"Zeke Who" says Jerry Jones

[fordman84]

He has all the leverage from a monetary perspective. The only way Zeke can even begin to believe he has some kind of leverage if he is willing to lose money and so far it appears that he is willing to do so. I think a lot of that has to do with the Cowboys history of dealing with running backs. I saw earlier today that under Jerry Jones the Cowboys have only given 2 running backs second contracts and they were Emmitt Smith and Marion Barber. Zeke is more than likely not willing the Cowboys to do right by him.

Yes he is under contract and I understand the argument that he should honor the contract. The problem with all of that for me is the owners don't have to honor contracts and people think that is just fine.

Bold is wrong. They do honor the contract or they would get sued. How do you philly fans not get this? The owners 100% abide by the terms of the contract that all parties (meaning the player as well) agree to.

 

[GNG]

He has all the leverage from a monetary perspective. The only way Zeke can even begin to believe he has some kind of leverage if he is willing to lose money and so far it appears that he is willing to do so. I think a lot of that has to do with the Cowboys history of dealing with running backs. I saw earlier today that under Jerry Jones the Cowboys have only given 2 running backs second contracts and they were Emmitt Smith and Marion Barber. Zeke is more than likely not willing the Cowboys to do right by him.

Yes he is under contract and I understand the argument that he should honor the contract. The problem with all of that for me is the owners don't have to honor contracts and people think that is just fine.

Yes, the NFL holds most of the cards and the players should live up to terms of their contract. Zeke will only hurt himself by holding out.

 

[GNG]

RB's are not as in demand as in past years because the NFL is a pass-happy league. Also, RB's have a short shelf life with the exception of a few like Adrian Peterson.

 

[PhillyGreen]

Bold is wrong. They do honor the contract or they would get sued. How do you philly fans not get this? The owners 100% abide by the terms of the contract that all parties (meaning the player as well) agree to.

So when Dez Bryant lost a step and the Cowboys cut him for not wanting to take a pay cut that was honoring the contract?

 

[Schmoopy1000]

So when Dez Bryant lost a step and the Cowboys cut him for not wanting to take a pay cut that was honoring the contract?

technically yes. he didnt play up to his contract.
If I were brought in to do something for a company & I was failing to do so. I could be fired.

Let me ask you another way.
Did the Cowboys illegally cut Dez?

 

[Pure Steel]

technically yes. he didnt play up to his contract.
If I were brought in to do something for a company & I was failing to do so. I could be fired.

Let me ask you another way.
Did the Cowboys illegally cut Dez?

Cowboys made a huge mistake cutting him, he'll show them......

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Again, if an owner didn't honor the terms of a contract he would be sued in a heartbeat.

If the contract allows it to be ended early and has non-guaranteed money and the player signs it, that is NOT failing to honor the contract.

Yes this is true but it still seems completely fair to me.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

You are stupid if you think that other players are with him. The teams best chance of the SB is with him and he is telling them to fuck off unless he gets more than he signed for.

They all know it’s a business and the goal is to get paid.

 

[PhillyGreen]

technically yes. he didnt play up to his contract.
If I were brought in to do something for a company & I was failing to do so. I could be fired.

Let me ask you another way.
Did the Cowboys illegally cut Dez?

No and I never said they did. I am well awart and understand that the owners can cut a player at any time for any reason. I will not dispute that.

Here is the thing though. It has already been pointed out that a player has the right to not show up and the team has the right to fine them for doing it. There is nothing in the CBA that gives the owner the right to force a player to show. They only thing they can do is fine them. They cannot discipline in any fashion for not showing. It is an option the team can choose not to do and in the case my understanding is the Cowboys are not fining him.

Per the rules an player only has to play 6 games to accrue a season. That means they can legally miss 10 game and it not affect their standing. What it will cost them is money and that is their choice. You will not find many players doing this because it can cost them a ton of money. I would not fault the Cowboys if they forced him to honor his contract and franchise tagged him for two years. It is their right to do so. However Zeke also has the right no not show up for work if he chooses. The Cowboys only options are to fine him or fire him.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

No and I never said they did. I am well awart and understand that the owners can cut a player at any time for any reason. I will not dispute that.

Here is the thing though. It has already been pointed out that a player has the right to not show up and the team has the right to fine them for doing it. There is nothing in the CBA that gives the owner the right to force a player to show. They only thing they can do is fine them. They cannot discipline in any fashion for not showing. It is an option the team can choose not to do and in the case my understanding is the Cowboys are not fining him.

