politics thread

[skinsdad62]

Dems were never for a 2,000 mile wall. Trump and his followers best get it through their head, this 2,000 mile wall will never ever happen. He couldn't get a tiny fraction of the cost passed, there is no chance that he will ever get the funding because it's a stupid idea that will never happen. His Hail Mary of the Executive Order will be tied up in court for years.

i have posted videos showing otherwise, tons of them , scroll up and find them

 

[skinsdad62]

Never let facts get in the way of a good rage, eh Eagle Fan?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate....islam-isnt-inherently-violent-or-peaceful.amp

Islam: A Religion of Peace | Ahmadiyya Muslim Community UK | Love For All Hatred For None

Islam Is A Religion Of Peace

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com...of-george-w-bushs-islam-and-peace-speech/amp/

Islam Is a Religion of Peace

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168016646392

Let me know if you need help with these, to start.

good you hit every propaganda site online

 

[skinsdad62]

Nah, just what a republican says when dealing with a fool. Nuff said.

Chillerdab.. it’s whats for dinner

i believe he is just trolling . he cant be this colossally uninformed or wrapped up in utopia

 

[skinsdad62]

The race card being played again . When will the left understand not everything is about race . If all you see is race for every issue in today’s world you need to re-evaluate your life .

 

[skinsdad62]

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/cr...0190510-koieh62uyvfurgltixmctfqy5m-story.html

Wow a new low for sanctuary cities and the open borders crowd

 

[skinsdad62]

Here Are 8 Stubborn Facts on Gun Violence in America

Some facts about guns and the lies told about them in the MSM

 

[reptec101]

i believe he is just trolling . he cant be this colossally uninformed or wrapped up in utopia

Nah I believe he's sincerely that ignorant.

 

[skinsdad62]

I can tell you , because It’s spying and people who like to parcel words out are being dishonest to us and themselves . They are protecting their friends

 

[reptec101]

Here Are 8 Stubborn Facts on Gun Violence in America

Some facts about guns and the lies told about them in the MSM

I know I would like to be carrying a gun if i'm ever in a situation when a nut starts open firing. Maybe might even save a few liberal nut jobs that protest against it.

 

[skinsdad62]

Who Is John Durham, The Man Assigned To Examine The Origins Of The Russia Investigation?

He will be impeccable until he starts nailing Democrats from the deep state . Then he will be a hack .

 

[skinsdad62]

Yeah. Those poor innocent Palestinians

 

[ehb5]

I seriously don’t understand you, for a self proclaimed conservative, you sure have got the liberals back. Ever heard of an “eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth”? At least it sounds like you’re finally admitting trump was done wrong with the Russia hoax

You seem genuinely interested in an answer to this so here goes...

I don't really have the liberals back. Like I have said, Im not liberal. I have probably an odd mix of conservative, liberal, and libertarian views with a lean towards the conservative/libertarian side of things.

The thing is...the people on here who keep assuming Im a liberal or a socialist or a libtard or whatever the term of the day is are taking a very binary view of things and expecting anybody who claims to be conservative to be "on their side".

This is the exact problem we have in politics right now though. People like skinsdad want it to be us vs them but its NOT. Or at least it shouldnt be. And joining in because "well they're doing it" isnt a good excuse. If its wrong for them, then its wrong for you too.

I think we can all agree that we SHOULD be basing our views on each issue independently and based on the facts available to us.

For example, just because I am pro 2nd amendment, that really shouldnt have anything to do with whether I am pro gay marriage, or pro Trump's wall. They're all separate issues and we have to draw conclusions on each of those issues individually.

Now some people are going to genuinely drift towards one side based on their underlying beliefs and thats ok. Some of this stuff isnt black and white.

Historically of course the belief was that conservatives held republican policy beliefs and liberals held democratic ones, but it obviously isnt always the case. Terms like conservative and liberal arent well or consistently defined so what counts as a "True" liberal or conservative belief is debatable.

