2019 NBA Playoffs thread

[buckalis]

Let's go with proven facts that you are wrong about:

1) Tony Snell is not a trade asset. 11 million a year is an awful lot for a career 6 PPG scorer who fell out of Milwaukee's playoff rotation. He is a solid role player, but there will be vets available for league min contracts that can provide similar production. Snell is who he is, no upside there. If the Bucks trade him, they will have to attach an asset because his contract carries negative trade equity.

2) George Hill does not have the special contract you claim. You can say it any way you want, but you are dead wrong.

3) I give you a pass on your Bucks prediction. Because just about everyone thought the Bucks were going to win, and to me, wrong predictions don't necessarily reflect knowledge unless you are consistently wrong like Monty. Everyone gets predictions wrong sometimes.

Picking the Bucks is not why you don't know what you are talking about. Reasons 1 and 2 are.

And no, calling someone out for saying dumb stuff does not make me a troll. You can call me names and complain all you like. You will be proven definitively wrong on these things and others that you have been so confident about.

If you are still here in 2 months, I expect a heavy dose of humble pie from you when Snell and George Hill are not traded for an all star player as you claim they will be.

Who ever said that Tony Snell will be traded for an All Star? He may be included in a package for an All Star, or he may be traded for a different role player that the Bucks need more, or he may be traded for a "salary filler" contract in a 3-team deal, but he will be traded!

The two contracts that the Cavs made on Hill and J.R. Smith, are the best in the entire league for teams that want to save cup space to receive.

 

[tlance]

Who ever said that Tony Snell will be traded for an All Star? He may be included in a package for an All Star, or he may be traded for a different role player that the Bucks need more, or he may be traded for a "salary filler" contract in a 3-team deal, but he will be traded!

The two contracts that the Cavs made on Hill and J.R. Smith, are the best in the entire league for teams that want to save cup space to receive.

You did not say he would be traded straight up for an all star. But your insistence that he be part of a trade package for a good player assumes he is a trade asset. He isn't.

You keep saying that about Hill and Smith, but you can't answer my questions. If your statement were in fact true, their contracts would have been coveted last year. It simply is not true and there is no trade in NBA history remotely similar to the Hill trade scenarios you have fabricated.

 

[buckalis]

@buckalis

Unless you understand the CBA better than every single NBA executive outside of Milwaukee, please explain these 3 things:

1) why did Cleveland dump George Hill's contract for 2 longer term bad contacts (Delly and Henson) if it was so valuable?

Because they got a 1st and a 2nd pick with them and additionally because Delly attracts crowed in the arena and Henson is useful as role player on a team that is in a rebuilt mode... Further more, the two players have the "correct" contracts for teams that are looking to add "garbage" in order to avoid being below the minimum salary line...

2) why was nobody willing to trade for JR Smith when the cost was virtually nothing?

Because it was mid season and the teams were still "on target" for the playoffs... Cup space policies are decided by the F.O. of teams during the pre-season.

3) why has there never been a George Hill + spare parts for Anthony Davis or Paul George trade in league history?

Because up to now, the teams that have players like Davis or PG were not interested in trading them... The Pelicans are still not interested in trading Davis. They'll convince him to stay and he will sign an extension with the Pels. OKC on the other side, will move PG only if they can't move Westbrook...

You don't have good answers for these 3 questions because your interpretation of the CBA rules is wrong.

Your knowledge on the CBA agreement is below half than mine...

 

[buckalis]

Your knowledge on the CBA agreement is below half than mine...

For instance... you think that teams which have only 5 or 6 contracts in their books, can make trade deals "outside" the CBA's 125% rule... If this was the case, then everybody would trade for a super max contract and then move above the cup space line when adding the rest of the roster without ever paying lux tax (since they would buy exceptions as well with the rest of the contracts)...

 

[shopson67]

To be fair, the top of the East is significantly stronger than it was last year.

It is safe to say the Celts did not maximize their talent or live up to expectations. But it is hard to say if they were truly worse this year than they were last playing without Kyrie.

Significantly stronger without Lebron? The Bucks, Sixers, and Raptors improved. The Celtics (and Cavs obviously) did not. Overall, the level of talent was about the same at the top in my estimation.

 

[shopson67]

Pretty sure Ainge made the deals to get KG and Ray Allen too.

He built a superteam out of thin air. That was pretty amazing.

KG deal was a favor from a former teammate. Not sure accepting gifts makes you a genius. That Allen trade though, that was robbery. Gary Payton's last gasp and Desmond Mason for Allen, filler and a pick? I guess that's what can happen when your coach doesn't get along with your star player. It took Paul Pierce's trade demand to light a fire under Ainge.

He made that team out of a decade of lottery picks though, not thin air.

 

[buckalis]

Significantly stronger without Lebron? The Bucks, Sixers, and Raptors improved. The Celtics (and Cavs obviously) did not. Overall, the level of talent was about the same at the top in my estimation.

Would the Cavs have beaten the Celtics in the ECF last season if Kyrie and Hayward were not injured?

I guess the obvious answer is NO and then all Sixers, Bucks and Raptors proved to be significantly better than the Celtics with Kyrie and Hayward.

 

[bksballer89]

Would the Cavs have beaten the Celtics in the ECF last season if Kyrie and Hayward were not injured?

I guess the obvious answer is NO and then all Sixers, Bucks and Raptors proved to be significantly better than the Celtics with Kyrie and Hayward.

