2019 Offseason Thread

[shopson67]

yeah, that fellow with the brow thing seemed to do ok...

Two weeks until the games that count...can't get here fast enough!!!

 

[shopson67]

split hairs? seriously, you cannot see a difference in how this game went down compared to the Tennessee game? One in doubt into the 4th. The other decided before halftime (maybe before the 2nd quarter).

Disagree?

It's the timing of Baker's turnovers. He started early last night.

 

[dtgold88]

Bills have Miami x2, Denver, Skins, Jets left too. They also finally gave up on Zay Jones (shipped off to Oakland for a '21 5th) and will use Duke Williams (TD this week in his first NFL start) and Robert Foster (last year's breakout WR for the Bills) once he's healthy.

First half Bills will have played Washington, Cinci, Giants and Miami. All 4 could be considered among the worst defenses in NFL. Already played Cinci and Giants. Browns play no such teams in first half. closest is Bmore who has a weak pass defense.

We'll see how it plays out.

 

[Wamu]

Lakers looking pretty damn good vs the Warriors this past weekend...

Well I hope they win the preseason championship & nothing else.


Ain't that right @ChiefsLakers67 & @trojanfan12?

 

[dtgold88]

Teddy is a backup, nothing more and he will never be more. Baker is basically a rookie (17 games in) but people are calling him trash bc of the last couple games hahaha. Hard to compare a guy that has done nothing in his career and sat behind veterans to a rookie.

The media is feeding these people game to game...we heard it last week, "Baker is back, great game". Now after this game, "He sucks, he shouldn't be starting". He is young, he is going to make mistakes.
Peyton threw 28 interceptions in his first 16 games AND his team only allowed 22 sacks all season.
Baker threw 19 interceptions through his first 16 games and the OL allowed 36 sacks in those games.
The media is going to stir up Baker and Browns and they should bc it's a story but as Browns fans we knew this was a process...harder than I expected but it will take time. We will see what this team has in the next 2 games and probably the two toughest games of the season.

And will agree the perception by many Baker is a D doesn't help....and I don't disagree with that assessment of him.

 

[dtgold88]

It's the timing of Baker's turnovers. He started early last night.

OK, but not sure what this has to do with my comment. Pretty clear last night was over early. Tennessee game was not. Not really even debatable.

 

[dtgold88]

Well I hope they win the preseason championship & nothing else.


Ain't that right @ChiefsLakers67 & @trojanfan12?

Cavs still in the running.....don't count us out yet.

 

[Black Adam]

Well I hope they win the preseason championship & nothing else.


Ain't that right @ChiefsLakers67 & @trojanfan12?

going to be at Figueroa Street for the preseason title parade...

wanna come...?

 

[dtgold88]

end result in both cases, STEAMROLLED...

so yes, i obviously do...

Not really debatable yet you still disagree? The game was still in doubt into 4th against Tennessee. Not so much against SF.

But keep fighting the good fight my friend.

 

[dtgold88]

Part of those sack totals comes down to awareness and throwing the ball away, agreed?

Baker makes himself a target, as did the media by exaggerating the expectations for this team. At least Baker didn't come out and call them the new Dream Team, lol.....(hey, Eagles fans!)

Part of it? sure....but part of it is also allowing a guy released by 2 teams to be his LT and replacing a very good to elite RG with Eric Kush after Corbett failed.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Part of those sack totals comes down to awareness and throwing the ball away, agreed?

Baker makes himself a target, as did the media by exaggerating the expectations for this team. At least Baker didn't come out and call them the new Dream Team, lol.....(hey, Eagles fans!)

Yes there have been some instances where is scrambling right prematurely but watching all 5 games the OL is the main issue. Does he need to get better deal with pressure, of course. Watching last night he had no choice when the OL is collapsing from both sides, it happened all night.
But even more than the OL, the playcalling needs to be better. Kitchens did a great job in the Baltimore game at giving him quick reads, for the most part he hasn't done that and it's frustrating.