That said, there are plenty of things that Trump and modern republicans support that arent traditionally conservative. If you are conservative, it doesnt mean you have to support Trump or the republican party.

Now, this is especially true when we start talking about things that have nothing to do with policy. For example Trump lies a lot. Like a lot a lot. Admitting this should be something EVERYBODY can agree on. It has nothing to do with whether you are conservative or liberal. Trump could share every policy view I have and it wouldn't change the fact that he lies all the time. So if we all agree that lying is bad - we should all be able to criticize Trump for lying regardless of whether we are conservative or liberal.

This same logic holds true for the Russia investigation, Trump and racism, Trump and sexism, and countless other things. This is important so I'm giving it its own line....

There is NO SUCH THING as a conservative position on Trump's lying, his ties to Russia, or whether or not he is racist or corrupt.

There are republican and democratic positions on these things, yes, but your opinion on these issues should have NOTHING to do with how conservative or liberal you are. You are not more conservative because you believe Trump isnt racist or that the Russia investigation was a hoax.

Bringing this back to me specifically since you asked, I obviously criticize Trump and his supporters on here a LOT. Most of it, however, is tied to things that have nothing to do with being conservative.

I criticize him for being morally reprehensible, a nonstop liar, corrupt, and ignorant bordering on unintelligent (feel free to disagree). And I criticize his defenders on here for trying to justify all of those things, for lacking principles, for making things up, and for making terrible arguments to defend him.

If you only look at things from the perspective that its republicans vs democrats; good vs evil then you are part of the problem. If the only basis for your views is that its what Trump or republicans tell you to think or that its the opposite of what democrats tell you to think then you don't actually have any individual well thought out beliefs or principles.

- Long story, short -
I criticize Trump and I criticize shitty arguments (often made to defend Trump). Neither of those things has anything to do with whether I am or am not conservative.

 

[ehb5]

Ehb5 has too. His fav network got proven idiots. Now they don't mention it 40 times a day so he has no backing. It's like finally coming to the realization that the sun isn't setting it's just the earth spinning. However, have no fear,,, they'll have our boy spewing something new out soon.

What have I done?

I'm not sure who you think is my favorite network (I dont watch any of them), but weren't you defending Fox a few posts back? If you watch Fox wouldnt that make you the one who is parroting network TV?

 

[Rowdy]

You seem genuinely interested in an answer to this so here goes...

I don't really have the liberals back. Like I have said, Im not liberal. I have probably an odd mix of conservative, liberal, and libertarian views with a lean towards the conservative/libertarian side of things.

The thing is...the people on here who keep assuming Im a liberal or a socialist or a libtard or whatever the term of the day is are taking a very binary view of things and expecting anybody who claims to be conservative to be "on their side".

This is the exact problem we have in politics right now though. People like skinsdad want it to be us vs them but its NOT. Or at least it shouldnt be. And joining in because "well they're doing it" isnt a good excuse. If its wrong for them, then its wrong for you too.

I think we can all agree that we SHOULD be basing our views on each issue independently and based on the facts available to us.

For example, just because I am pro 2nd amendment, that really shouldnt have anything to do with whether I am pro gay marriage, or pro Trump's wall. They're all separate issues and we have to draw conclusions on each of those issues individually.

Now some people are going to genuinely drift towards one side based on their underlying beliefs and thats ok. Some of this stuff isnt black and white.

Historically of course the belief was that conservatives held republican policy beliefs and liberals held democratic ones, but it obviously isnt always the case. Terms like conservative and liberal arent well or consistently defined so what counts as a "True" liberal or conservative belief is debatable.

That said, there are plenty of things that Trump and modern republicans support that arent traditionally conservative. If you are conservative, it doesnt mean you have to support Trump or the republican party.