Obvious answer is no?

Did you not watch the Celtics this year with those 2?

Cavs in 5 if those 2 were available.

 

[dtgold88]

I wonder why the admins don't move this troll (https://sportshoop.la/members/dtgold88.13233/) to the "fouled out zone" after all that trolling he does... All he knows is deliberately posting lies, inventions and trolling, he is totally unable to discuss basketball and -obviously- knows nothing about the game! He just takes space here...

Guessing if it's based off knowing nothing about bball, the guy who said they'd be moving Snell in a deal for PG would get the first ticket there.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Yes... Snell has a fine contract at 11.6M for next season. The man is a 40% shooter, fine defender, has excellent size and length, has fast legs, he carries "bird rights" with his contract, is young and is one of the cheapest 3&D wings around...

Do you have a problem with all that?

He didn't play in the playoffs. Nobody wants him, the Bucks didn't seem to think he was that great lol. Stop kidding yourself

 

[dtgold88]

Yes... Snell has a fine contract at 11.6M for next season. The man is a 40% shooter, fine defender, has excellent size and length, has fast legs, he carries "bird rights" with his contract, is young and is one of the cheapest 3&D wings around...

Do you have a problem with all that?

Your team does. Pretty sure he played as much as I did in the ECF.

 

[dtgold88]

Would the Cavs have beaten the Celtics in the ECF last season if Kyrie and Hayward were not injured?

I guess the obvious answer is NO and then all Sixers, Bucks and Raptors proved to be significantly better than the Celtics with Kyrie and Hayward.

why is the "obvious answer no"? Cs proved this season they play better without Kyrie (and maybe Hayward).

 

[Shanemansj13]

No more than 10% and Hill is with the other 90%... A title means endless earning of high income after the (short) career of a player ends... It means having a TV show, or a valuable opinion in one, it means another 5 years of endorsments after career ends... it means "everything" for the 90% of the "smart" players...

Link on the 10% and 90%? You just make up shit to hit points on your argument. You don't sound intelligent and so far you have been wrong on every point. Keep it coming.

 

[bksballer89]

Your team does. Pretty sure he played as much as I did in the ECF.

Incorrect.

He actually played 6 more minutes than you.....LMAO

 

[dtgold88]

No more than 10% and Hill is with the other 90%... A title means endless earning of high income after the (short) career of a player ends... It means having a TV show, or a valuable opinion in one, it means another 5 years of endorsments after career ends... it means "everything" for the 90% of the "smart" players...

Better hope being clueless about bball is not grounds for being booted....unless that's what you want.

 

[dtgold88]

No more than 10% and Hill is with the other 90%... A title means endless earning of high income after the (short) career of a player ends... It means having a TV show, or a valuable opinion in one, it means another 5 years of endorsments after career ends... it means "everything" for the 90% of the "smart" players...

and for the elite of the elite....which Hill and Middleton are not. Snell probably borderline, though.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Because they got a 1st and a 2nd pick with them and additionally because Delly attracts crowed in the arena and Henson is useful as role player on a team that is in a rebuilt mode... Further more, the two players have the "correct" contracts for teams that are looking to add "garbage" in order to avoid being below the minimum salary line...

Because it was mid season and the teams were still "on target" for the playoffs... Cup space policies are decided by the F.O. of teams during the pre-season.





Because up to now, the teams that have players like Davis or PG were not interested in trading them... The Pelicans are still not interested in trading Davis. They'll convince him to stay and he will sign an extension with the Pels. OKC on the other side, will move PG only if they can't move Westbrook...



Your knowledge on the CBA agreement is below half than mine...

 

[Shanemansj13]

Would the Cavs have beaten the Celtics in the ECF last season if Kyrie and Hayward were not injured?

I guess the obvious answer is NO and then all Sixers, Bucks and Raptors proved to be significantly better than the Celtics with Kyrie and Hayward.

 

[dtgold88]

Let's go with proven facts that you are wrong about:

1) Tony Snell is not a trade asset. 11 million a year is an awful lot for a career 6 PPG scorer who fell out of Milwaukee's playoff rotation. He is a solid role player, but there will be vets available for league min contracts that can provide similar production. Snell is who he is, no upside there. If the Bucks trade him, they will have to attach an asset because his contract carries negative trade equity.

2) George Hill does not have the special contract you claim. You can say it any way you want, but you are dead wrong.

3) I give you a pass on your Bucks prediction. Because just about everyone thought the Bucks were going to win, and to me, wrong predictions don't necessarily reflect knowledge unless you are consistently wrong like Monty. Everyone gets predictions wrong sometimes.

Picking the Bucks is not why you don't know what you are talking about. Reasons 1 and 2 are.

And no, calling someone out for saying dumb stuff does not make me a troll. You can call me names and complain all you like. You will be proven definitively wrong on these things and others that you have been so confident about.

If you are still here in 2 months, I expect a heavy dose of humble pie from you when Snell and George Hill are not traded for an all star player as you claim they will be.

You were getting a "winner" designation before that last comment. No chance someone as irrational as this can admit he is wrong (or take a dose of humble pie).

 

[dtgold88]

Incorrect.

He actually played 6 more minutes than you.....LMAO

Hence the "pretty sure". In fairness, I heard the Bucks were looking to bring me in instead, but went with Snell when I was nowhere to be found.