a big year for them, and to be honest, I think next year is going to be ugly. Like 8-4 or worse ugly. They play at Washington, at Minnesota, and at Ohio State, and have Penn State and Wisconsin at home. I think they go 2-3 against that slate at best. What happens after 2020 if they're coming off yet another 3rd or worse place finish in the division with another 3rd-4th tier bowl game?

new QB with a rebuilt offensive line who were behind a offensive line that was meh to begin with this year......does not bode well for them, especially with Washington, PSU & Wisconsin all being fairly early in the season

 

[ericd7633]

Samurai is basically echoing my sentiment. It isn't year 2 anymore. We're closing out year 5, and michigan is dreadfully bad against top 10 teams, can't beat their biggest rival, is barely over .500 against their other two biggest rivals, can't win their division (let alone the conference), and has been embarrassed in bowls for 3 years straight. All of this and all they have to pay him is more than any coach in the entire country but two. He's an embarrassment, and for what? Because he's the prodigal son? A "michigan man"?

How many more years are you willing to put up with this if you're michigan?

How many teams outside of Bama, Clemson, OSU, LSU, OU and UGA have a good record against top 10 teams? You keep wanting to compare them to the elite programs and they aren't.

 

[ericd7633]

I don't agree with either of these two sentiments. And no, the other 4 I listed aren't the same for 20+ other programs. There are maybe 10-11 other programs that can match michigan's facilities, and only 3 programs are more profitable - not even Ohio State. michigan is also one of only 4 schools with a contract with Jumpman, and was the first to do it. Tons and tons of schools have Nike, Adidas, Under Armour, etc. That sort of thing should be marketable as all hell.

Let me ask this - if michigan isn't a top 5-8 program, why are they paying a guy top 3 money when he can't get them there? This should have been a big year for them, and to be honest, I think next year is going to be ugly. Like 8-4 or worse ugly. They play at Washington, at Minnesota, and at Ohio State, and have Penn State and Wisconsin at home. I think they go 2-3 against that slate at best. What happens after 2020 if they're coming off yet another 3rd or worse place finish in the division with another 3rd-4th tier bowl game?

Kids do not care about which schools make the most money, and that'll be the case until schools can pay for players. Kids care about getting to the NFL, winning and facilities. Michigan can do all those things, just not as well as 8 or so other programs. Every power school had great facilities, for the most part. Michigan is no different than 20 other programs in that regard.

Michigan has to overpay to keep a coach like Harbaugh. And as you mentioned they have a shit load of money, so it's nothing to them.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

"meeeechegan has a better record than everyone in the B10 since Harbaugh came on...except OSU"



You're so full of shit. Seriously just stop your neverending homerism. Harbaugh got to ann arbor in 2015.

Wisconsin's record since 2015: 52-14

Penn State's record since 2015: 48-17

meeeechegan's record since 2015: 47-17

It's not really homerism. I was just using numbers without factoring in this season + not realizing Wisconsin was one of the teams ahead of Harbaugh in terms of winning percentage (harbaugh ranks something like 7th). Either way it's a matter of a few games separating the bunch behind OSU then everyone else

 

[Wamu]

It's not really homerism. I was just using numbers without factoring in this season + not realizing Wisconsin was one of the teams ahead of Harbaugh in terms of winning percentage (harbaugh ranks something like 7th). Either way it's a matter of a few games separating the bunch behind OSU then everyone else

Yes it really is homerism. You were wrong. And you can't even admit it. All you have are excuses. Trying to say you didn't factor this year in when you clearly said otherwise in a different comment.

Comment # 3616. Conference record only since 2015.

-Chryst: 34-10
-Franklin: 32-12
-Jimmy Jam: 32-12

Comment # 3612 (your own words) meeeechegan has a better record than everyone in the B10 since Harbaugh came on...except OSU

That's incorrect. Same for overall record since 2015.

Wisconsin: 52-14
Penn State: 48-17
meeeechegan: 47-17


And you'll stop at nothing to try & over-pimp Harbaugh. This is proof right here.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

How many teams outside of Bama, Clemson, OSU, LSU, OU and UGA have a good record against top 10 teams? You keep wanting to compare them to the elite programs and they aren't.

exactly. I doubt any team outside of a select few has a good or winning record vs. the top 10. We aren't one of the few elite programs right now. We're a good program, consistently finishing top 15, but not elite.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Yes it really is homerism. You were wrong. And you can't even admit it. All you have are excuses.