Now, this is especially true when we start talking about things that have nothing to do with policy. For example Trump lies a lot. Like a lot a lot. Admitting this should be something EVERYBODY can agree on. It has nothing to do with whether you are conservative or liberal. Trump could share every policy view I have and it wouldn't change the fact that he lies all the time. So if we all agree that lying is bad - we should all be able to criticize Trump for lying regardless of whether we are conservative or liberal.

This same logic holds true for the Russia investigation, Trump and racism, Trump and sexism, and countless other things. This is important so I'm giving it its own line....

There is NO SUCH THING as a conservative position on Trump's lying, his ties to Russia, or whether or not he is racist or corrupt.

There are republican and democratic positions on these things, yes, but your opinion on these issues should have NOTHING to do with how conservative or liberal you are. You are not more conservative because you believe Trump isnt racist or that the Russia investigation was a hoax.

Bringing this back to me specifically since you asked, I obviously criticize Trump and his supporters on here a LOT. Most of it, however, is tied to things that have nothing to do with being conservative.

I criticize him for being morally reprehensible, a nonstop liar, corrupt, and ignorant bordering on unintelligent (feel free to disagree). And I criticize his defenders on here for trying to justify all of those things, for lacking principles, for making things up, and for making terrible arguments to defend him.

If you only look at things from the perspective that its republicans vs democrats; good vs evil then you are part of the problem. If the only basis for your views is that its what Trump or republicans tell you to think or that its the opposite of what democrats tell you to think then you don't actually have any individual well thought out beliefs or principles.

- Long story, short -
I criticize Trump and I criticize shitty arguments (often made to defend Trump). Neither of those things has anything to do with whether I am or am not conservative.

Ok, good long answer. Now was the Russia investigation bullshit or not, and what about an eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth? Biden and son are fair game. M.O.F Biden was probably there for the ok along with obummer on the trump investigation

 

[ehb5]

Ok, good long answer. Now was the Russia investigation bullshit or not, and what about an eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth? Biden and son are fair game. M.O.F Biden was probably there for the ok along with obummer on the trump investigation

No it was not bullshit.


As for an eye for an eye, that goes back to what I was just saying. Either something is wrong or it is not wrong. There should be no eye for an eye. You cant justify a corrupt political action by arguing that the other side made the same corrupt political action.

Either corrupt political actions are bad or they are not. If you are justifying them for revenge, you are putting party over principle (and country).

 

[Rowdy]

No it was not bullshit.


As for an eye for an eye, that goes back to what I was just saying. Either something is wrong or it is not wrong. There should be no eye for an eye. You cant justify a corrupt political action by arguing that the other side made the same corrupt political action.

Either corrupt political actions are bad or they are not. If you are justifying them for revenge, you are putting party over principle (and country).

If it’s not BS against trump then it isn’t against Biden

 

[skinsdad62]

You seem genuinely interested in an answer to this so here goes...

I don't really have the liberals back. Like I have said, Im not liberal. I have probably an odd mix of conservative, liberal, and libertarian views with a lean towards the conservative/libertarian side of things.

The thing is...the people on here who keep assuming Im a liberal or a socialist or a libtard or whatever the term of the day is are taking a very binary view of things and expecting anybody who claims to be conservative to be "on their side".

This is the exact problem we have in politics right now though. People like skinsdad want it to be us vs them but its NOT. Or at least it shouldnt be. And joining in because "well they're doing it" isnt a good excuse. If its wrong for them, then its wrong for you too.

I think we can all agree that we SHOULD be basing our views on each issue independently and based on the facts available to us.

For example, just because I am pro 2nd amendment, that really shouldnt have anything to do with whether I am pro gay marriage, or pro Trump's wall. They're all separate issues and we have to draw conclusions on each of those issues individually.

Now some people are going to genuinely drift towards one side based on their underlying beliefs and thats ok. Some of this stuff isnt black and white.

Historically of course the belief was that conservatives held republican policy beliefs and liberals held democratic ones, but it obviously isnt always the case. Terms like conservative and liberal arent well or consistently defined so what counts as a "True" liberal or conservative belief is debatable.

