Colorado's new HC wants the PAC-12 to pussify their scheduling

[The Oldtimer]

Th FCS schools will not allow it.

That was tried before in an underhanded way. Schools could only count a win vs an FCS school for
bowl eligibility only once every two years.

The FCS schools raised hell about that. FCS schools are DIVISION 1 in all sports except football.
They get an equal vote at all NCAA meetings. The P5 would get voted down on everything that they wanted
to do. Forget the P5's breaking away from the NCAA, because that ain't gonna happen.

The FCS/Mid Majors already have one big win over the P5 schools in basketball, by pooling their vote.

When the NCAA expanded the playoff field to 4 play-in games. The NCAA's first suggestion was to have
8 small mid-major leagues play-in for the 4 16th seeds. The smaller schools voted that down and countered
with having 4 play-in games for the 12th seeds. They compromised and the First Four in Dayton plays for
2 16 seeds and 2 12 seeds.

You are not going to be able to get away from scheduling those people.

USC, UCLA and Notre Dame has never played a FCS team.

 

[jon2tanman]

Attendance Rankings: Five-Year Average

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2017.pdf

NCAA Statistics

 

[Rolltide94]

The last time FSU played a west coast team ...

LOL, do you really want to go there? Your last win over a ranked P5 opponent during the regular season was 3 days before 9-11, There are students at Washington today who were not alive when Washington last beat a ranked P5 OOC opponent in the regular season....

Hell, what was the last P5 opponent you beat in the regular season that was even over .500.

Here are your last 7 P5 regular season wins:

30-14 over 4-8 Rutgers
48-13 over 2-10 Rutgers
44-19 over 6-7 Illinois
34-24 over 4-8 Illinois
41-20 over 8-5 Syracuse....2010
42-12 over 2-10 Syracuse
38-13 over 2-10 Indiana

That goes back to 2001, and the previously mentioned 9-11 game, lol, 7 wins in 17 years over opponents that were a combined 28-58, lol.

You have however amassed quite a collection of ranked P5 opponents who have eaten your lunch during the regular season...Auburn, LSU, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Nebraska...

No wonder you are advocating for playing more conference opponents...you guys act all tough, like you're the senior captain on the football team, but the reality is you're getting rolled for your lunch money by any old 6th grader with pubes.

Apparently the real pussification of your schedule is adding Washington to it...unless you're a 2-10 B1G team...

 

[AlaskaGuy]

LOL, do you really want to go there? Your last win over a ranked P5 opponent during the regular season was 3 days before 9-11, There are students at Washington today who were not alive when Washington last beat a ranked P5 OOC opponent in the regular season....

Hell, what was the last P5 opponent you beat in the regular season that was even over .500.

Here are your last 7 P5 regular season wins:

30-14 over 4-8 Rutgers
48-13 over 2-10 Rutgers
44-19 over 6-7 Illinois
34-24 over 4-8 Illinois
41-20 over 8-5 Syracuse....2010
42-12 over 2-10 Syracuse
38-13 over 2-10 Indiana

That goes back to 2001, and the previously mentioned 9-11 game, lol, 7 wins in 17 years over opponents that were a combined 28-58, lol.

You have however amassed quite a collection of ranked P5 opponents who have eaten your lunch during the regular season...Auburn, LSU, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Nebraska...

No wonder you are advocating for playing more conference opponents...you guys act all tough, like you're the senior captain on the football team, but the reality is you're getting rolled for your lunch money by any old 6th grader with pubes.

Apparently the real pussification of your schedule is adding Washington to it...unless you're a 2-10 B1G team...

How does any of that explain that southern teams lack the testosterone to play their own conference members.

 

[Sgt Brutus]

Weed boosts estrogen levels, no surprise Boulder has turned into a soft safe space

 

[ralphiewvu]

Th FCS schools will not allow it.

That was tried before in an underhanded way. Schools could only count a win vs an FCS school for
bowl eligibility only once every two years.

The FCS schools raised hell about that. FCS schools are DIVISION 1 in all sports except football.
They get an equal vote at all NCAA meetings. The P5 would get voted down on everything that they wanted
to do. Forget the P5's breaking away from the NCAA, because that ain't gonna happen.

