2019-20 Quest for the cup(The Carter Hart era begins)

[lasgop8]

Remember gudas was traded for Niskanen not AMac. I like gudas but Niskanen is simply better all round. Even if you want to say it's close Braun is a million times better than AMac. The debate that they should have stayed put makes no sense and Vigneault admitted one of the reasons why he even came was because of those exact moves.

Very sloppy game tonight but again they were in it. Last year that would have been 5-1 or something worse. G, Jake, Ghost, JVR, Hayes all struggling for solar reason and they're still in games...good sign.

Braun looked awesome out there again. Scored for Calgary and minus 3 already for this young season

 

[lasgop8]

Did anyone see Jake or the big Puss tonight? Maybe one day we'll learn to dump the puck in and go get it. We again make a so so goalie look spectacular.

Big Puss is a waste of size.

 

[awaz]

Big Puss is a waste of size.

I'm not going to defend him too much right now. He hasn't finished, that's what he's paid to do. But at least he has been getting chances. Jake has mostly just turned the puck over a bunch.

 

[purdue81]

Braun looked awesome out there again. Scored for Calgary and minus 3 already for this young season

and Sandheim got Calgary's other goal.

Last night really reminded me of last year. 5 players on the ice doing their own thing for a lot of the time.

 

[lasgop8]

Also on a side note, I'm truly over the Ghost experiment. Dude is not a defenseman.

Hes not a defenseman and hes plus 2 we have another dman already at minus 3

 

[lasgop8]

I'm not going to defend him too much right now. He hasn't finished, that's what he's paid to do. But at least he has been getting chances. Jake has mostly just turned the puck over a bunch.

If the only part of Jakes game was to go stand in front of the net he would get those chances also. Its almost impossible not to get chances off other players shots when you are just standing there.

 

[lasgop8]

Also to put things in proper perspective, we've beaten 2 struggling teams and lost to 2 younger faster teams. Not a good sign IMO!

100% correct

 

[lasgop8]

Calgary is smaller and lighter, so I hope they're faster. Younger? True (for last night, at least), but I bet when we start Hart and Patrick in place of Elliott and Stewart, you'll find that we're just as young, if not younger. Our overall roster is younger.

It was a pathetic team effort last night, so I'm just going to forget about it and move on. If it happens again tonight, then we have a trend and subsequent issues.

!00% correct that was a terrible team effort

 

[awaz]

If the only part of Jakes game was to go stand in front of the net he would get those chances also. Its almost impossible not to get chances off other players shots when you are just standing there.

They're both paid to bring offense. Neither of them have through 4 games. JvR has been closer to bringing it than Jake has.

 

[lasgop8]

Does our so called run and gun offense supposed to consist of icing the puck 30 times per game?

 

[lasgop8]

They're both paid to bring offense. Neither of them have through 4 games. JvR has been closer to bringing it than Jake has.

Of course JVR is closer to bringing it he doesnt do anything else besides glide around and go to the front of the net.

And why only call out Jake what about Gee who hasnt done anything.

 

[lasgop8]

Carter Hart heads home to Edmonton, where 5-ball juggling prepared him

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Does our so called run and gun offense supposed to consist of icing the puck 30 times per game?

Yes it does because our Dman suck so bad they can't skate it out.

 

[awaz]

Of course JVR is closer to bringing it he doesnt do anything else besides glide around and go to the front of the net.

And why only call out Jake what about Gee who hasnt done anything.

Giroux and JvR lead the team in scoring chances. 14 each. JvR leads in high danger chances for, with 10. I don't understand the argument that JvR is supposed to go to the front of the net so of course he has more chances. If that's where the goals are, they should all be going to the net. If Jake is invisible (7 scoring chances, 1 high danger), then he should get his ass to the net instead of dicking around on the perimeter.

But none of that matters. All the guys mentioned need to be putting up points, not scoring chances. The Flyers are going to be very bad if Giroux, Voracek, Ghost, and JvR combine for 1 point every 4 games. I'm not trying to absolve one or the other, but at least there's some signs of life with Giroux and JvR. Voracek and Ghost look terrible. While that's the case, I'm going to call out Voracek and Ghost to make sure the blame doesn't just get dumped on your favorite whipping boys, Giroux and JvR.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Of course JVR is closer to bringing it he doesnt do anything else besides glide around and go to the front of the net.

And why only call out Jake what about Gee who hasnt done anything.

I think Gee needs some new line mates, he needs to be with Koneckny and Coots.

 

[awaz]

Chris Stewart, who is actively terrible and has only played 9 minutes, has the same number of scoring chances as Ghost.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Giroux and JvR lead the team in scoring chances. 14 each. JvR leads in high danger chances for, with 10. I don't understand the argument that JvR is supposed to go to the front of the net so of course he has more chances. If that's where the goals are, they should all be going to the net. If Jake is invisible (7 scoring chances, 1 high danger), then he should get his ass to the net instead of dicking around on the perimeter.

But none of that matters. All the guys mentioned need to be putting up points, not scoring chances. The Flyers are going to be very bad if Giroux, Voracek, Ghost, and JvR combine for 1 point every 4 games. I'm not trying to absolve one or the other, but at least there's some signs of life with Giroux and JvR. Voracek and Ghost look terrible. While that's the case, I'm going to call out Voracek and Ghost to make sure the blame doesn't just get dumped on your favorite whipping boys, Giroux and JvR.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Yes call out Jake and Ghost, I did. Also not knocking your post, but how many of those JVR chances were on the PP? Just curious if it says.

 

[awaz]

Yes call out Jake and Ghost, I did. Also not knocking your post, but how many of those JVR chances were on the PP? Just curious if it says.

7 chances on the PP for JvR, all high danger ones.

Looking at top 3 even strength
1. Couturier 11 chances / 5 high danger
2. Giroux 11 / 4
3. Lindblom 10/ 4

 

[lasgop8]

Giroux and JvR lead the team in scoring chances. 14 each. JvR leads in high danger chances for, with 10. I don't understand the argument that JvR is supposed to go to the front of the net so of course he has more chances. If that's where the goals are, they should all be going to the net. If Jake is invisible (7 scoring chances, 1 high danger), then he should get his ass to the net instead of dicking around on the perimeter.

But none of that matters. All the guys mentioned need to be putting up points, not scoring chances. The Flyers are going to be very bad if Giroux, Voracek, Ghost, and JvR combine for 1 point every 4 games. I'm not trying to absolve one or the other, but at least there's some signs of life with Giroux and JvR. Voracek and Ghost look terrible. While that's the case, I'm going to call out Voracek and Ghost to make sure the blame doesn't just get dumped on your favorite whipping boys, Giroux and JvR.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

So with all of this back and forth we can go back to my original post that you commented on where you started bringing up Jake. "JVR is a waste of size."

 

[Chris p Bacon]

7 chances on the PP for JvR, all high danger ones.

Looking at top 3 even strength
1. Couturier 11 chances / 5 high danger
2. Giroux 11 / 4
3. Lindblom 10/ 4

Ok, so it's still early, hopecAV See's that his only line combo that is working is Coots line, I think Gee needs more speed on his line for sure.

 

[lasgop8]

7 chances on the PP for JvR, all high danger ones.

Looking at top 3 even strength
1. Couturier 11 chances / 5 high danger
2. Giroux 11 / 4
3. Lindblom 10/ 4

There is no other place for him to be in except the danger zone because that's the only place he is on the ice.