That said, there are plenty of things that Trump and modern republicans support that arent traditionally conservative. If you are conservative, it doesnt mean you have to support Trump or the republican party.

Now, this is especially true when we start talking about things that have nothing to do with policy. For example Trump lies a lot. Like a lot a lot. Admitting this should be something EVERYBODY can agree on. It has nothing to do with whether you are conservative or liberal. Trump could share every policy view I have and it wouldn't change the fact that he lies all the time. So if we all agree that lying is bad - we should all be able to criticize Trump for lying regardless of whether we are conservative or liberal.

This same logic holds true for the Russia investigation, Trump and racism, Trump and sexism, and countless other things. This is important so I'm giving it its own line....

There is NO SUCH THING as a conservative position on Trump's lying, his ties to Russia, or whether or not he is racist or corrupt.

There are republican and democratic positions on these things, yes, but your opinion on these issues should have NOTHING to do with how conservative or liberal you are. You are not more conservative because you believe Trump isnt racist or that the Russia investigation was a hoax.

Bringing this back to me specifically since you asked, I obviously criticize Trump and his supporters on here a LOT. Most of it, however, is tied to things that have nothing to do with being conservative.

I criticize him for being morally reprehensible, a nonstop liar, corrupt, and ignorant bordering on unintelligent (feel free to disagree). And I criticize his defenders on here for trying to justify all of those things, for lacking principles, for making things up, and for making terrible arguments to defend him.

If you only look at things from the perspective that its republicans vs democrats; good vs evil then you are part of the problem. If the only basis for your views is that its what Trump or republicans tell you to think or that its the opposite of what democrats tell you to think then you don't actually have any individual well thought out beliefs or principles.

- Long story, short -
I criticize Trump and I criticize shitty arguments (often made to defend Trump). Neither of those things has anything to do with whether I am or am not conservative.

Oh please you have held a liberal stance on every major debating topic on this board and bashed every conservative pundit ever mentioned here. Sooner or later you will have to just admit what you truly are . Us against them , laughable .

 

[ehb5]

If it’s not BS against trump then it isn’t against Biden

That isn't how that works.

Youre argument was that it was an eye for an eye. Eg. "They did a bad thing so now we get to do that bad thing back to them".

That isn't a good justification for doing a bad thing.

However, the underlying premise that both of those things were both bad and equivalent isn't necessarily true.

Political investigations are not always corrupt and not always just.

Justifying a political investigation on the basis of revenge is corrupt though.

 

[skinsdad62]

No it was not bullshit.


As for an eye for an eye, that goes back to what I was just saying. Either something is wrong or it is not wrong. There should be no eye for an eye. You cant justify a corrupt political action by arguing that the other side made the same corrupt political action.

Either corrupt political actions are bad or they are not. If you are justifying them for revenge, you are putting party over principle (and country).

Then why gloss over it ? At best you have given limited criticism to HRC or Obama for criminal acts they may have committed . With you it’s more about Trump hate then anything else . The Russian collusion has proven to be a hoax as I said 2 years ago and part. 2 of what I said about Obama’s DOJ , FBI and CIA are now just being investigated. You can’t spy on someone without probable cause and I have listed the real time lines over years ago . The dossier was used to open an illegal investigation of an opposition party , it was paid for by HRC and the DNC . It was gathered by a known Trump hater ( Steele ) from , get this , Russian sources. My sources are live hearings and the IG reports along with applicable laws being broke . You have Cohen , Clapper , Brennan. Strzok , Page , Ohr , McCabe and Rosenstein , and Lynch all implicated in this affair which Mueller didn’t even look into .

You want to play the “ pointing out bad behavior “ game but yet you were and are silent when people you like do the same thing . Either you have the principal or you don’t and you need to call it both ways or not at all

 

[skinsdad62]

Exactly