The FCS/Mid Majors already have one big win over the P5 schools in basketball, by pooling their vote.

When the NCAA expanded the playoff field to 4 play-in games. The NCAA's first suggestion was to have
8 small mid-major leagues play-in for the 4 16th seeds. The smaller schools voted that down and countered
with having 4 play-in games for the 12th seeds. They compromised and the First Four in Dayton plays for
2 16 seeds and 2 12 seeds.

You are not going to be able to get away from scheduling those people.

If P5 conferences ever broke away from the NCAA and and those mid majors it very well could happen. But even barring that, a conference can easily make a rule stating all their teams can’t schedule FCS opponents. I believe the B10 already did. Not sure if that started yet. But the mid majors and and FCS teams don’t get a vote in that. They have no say in “allowing it.”

 

[7Samurai13]

If P5 conferences ever broke away from the NCAA and and those mid majors it very well could happen. But even barring that, a conference can easily make a rule stating all their teams can’t schedule FCS opponents. I believe the B10 already did. Not sure if that started yet. But the mid majors and and FCS teams don’t get a vote in that. They have no say in “allowing it.”

The B1G basically frowns upon scheduling FCS opponents and put rules in place on when they would prefer you schedule them. Basically it’s when you have a four home game conference schedule or when someone drops last second. There is no punishment for scheduling one though.

 

[ralphiewvu]

The B1G basically frowns upon scheduling FCS opponents and put rules in place on when they would prefer you schedule them. Basically it’s when you have a four home game conference schedule or when someone drops last second. There is no punishment for scheduling one though.

USEFUL (because that rating was deemed inappropriate lol)

 

[Across The Field]

USEFUL (because that rating was deemed inappropriate lol)

That rating hasn't been in the CFB board for years.

 

[Gatorchip]

I doubt the PAC wants as difficult schedules as the SEC. Pretty sure he means he wants the PAC to have even weaker ones now.

 

[Gatorchip]

Unlike the pseudo conferences, PAC teams have a history with each other. We actually look forward to playing our conference members.

It also keeps those schedules soft.

Congrats to the Huskies on finally having a respectable SOS last season. They normally hover in the 50's.

Teams that had an even tougher SOS, than Washington last season, were members of the following conferences:
SEC - 6 Teams
B1G – 3 Teams
B12- 2 Teams
ACC - 1 Team
PAC - 1 Team

 

[Kaplony]

If P5 conferences ever broke away from the NCAA and and those mid majors it very well could happen. But even barring that, a conference can easily make a rule stating all their teams can’t schedule FCS opponents. I believe the B10 already did. Not sure if that started yet. But the mid majors and and FCS teams don’t get a vote in that. They have no say in “allowing it.”

Several South Carolina legislators proposed making it state law that Clemson and South Carolina play the in-state schools when the rule changed to allow one FCS game to count towards bowl eligibility in order to keep the guarantee money in the state of South Carolina instead of it going to schools elsewhere. Both schools agreed to play the instate schools to prevent the legislature from getting involved in scheduling, but if the ACC and/or SEC were to adopt it I have no doubt that the law would be passed and last time I checked state law supersedes any conference rule. And I would imagine that once one state adopts the law others would quickly follow to protect their in-state schools.

 

[Kaplony]

LOL, do you really want to go there? Your last win over a ranked P5 opponent during the regular season was 3 days before 9-11, There are students at Washington today who were not alive when Washington last beat a ranked P5 OOC opponent in the regular season....

Hell, what was the last P5 opponent you beat in the regular season that was even over .500.

Here are your last 7 P5 regular season wins:

30-14 over 4-8 Rutgers
48-13 over 2-10 Rutgers
44-19 over 6-7 Illinois
34-24 over 4-8 Illinois
41-20 over 8-5 Syracuse....2010
42-12 over 2-10 Syracuse
38-13 over 2-10 Indiana

That goes back to 2001, and the previously mentioned 9-11 game, lol, 7 wins in 17 years over opponents that were a combined 28-58, lol.

You have however amassed quite a collection of ranked P5 opponents who have eaten your lunch during the regular season...Auburn, LSU, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Nebraska...