Comment # 3661. Conference record only since 2015.

-Chryst: 34-10
-Franklin: 32-12
-Jimmy Jam: 32-12

Comment # 3612 (your own words) meeeechegan has a better record than everyone in the B10 since Harbaugh came on...except OSU

That's incorrect. Same for overall record since 2015.

Wisconsin: 52-14
Penn State: 48-17
meeeechegan: 47-17


And you'll stop at nothing to try & over-pimp Harbaugh. This is proof right here.

Right. And your insistence that it's homerism is ridiculous. Harbaugh had a top 7 winning percentage in the country prior to this season. The flip between PSU and Michigan changed by 1 game this year and I just didn't know that Wisconsin was one of the teams ahead in that top 7. The point doesn't change much, there's Ohio State, a group of Michigan, Wisconsin and PSU that are separated by a few games and then a huge leap to the other teams.

 

[PIBuckeye]

Weird stat from Doyle's Power rankings:

"Jim Harbaugh has given up more points in the last two seasons to Ohio State (118) than Bo Schembechler did in the entire Ten Year War (105)."

holy crap.

 

[Wamu]

Right. And your insistence that it's homerism is ridiculous. Harbaugh had a top 7 winning percentage in the country prior to this season. The flip between PSU and Michigan changed by 1 game this year and I just didn't know that Wisconsin was one of the teams ahead in that top 7. The point doesn't change much, there's Ohio State, a group of Michigan, Wisconsin and PSU that are separated by a few games and then a huge leap to the other teams.

Damn are you stubborn. Don't try & change the topic. You said Harbaugh has a better record than everyone else except Ohio State since he took the job in 2015. That's incorrect. Funny how you're ignoring your own outright lie.

 

[PnkPanther]

Paul Chryst also can't beat tOHSU.

I endorse running him and Alvarez out of Wisconsin

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Damn are you stubborn. Don't try & change the topic. You said Harbaugh has a better record than everyone else except Ohio State since he took the job in 2015. That's incorrect. Funny how you're ignoring your own outright lie.

I’m admitting my data is wrong. What is wrong with you? I explained why I said what I said. And since the data was off I modified my statement. Again, what is wrong with you?

 

[PnkPanther]

I'm not inclined to defend captain khaki, but I think some of tOHSU fans here thinking being the best team in B1G is easier than it is.

For the past few years the B1G Landscape has been:

1. tOSHU




2. Wi, PSU, Mi
3. Iowa, MSU
4. everyone else

Probably a bit of oversimplification there. I just want to get into tier 2

 

[Across The Field]

How many teams outside of Bama, Clemson, OSU, LSU, OU and UGA have a good record against top 10 teams? You keep wanting to compare them to the elite programs and they aren't.

I'm not saying he has to have a great record, but you can't be what, 1-10?? As the 3rd highest paid coach??

 

[Across The Field]

Kids do not care about which schools make the most money, and that'll be the case until schools can pay for players. Kids care about getting to the NFL, winning and facilities. Michigan can do all those things, just not as well as 8 or so other programs. Every power school had great facilities, for the most part. Michigan is no different than 20 other programs in that regard.

Michigan has to overpay to keep a coach like Harbaugh. And as you mentioned they have a shit load of money, so it's nothing to them.

Well no shit they don't, but they care about the things that money can get them and do for them at a program. There's a reason schools like Ball State are never going to be contenders outside of maybe a season they catch lightning in a bottle and go like 9-3 and maybe beat a P5. michigan is literally flying these kids around the frickin world and giving them more Jordan brand apparel than they could ever dream of. You telling me kids don't care about that?

Why does michigan have to overpay to keep Harbaugh? Where does it say that, or who says that? Why is Harbaugh the only possible coach who can go to a school like michigan and win 9 games a year and get his shit pushed in by OSU every year? michigan isn't some fledgling program. They're a blue blood who should be regular contenders on the national stage.

 

[kburjr]

Paul Chryst also can't beat tOHSU.

I endorse running him and Alvarez out of Wisconsin

Waiting for Barry to retire.