Post your criteria for the 8 Team Playoff

[ralphiewvu]

Isn’t that what all the major sports leagues do in America?

mall the major sports leagues don’t just play 12 games and have a committee decide who makes it.

 

[ralphiewvu]

The World Champion Washington Nationals were a wildcard ... The 2006 St. Louis Cardinals won their division with an 83-78 record ... and then won the World Series. Anything can happen in the playoffs that is why they are fun to watch.

If a 4 loss team gets in the playoffs ... beat them!!

The issue is them making it in over a 1, 2 or even 3 loss team because of a conference championship. Again I’m not against expanding to 8. But there needs to be stipulations so that teams aren’t penalized for 1 game.

 

[Voltaire26]

Every sport doesn’t have a committee choosing who goes. Almost every sport doesn’t have polls used in them. This isn’t every sport. It makes zero sense to send a 5 loss team to a playoff over 1 and 2 loss teams. That’s exactly what his system does.

If you want to insure you get in win your conference ... after that it's out of your hands.

 

[ralphiewvu]

If you want to insure you get in win your conference ... after that it's out of your hands.

what about the teams that can’t make the conference championship because their division is stacked yet still have a better record, more quality wins and a higher sos? You going to put in a 4 loss conference champ in over them?

 

[outofyourmind]

2012 Wisconsin, 2005 FSU

You going to put in a 4 loss conference champ in over them?

If and when it ever happens, the Committee would have 2 spots remaining to take care of it. Other than that, win your conference. If you can't do that, then you are not the best team in the nation.

 

[DeafOranguntan]

You really are a moron, you know?

Oregon's Conference Rankings for Defensive Categories:
Total Defense: 2nd
Scoring Defense: 2nd
Turnovers Gained: 1st
Passing Yards Allowed: 2nd
Rushing Yards Allowed: 2nd

I think he's ribbing you. That said, why are you giving us the defensive categories for the Pac 12. Who cares if you have a better defense than Arizona State? Oregon has a good defense, but you should give national rankings since that's what we're talking about.

Oregon's National Rankings for Defensive Categories:
Total Defense: 14th
Scoring Defense: 10th
Turnovers Gained: Tied for 12th with 7 other teams
Passing Yards Allowed: 37th
Rushing Yards Allowed: 11th
3rd Down Defense: 35th

 

[kburjr]

what about the teams that can’t make the conference championship because their division is stacked yet still have a better record, more quality wins and a higher sos? You going to put in a 4 loss conference champ in over them?

Yes. Win your conference.

 

[DeafOranguntan]

what about the teams that can’t make the conference championship because their division is stacked yet still have a better record, more quality wins and a higher sos? You going to put in a 4 loss conference champ in over them?

Yes. The playoffs are to determine a national championship. If you can't even win your division, you don't deserve a shot at the national championship. Alabama is a great football team (though significantly worse without Tua), but they had their chance against LSU and lost. That's how it works. If Northwestern had won their division and then beat Ohio State, as the B1G champ, they'd have more of a claim that Bama does.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

I think he's ribbing you. That said, why are you giving us the defensive categories for the Pac 12. Who cares if you have a better defense than Arizona State? Oregon has a good defense, but you should give national rankings since that's what we're talking about.

Oregon's National Rankings for Defensive Categories:
Total Defense: 14th
Scoring Defense: 10th
Turnovers Gained: Tied for 12th with 7 other teams
Passing Yards Allowed: 37th
Rushing Yards Allowed: 11th
3rd Down Defense: 35th

He said in the PAC, not nationally.

 

[ralphiewvu]

If and when it ever happens, the Committee would have 2 spots remaining to take care of it. Other than that, win your conference. If you can't do that, then you are not the best team in the nation.

Your still inviting it to happen. That’s the problem. An those 2 spots might not make up for all the teams this 4 plus loss team would be in over. We’ll use this year, if Virginia Tech (or whomever from the coastal) would beat Clemson in the acc champ game. Under your system 3 loss Virginia Tech would be in over Clemson, maybe a 2 loss Minnesota, the loser of the sec champ game, 1 loss Alabama, a 2 loss Utah/Oregon and a 2 loss OU/Baylor. Does that make any sense?

 

[CJH9972]

Eliminating divisions and pairing top two teams would greatly reduce odds of four loss teams. Also could make it the top 5 or 6 champions rather than P5 automatically get in there even when ranked lower than multiple G5 champs.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Yes. The playoffs are to determine a national championship. If you can't even win your division, you don't deserve a shot at the national championship. Alabama is a great football team (though significantly worse without Tua), but they had their chance against LSU and lost. That's how it works. If Northwestern had won their division and then beat Ohio State, as the B1G champ, they'd have more of a claim that Bama does.