And yes Baker said they were talented but he wasn't saying anything that everyone else didn't know. 2-3 and they are shitting the bed, a little exaggerated. The first half of the season was going to be a struggle, but tbh I didn't think this OL would be that bad.

 

[Wamu]

Cavs still in the running.....don't count us out yet.

Too late.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Part of it? sure....but part of it is also allowing a guy released by 2 teams to be his LT and replacing a very good to elite RG with Eric Kush after Corbett failed.

Robinson doesn't look the same as last year, not surprised but weird how he can be so good for 8 games or so and now so bad. I think the OL is terrible on the outside, not so bad no the inside. I think the guards have done a decent job but at times it looks like the whole OL is getting dominated..not sure one player can make that big of a difference but it would have helped!

 

[Black Adam]

Not really debatable yet you still disagree? The game was still in doubt into 4th against Tennessee. Not so much against SF.

But keep fighting the good fight my friend.

clearly it IS "debatable"...

you can argue the length of the beating all you like. bottom line is the end result...

#thanksforplaying

 

[shopson67]

OK, but not sure what this has to do with my comment. Pretty clear last night was over early. Tennessee game was not. Not really even debatable.

Sure, but the timing of those turnovers had a lot to do with that game being over quickly (along with defensive failures).

 

[shopson67]

Part of it? sure....but part of it is also allowing a guy released by 2 teams to be his LT and replacing a very good to elite RG with Eric Kush after Corbett failed.

Maybe overspending on WRs and surplus RBs instead of the line wasn't so smart?

 

[Black Adam]

Yes there have been some instances where is scrambling right prematurely but watching all 5 games the OL is the main issue. Does he need to get better deal with pressure, of course. Watching last night he had no choice when the OL is collapsing from both sides, it happened all night.
But even more than the OL, the playcalling needs to be better. Kitchens did a great job in the Baltimore game at giving him quick reads, for the most part he hasn't done that and it's frustrating.

And yes Baker said they were talented but he wasn't saying anything that everyone else didn't know. 2-3 and they are shitting the bed, a little exaggerated. The first half of the season was going to be a struggle, but tbh I didn't think this OL would be that bad.

have to agree. at times the 9ers crushed that Oline in like an old beer can...

 

[bksballer89]

You get NO is pretty good, right? And Tampa's D is not?

I can sit here and tell you as a rookie TB passed for 16 TDs and 14 INTs while Baker took over an 0-16 team and had 27-14.

I can sit here and tell you TB has broken 200 yards once in 4 games. Was awful in his first game (a loss) and put up zero TDs in one of their wins. He's a game manager.

Has Baker been a top 20 QB through the first 5 games.

Yes or no?

It is a simple question I'm asking. Let's stop beating around the bushes

 

[shopson67]

Yes there have been some instances where is scrambling right prematurely but watching all 5 games the OL is the main issue. Does he need to get better deal with pressure, of course. Watching last night he had no choice when the OL is collapsing from both sides, it happened all night.
But even more than the OL, the playcalling needs to be better. Kitchens did a great job in the Baltimore game at giving him quick reads, for the most part he hasn't done that and it's frustrating.

And yes Baker said they were talented but he wasn't saying anything that everyone else didn't know. 2-3 and they are shitting the bed, a little exaggerated. The first half of the season was going to be a struggle, but tbh I didn't think this OL would be that bad.

The OL is problematic, but QBs only have so much time anyway. The Browns have an elite slot guy in Landry, they need to use him as such. Landry played on some terrible teams in Miami, yet put up huge catch totals on quick slants and crossing routes. Teams can scheme against those quick reads, especially since that seems to be the book on Baker right now. Force him to a 2nd or 3rd read and reap the benefits (or collapse the pocket as he tries to get to his 2nd or 3rd read).

 

[shopson67]

Cavs still in the running.....don't count us out yet.

Cavs season won't be evaluated by wins, remember?