Per the rules an player only has to play 6 games to accrue a season. That means they can legally miss 10 game and it not affect their standing. What it will cost them is money and that is their choice. You will not find many players doing this because it can cost them a ton of money. I would not fault the Cowboys if they forced him to honor his contract and franchise tagged him for two years. It is their right to do so. However Zeke also has the right no not show up for work if he chooses. The Cowboys only options are to fine him or fire him.

all this is correct. I was merely answering your question of honoring the contract.
BTW the 6 games comment is only for salary purposes. he already gave up this year to accrue for his 4th year of FA, so next year he wont have his 4 years accrued. So if he does the same thing in his 5th year (wait ten games, hold out, etc) He still wont be a FA even after the contract. he has no legs to stand on.

Him missing the deadline this year tells me. He is motivated to get a deal signed with the Cowboys. So that lost year to FA wont matter. if his agent tells him to hold out into the season. He should get a new agent.

 

[PhillyGreen]

all this is correct. I was merely answering your question of honoring the contract.
BTW the 6 games comment is only for salary purposes. he already gave up this year to accrue for his 4th year of FA, so next year he wont have his 4 years accrued. So if he does the same thing in his 5th year (wait ten games, hold out, etc) He still wont be a FA even after the contract. he has no legs to stand on.

Him missing the deadline this year tells me. He is motivated to get a deal signed with the Cowboys. So that lost year to FA wont matter. if his agent tells him to hold out into the season. He should get a new agent.

You are correct.....I forgot about that. I think that has to do with the rookie deal. He had to report before August 6th to accrue a season.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

He keeps saying that over and over again. Stupid fuck don't get it. If the owners renege they get sued. Ain't gonna happen as the owners always honor contracts.

You are talking about what’s legal, I’m talking about what’s fair.

 

[fordman84]

So when Dez Bryant lost a step and the Cowboys cut him for not wanting to take a pay cut that was honoring the contract?

Yes, they were allowed via the contract to not pick up the remaining years. He was paid everything he was guaranteed.

 

[fordman84]

No and I never said they did. I am well awart and understand that the owners can cut a player at any time for any reason. I will not dispute that.

Here is the thing though. It has already been pointed out that a player has the right to not show up and the team has the right to fine them for doing it. There is nothing in the CBA that gives the owner the right to force a player to show. They only thing they can do is fine them. They cannot discipline in any fashion for not showing. It is an option the team can choose not to do and in the case my understanding is the Cowboys are not fining him.

Per the rules an player only has to play 6 games to accrue a season. That means they can legally miss 10 game and it not affect their standing. What it will cost them is money and that is their choice. You will not find many players doing this because it can cost them a ton of money. I would not fault the Cowboys if they forced him to honor his contract and franchise tagged him for two years. It is their right to do so. However Zeke also has the right no not show up for work if he chooses. The Cowboys only options are to fine him or fire him.

his contract says he will play for the amount agreed upon. The CBA, a differnt contract, governs the actions a team can take when the contract is not adhered to. The actual player contract says he will play for the money and time agreed upon.

It is different than the team not picking up non-guaranteed years. That is also agreed upon by the player when he signs. Apples and oranges vs a holdout. One abides by the terms of the contract.

 

[GNG]

So when Dez Bryant lost a step and the Cowboys cut him for not wanting to take a pay cut that was honoring the contract?

He had the option of accepting it or not.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

But if you hire an employee and he don't work unless he gets paid more than he signed up for, then the employer just has to suck it up? Fuck that. Call out the employee for his antics, not the employers.

More like if I hired an employee that came up with an idea that made me millions and millions and millions and he asks for a raise cause he made me super rich.

 

[PhillyGreen]

He had the option of accepting it or not.

That is not honoring the contract. He had a deal with the Cowboys for X amount of dollars. The Cowboys cut him instead of honoring that deal.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

That is not honoring the contract. He had a deal with the Cowboys for X amount of dollars. The Cowboys cut him instead of honoring that deal.

it is honoring the deal.
per whatever stipulations of the contract.
He understood if you dont play to a certain level being cut (fired) is an option. Something he accepted when he signed the deal.

 

[Montalban]

That may be the case but it does not say they cannot do it either. The key thing here is the player does not have to show up and he knows that by not doing so can result in fines and of course no salary either. The best players in the league can use this to their advantage if they do not want to be overused like Zeke is. A player can sit out 10 games accepting all the fines and no salary and then play only 6 games to accrue a full season. In other words if we are being technical about it a player only has to play 6 games to fulfill their contract.

That wouldn't work with me. I'd suspend him the final six games for conduct detrimental if he tried to come back. Sorry, but the bolded sentence is ludicrous.

 

[PhillyGreen]

That wouldn't work with me. I'd suspend him the final six games for conduct detrimental if he tried to come back. Sorry, but the bolded sentence is ludicrous.

The CBA does not allow the team to discipline a player for doing this. Their only option is a fine. They can't do anything else.