Thursday Night Football: STEELERS/BROWNS

[DutchBird]

Just rewatched the sequence:

1. The ball is barely out of Rudolph's hands when Garret makes contact for the tackle. Less than a single step.
2. Garret spins Rudolph to avoid a roughing, the spin is NOT egregious. It was pretty much a bear hug bringing Rudoph down.

That takes roughing the passer out of the equation.

3. Mason, in response grabs the back of Garret's helmet and tries to rip it off. One of the replay shots actually shows him trying to rip Garret's helmet off by the back and by grabbing the facemask with the other hand.

4. Garret retaliates, ripping Rudolph's helmet off.

5 De Castro and nr 71 (who already were pulling on Garret while Garret and Rudolph were still on the ground at the moment Rudolph was pulling on the back of Garret's helmet) drag Garret away, with De Castro in fact putting himself in between Garret and Rudolph (it is in this process that Rudolph's helmet actually comes off).

6 Rudolph actually charges at Garret, with Garret being pushed back by De Castro. It is at this point that Garret swings the helmet.

7. Pouncey comes in throwing punches, while De Castro holds Garret, and when Garret ends up on the ground (with De Castro on top of him) actually starts to kick Garret, aiming for Garret's head. If he does not connect it is because Cleveland's nr 50's legs are in the way.

Conclusion:

1. Rudolph initiates the whole thing by grabbing at Garret's helmet (n the back, trying to rip it off) first.

2. Rudolph - when Garret is being pushed away and held/restrained by De Castro, actually charges at Garret (who swings the helmet in response).

3. Pouncey (with Garret being held/restrained by De Castro) actually throws punches and tries to kick Garret in the head.

Result:

Both Garret and Pouncey should be suspended at least for the season, and IMHO Pouncy actually longer than Garret.

Rudolp should also be fined and suspended, arguably for as long as Garret.

BTW - I used the NFL Game Pass replay, with the TV slomos.

 

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That’s quite the assumption from a media member with absolutely no info

 

[lebron23james]

WHOA

lol

We have stand your ground in Ohio, so even if this was true all charges would be dropped...

 

[The Derski]

I was watching forged in fire and missed the whole thing

 

[lebron23james]

Just rewatched the sequence:

1. The ball is barely out of Rudolph's hands when Garret makes contact for the tackle. Less than a single step.
2. Garret spins Rudolph to avoid a roughing, the spin is NOT egregious. It was pretty much a bear hug bringing Rudoph down.

That takes roughing the passer out of the equation.

3. Mason, in response grabs the back of Garret's helmet and tries to rip it off. One of the replay shots actually shows him trying to rip Garret's helmet off by the back and by grabbing the facemask with the other hand.

4. Garret retaliates, ripping Rudolph's helmet off.

5 De Castro and nr 71 (who already were pulling on Garret while Garret and Rudolph were still on the ground at the moment Rudolph was pulling on the back of Garret's helmet) drag Garret away, with De Castro in fact putting himself in between Garret and Rudolph (it is in this process that Rudolph's helmet actually comes off).

6 Rudolph actually charges at Garret, with Garret being pushed back by De Castro. It is at this point that Garret swings the helmet.

7. Pouncey comes in throwing punches, while De Castro holds Garret, and when Garret ends up on the ground (with De Castro on top of him) actually starts to kick Garret, aiming for Garret's head. If he does not connect it is because Cleveland's nr 50's legs are in the way.

Conclusion:

1. Rudolph initiates the whole thing by grabbing at Garret's helmet (n the back, trying to rip it off) first.

2. Rudolph - when Garret is being pushed away and held/restrained by De Castro, actually charges at Garret (who swings the helmet in response).

3. Pouncey (with Garret being held/restrained by De Castro) actually throws punches and tries to kick Garret in the head.

Result:

Both Garret and Pouncey should be suspended at least for the season, and IMHO Pouncy actually longer than Garret.

Rudolp should also be fined and suspended, arguably for as long as Garret.

Yep, nice to hear a level headed response from a non crybaby on this site

Exactly what i said. The QB brought it all on himself....I would say 4 games tho for a suspension...The QB actually deserves the longer suspension for instigating the entire event, and then getting owned

 

[Upinthe North]

Just rewatched the sequence:

1. The ball is barely out of Rudolph's hands when Garret makes contact for the tackle. Less than a single step.
2. Garret spins Rudolph to avoid a roughing, the spin is NOT egregious. It was pretty much a bear hug bringing Rudoph down.

That takes roughing the passer out of the equation.

3. Mason, in response grabs the back of Garret's helmet and tries to rip it off. One of the replay shots actually shows him trying to rip Garret's helmet off by the back and by grabbing the facemask with the other hand.

4. Garret retaliates, ripping Rudolph's helmet off.

5 De Castro and nr 71 (who already were pulling on Garret while Garret and Rudolph were still on the ground at the moment Rudolph was pulling on the back of Garret's helmet) drag Garret away, with De Castro in fact putting himself in between Garret and Rudolph (it is in this process that Rudolph's helmet actually comes off).

6 Rudolph actually charges at Garret, with Garret being pushed back by De Castro. It is at this point that Garret swings the helmet.