No wonder you are advocating for playing more conference opponents...you guys act all tough, like you're the senior captain on the football team, but the reality is you're getting rolled for your lunch money by any old 6th grader with pubes.

Apparently the real pussification of your schedule is adding Washington to it...unless you're a 2-10 B1G team...

Damn. You have to get to the third game to surpass the win total of either of our P5 OOC wins last year. Not only do they play in a tomato can conference they play a tomato can OOC as well.

 

[Olyduck]

So what you are saying is you can’t say they don’t play almost when in fact they actually play over half.

arguing 2 different points with 2 different statements

 

[Olyduck]

And that record belongs to Tennessee vs Virginia Tech by a mile.

see what had happened was someone asked Utah fans how they felt about their scheduling because Utah doesnt generally schedule big fish because they have BYU every year. but when they didnt they scheduled Michigan. and when Michigan came to Utah, the UTAH ATTENDANCE record was set.
had you read the other statements you would see that he was refering to UTAH's attendance record for nonconference games.

 

[Olyduck]

Attendance Rankings: Five-Year Average

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2017.pdf

NCAA Statistics

pure numbers give a skewed picture
if a smaller stadium sells out at 105% every game but only holds 3/4 of a larger stadium that only sells at 90%
Larger stadium actual attendance is still going to be higher but they didnt sell out

 

[batchaps4me]

see what had happened was someone asked Utah fans how they felt about their scheduling because Utah doesnt generally schedule big fish because they have BYU every year. but when they didnt they scheduled Michigan. and when Michigan came to Utah, the UTAH ATTENDANCE record was set.
had you read the other statements you would see that he was refering to UTAH's attendance record for nonconference games.

In another thread, I wrote this earlier to MaizeandBlue but it applies to you and especially @PSUTE as well:

BTW, I was going into full asshole troll mode yesterday … I never reach my potential … and you handled it with class. In lieu of an apology, let me say ***********.

 

[NolePride]

If P5 conferences ever broke away from the NCAA and and those mid majors it very well could happen. But even barring that, a conference can easily make a rule stating all their teams can’t schedule FCS opponents. I believe the B10 already did. Not sure if that started yet. But the mid majors and and FCS teams don’t get a vote in that. They have no say in “allowing it.”

I believe the Big10 "recommended" that none of their members play a 1-AA.

4 Big10 teams play 4 1-AA's this year. Hell, the first game of the year has South Dak St @ Minnesota on 8/29.

There are 39 other 1-AA's on future Big10 schedules thru 2028. Only Ohio St and Mich are currently not
scheduled to play a 1-AA. I remember Michigan scheduling a 1-AA once, and it didn't turn out well at all.

If the P5 broke away from the NCAA, they wouldn't be allowed to play any NCAA member.

If the Big10 wants to fill their bowl slots, yearly they have to have their members play 1-AA's, because 1/2 of them
would struggle vs good MAC teams.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

It also keeps those schedules soft.

Congrats to the Huskies on finally having a respectable SOS last season. They normally hover in the 50's.

Teams that had an even tougher SOS, than Washington last season, were members of the following conferences:
SEC - 6 Teams
B1G – 3 Teams
B12- 2 Teams
ACC - 1 Team
PAC - 1 Team

It's a mathematical fact that a conference that actually plays their conference members is going to rack up more losses (9 game conference schedule vs 8) and it's also a fact that the PAC-12 teams play more P5 opponents on average year in and year out than their SEC counterparts. We all know why the ACC & SEC teams are too chickenshit to play their own conference members.

 

[Gatorchip]

It's a mathematical fact that a conference that actually plays their conference members is going to rack up more losses (9 game conference schedule vs 8) and it's also a fact that the PAC-12 teams play more P5 opponents on average year in and year out than their SEC counterparts. We all know why the ACC & SEC teams are too chickenshit to play their own conference members.

Your "mathematical fact" assumes that OOC games are wins. Otherwise it's a wash.

You want the SEC teams (who already have the highest SOSs) to play 13 regular season games... along with all in-state teams, and make sure they all have some cross-country OOC P5 teams too.

Because a 20 game season for just the SEC teams, makes it 'fair' for PAC teams.

Personally, I'd love that long season. If it ever happens though, it's a completely new league. Above the BCS.