But why? No one on Gods green earth believes NW would beat Bama. You can’t just be giving 4/5 loss teams a chance when they already failed 4 or 5 times before. Scheduling isn’t equal.

 

[outofyourmind]

No one on Gods green earth believes NW would beat Bama.

Well then, lets just go back to final rankings before the bowls and play exhibition Bowl Games.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Yes. Win your conference.

Yes, let’s ignore strength of schedule. Because all schedules are equal

 

[ralphiewvu]

Well then, lets just go back to final rankings before the bowls and play exhibition Bowl Games.

As opposed to giving 4/5 loss teams a chance to win the national championship because they won a game?

 

[WizardHawk]

No, it won't necessarily be the top 8 teams.

1. P5 Conference Champs get in automatically.

2. Highest Ranked G5 team gets a spot.

3. No Conference gets more than 2 teams in.



So, the Committee gets 5 spots taken out of their hands.
They get to decide the 6th spot for the G5 team thru their rankings.
And the last 2 spots, they can do what they want.



Simple.

Tell me how it's all fucked up.

As has been hashed out every offseason (why bring up an offseason thread in season?)...
Simply winning a conference, even P5, shouldn't mean ANYTHING more than you were a better team than the others in that conference. It doesn't equate across conferences because there are so little tie ins.

Twice in the last 6 years the Pac12 champion had 2 losses and it well could have played out one would have had 3.

ANY format that leaves out deserving teams in lieu of a false sense of either ease (not needing a vote) or reward is just ludicrous.

Your format would do away with any pretense of putting the top (#) teams in a playoff to duke it out. Go ahead and rest players, schedule absolutely nothing but hot garbage for OOC since ranking no longer means a thing, and only care about being at least just slightly less shitty than the rest of your division so you keep that shot late.

All of these suggestions would make what is already a watered down regular season and make it far worse under the guise of creating a more exciting playoff and I'm not sure that really is true, more or less worth all you give up.

 

[DeafOranguntan]

Your still inviting it to happen. That’s the problem. An those 2 spots might not make up for all the teams this 4 plus loss team would be in over. We’ll use this year, if Virginia Tech (or whomever from the coastal) would beat Clemson in the acc champ game. Under your system 3 loss Virginia Tech would be in over Clemson, maybe a 2 loss Minnesota, the loser of the sec champ game, 1 loss Alabama, a 2 loss Utah/Oregon and a 2 loss OU/Baylor. Does that make any sense?

I don't have an issue with that. Virginia Tech would have earned it. The difference is all those other teams would be losers. At any rate, 8 teams does help that. This year, the playoff would be something like (assuming we say highest ranked G5 is in):

LSU vs. Cincinatti
Ohio State vs. Florida
Clemson vs. Oklahoma
Oregon/Utah vs. Alabama

If Clemson lost to Virginia Tech, then I suspect Florida would be out and Clemson and Virginia Tech would be in (with LSU likely playing VT). I don't see an issue there. I think we can safely say that the best team in the country is one of those 8.

 

[WizardHawk]

I love that every week this board lives and dies by the rankings and the nerves over what 1 loss can do to shatter season goals.

Bloated playoff would kill that buzz. OD wouldn't be working the scenario village hard for example.

Don't harsh my mellow bro.

 

[ralphiewvu]

I don't have an issue with that. Virginia Tech would have earned it. The difference is all those other teams would be losers. At any rate, 8 teams does help that. This year, the playoff would be something like (assuming we say highest ranked G5 is in):

LSU vs. Cincinatti
Ohio State vs. Florida
Clemson vs. Oklahoma
Oregon/Utah vs. Alabama

If Clemson lost to Virginia Tech, then I suspect Florida would be out and Clemson and Virginia Tech would be in (with LSU likely playing VT). I don't see an issue there. I think we can safely say that the best team in the country is one of those 8.

I see a huge problem with that. VPI doesn’t deserve a chance over a more deserving team like a Florida because they’ve played an absolute dog shit schedule and would have only 1 quality win. It would make zero sense for them to be in over many other teams.

 

[DeafOranguntan]

But why? No one on Gods green earth believes NW would beat Bama. You can’t just be giving 4/5 loss teams a chance when they already failed 4 or 5 times before. Scheduling isn’t equal.

It's not about who do we think would win. It's to make sure we get the most deserving teams in the playoff. Northwestern would likely be thumped by the #1 seed. Fair enough, but Northwestern would have earned a seat at the table. And it makes sure we get the best teams in there. Under the current system, it's theoretically possible that we could have 5 undefeated P5 teams who are all champs and someone get left out. You can also get stuff like a conference champion winning a tough conference championship and then getting left out because Odierno (what the hell does some general know about football?) thinks a team that didn't win its division nevertheless passes the "eye test." If you have 8 teams and take the conference champs and the highest ranked G5 team, you ensure that you're getting the most deserving teams that earned it on the field.