7. Pouncey comes in throwing punches, while De Castro holds Garret, and when Garret ends up on the ground (with De Castro on top of him) actually starts to kick Garret, aiming for Garret's head. If he does not connect it is because Cleveland's nr 50's legs are in the way.

Conclusion:

1. Rudolph initiates the whole thing by grabbing at Garret's helmet (n the back, trying to rip it off) first.

2. Rudolph - when Garret is being pushed away and held/restrained by De Castro, actually charges at Garret (who swings the helmet in response).

3. Pouncey (with Garret being held/restrained by De Castro) actually throws punches and tries to kick Garret in the head.

Result:

Both Garret and Pouncey should be suspended at least for the season, and IMHO Pouncy actually longer than Garret.

Rudolp should also be fined and suspended, arguably for as long as Garret.

BTW - I used the NFL Game Pass replay, with the TV slomos.

This is what I saw

 

[thedddd]

Geez this is how I feel after reading some of these comments.


Seriously yeah what Rudolph did was wrong and Pouncey will get suspended but defending Garrett because of the actions of others is nonsense.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Exactly why I dont care what you do

Well then good. Carry on.

 

[Cloud]

That shit was wild.

And Cle is dirty.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Just rewatched the sequence:

1. The ball is barely out of Rudolph's hands when Garret makes contact for the tackle. Less than a single step.
2. Garret spins Rudolph to avoid a roughing, the spin is NOT egregious. It was pretty much a bear hug bringing Rudoph down.

That takes roughing the passer out of the equation.

3. Mason, in response grabs the back of Garret's helmet and tries to rip it off. One of the replay shots actually shows him trying to rip Garret's helmet off by the back and by grabbing the facemask with the other hand.

4. Garret retaliates, ripping Rudolph's helmet off.

5 De Castro and nr 71 (who already were pulling on Garret while Garret and Rudolph were still on the ground at the moment Rudolph was pulling on the back of Garret's helmet) drag Garret away, with De Castro in fact putting himself in between Garret and Rudolph (it is in this process that Rudolph's helmet actually comes off).

6 Rudolph actually charges at Garret, with Garret being pushed back by De Castro. It is at this point that Garret swings the helmet.

7. Pouncey comes in throwing punches, while De Castro holds Garret, and when Garret ends up on the ground (with De Castro on top of him) actually starts to kick Garret, aiming for Garret's head. If he does not connect it is because Cleveland's nr 50's legs are in the way.

Conclusion:

1. Rudolph initiates the whole thing by grabbing at Garret's helmet (n the back, trying to rip it off) first.

2. Rudolph - when Garret is being pushed away and held/restrained by De Castro, actually charges at Garret (who swings the helmet in response).

3. Pouncey (with Garret being held/restrained by De Castro) actually throws punches and tries to kick Garret in the head.

Result:

Both Garret and Pouncey should be suspended at least for the season, and IMHO Pouncy actually longer than Garret.

Rudolp should also be fined and suspended, arguably for as long as Garret.

BTW - I used the NFL Game Pass replay, with the TV slomos.

Lol your reasoning was sound until you said Pouncey should be suspended longer. That’s just dumb.

 

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[The Derski]

Garrett is done for the season I would assume.

Also lol at Pouncey for punching and kicking a helmet instead landing body shots.

 

[lebron23james]

Easily shows the QB causing everything...Rudolph the red nose tried it first...WITH help...lol....MG wasn't havin' any of that...

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

That’s quite the assumption from a media member with absolutely no info

She’s been known to pull out the race card atop her soapbox on many occasions

 

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[DutchBird]

Lol your reasoning was sound until you said Pouncey should be suspended longer. That’s just dumb.

Pouncey not only charges and swings at a player who is already defenseless (being held by De Castro), and then (when said player is on the ground) tries to deliberately kick him in the head (whether he actually makes contact is not clear).

So yeah that is two strikes.... and the trying to kick Garret in the head is what pushes it beyond a 'whatever Garret gets' suspension.

 

[Manster7588]

Thank you

You're Welcome

 

[Cloud]

Easily shows the QB causing everything...Rudolph the red nose tried it first...WITH help...lol....MG wasn't havin' any of that...

Scuffles happens. But you don’t rip someone’s helmet off then whacked them over the head with it. At this point it becomes assault.

 

[lebron23james]

Scuffles happens. But you don’t rip someone’s helmet off then whacked them over the head with it. At this point it becomes assault.

Look at what happens tho...He is being forced back by three players including the QB who charged him...He was just defending himself against 3 guys

If those guys never charged him, they don't get hit with the helmet, simple as that

 

[DutchBird]

Scuffles happens. But you don’t rip someone’s helmet off then whacked them over the head with it. At this point it becomes assault.

One could argue actual self defense (ripping the helmet off in response to Rudolph trying to do it first (just not succeeding), and swinging when Rudolph actually charges Garrett.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Pouncey not only charges and swings at a player who is already defenseless (being held by De Castro), and then (when said player is on the ground) tries to deliberately kick him in the head (whether he actually makes contact is not clear).

So yeah that is two strikes.... and the trying to kick Garret in the head is what pushes it beyond a 'whatever Garret gets' suspension.

Yeah, your reaction would certainly be the same if someone swung a helmet at Wentz's head, trying to brain him. GTFO. Like I said before, if someone swung a helmet anywhere near Brady's head, they'd be banned for life.