politics thread

[skinsdad62]

Opinion | Help Wanted in the U.S.A.

Robotics and automation will be replacing millions of entry and mid-level workers in the next 10 yrs—we don’t need more foreign workers ( short term maybe ) OR illegal immigrants.

 

[ehb5]

Oh please you have held a liberal stance on every major debating topic on this board and bashed every conservative pundit ever mentioned here. Sooner or later you will have to just admit what you truly are . Us against them , laughable .

It seems like you didn't really understand what I wrote if you think I have held every liberal position.

But please...can you list the liberal positions I've held?

I have voiced many of my conversation positions in the past.

As for bashing conservative pundits that probably says more about the pundits you share on this board.

I like plenty of conservative pundits. Shitty arguments made by conservatives are still shitty arguments. Stop posting shitty arguments if you want me to take your pundits and arguments more seriously.

 

[ehb5]

Then why gloss over it ? At best you have given limited criticism to HRC or Obama for criminal acts they may have committed . With you it’s more about Trump hate then anything else . The Russian collusion has proven to be a hoax as I said 2 years ago and part. 2 of what I said about Obama’s DOJ , FBI and CIA are now just being investigated. You can’t spy on someone without probable cause and I have listed the real time lines over years ago . The dossier was used to open an illegal investigation of an opposition party , it was paid for by HRC and the DNC . It was gathered by a known Trump hater ( Steele ) from , get this , Russian sources. My sources are live hearings and the IG reports along with applicable laws being broke . You have Cohen , Clapper , Brennan. Strzok , Page , Ohr , McCabe and Rosenstein , and Lynch all implicated in this affair which Mueller didn’t even look into .

You want to play the “ pointing out bad behavior “ game but yet you were and are silent when people you like do the same thing . Either you have the principal or you don’t and you need to call it both ways or not at all

I'm not sure what I have glossed over. Last I checked Donald Trump is the president and this thread didn't exist when Obama was president.

The only reason Obama and Hillary tend to come up in this thread during the Trump presidency is when brought up by Trump defenders in order to deflect from criticisms. "But Hillary!!"

There is plenty to criticize Obama and Hillary for. I've said that many times. But I won't be bogged down by your attempts to excuse Trump's behavior.

You are the one that is defending one of those 3 people religiously. Not me.

 

[skinsdad62]

Rosenstein slams Comey for becoming a 'partisan pundit'

Now they eat their own

 

[skinsdad62]

I'm not sure what I have glossed over. Last I checked Donald Trump is the president and this thread didn't exist when Obama was president.

The only reason Obama and Hillary tend to come up in this thread during the Trump presidency is when brought up by Trump defenders in order to deflect from criticisms. "But Hillary!!"

There is plenty to criticize Obama and Hillary for. I've said that many times. But I won't be bogged down by your attempts to excuse Trump's behavior.

You are the one that is defending one of those 3 people religiously. Not me.

You won’t get bogged down by holding people you like accountable is more like it

 

[skinsdad62]

It seems like you didn't really understand what I wrote if you think I have held every liberal position.

But please...can you list the liberal positions I've held?

I have voiced many of my conversation positions in the past.

As for bashing conservative pundits that probably says more about the pundits you share on this board.

I like plenty of conservative pundits. Shitty arguments made by conservatives are still shitty arguments. Stop posting shitty arguments if you want me to take your pundits and arguments more seriously.

They are on the record above .no need to lust them

 

[Rowdy]

That isn't how that works.

Youre argument was that it was an eye for an eye. Eg. "They did a bad thing so now we get to do that bad thing back to them".

That isn't a good justification for doing a bad thing.

However, the underlying premise that both of those things were both bad and equivalent isn't necessarily true.

Political investigations are not always corrupt and not always just.

Justifying a political investigation on the basis of revenge is corrupt though.

We’ll just keep going in circles on this. How do you feel about the investigation of the Russia investigation?

 

[ehb5]

You won’t get bogged down by holding people you like accountable is more like it

I'll hold anybody accountable who deserves it.

Why do you keep imagining beliefs for me? I'm pretty open about what I think. No need for you to constantly make shit up.

 

[ehb5]

They are on the record above .no need to lust them

No they are not.

Here I'll even help you start the list...I hold a liberal position on immigration.

Now... What other liberal positions have I taken on this board?

 

[Sharkinva]

We’ll just keep going in circles on this. How do you feel about the investigation of the Russia investigation?

They will find as much as Trumps voter fraud task force did... Nothing.

 

[Rowdy]

They will find as much as Trumps voter fraud task force did... Nothing.

We shall see. I’m sure the fbi knows how to cover their tracks

 

[Sharkinva]

We shall see. I’m sure the fbi knows how to cover their tracks

If you trusted Federal Law Enforcement right up until Trump told you not to trust them..... Federal Law enforcement might not be the problem.

 

[ehb5]

We’ll just keep going in circles on this. How do you feel about the investigation of the Russia investigation?

I believe Barr is rather obviously politically biased and willing to make Trump look better and that there isn't a basis for the investigation. We shall see how it goes.

 

[Rowdy]

I believe Barr is rather obviously politically biased and willing to make Trump look better and that there isn't a basis for the investigation. We shall see how it goes.

What if it concludes that obummer and hrc spied on the trump campaign like most of us has been saying? Do you admit you were wrong, and just a trump hater?

 

[ehb5]

What if it concludes that obummer and hrc spied on the trump campaign like most of us has been saying? Do you admit you were wrong, and just a trump hater?

Huh? I'm not sure what this has to do with being a Trump hater. It's just evaluating the evidence in front of you. If you deny something despite overwhelming evidence or believe something despite a complete lack of evidence then you're being a partisan hack. I'm not sure when that would ever not hold true.

 

[skinsdad62]

No they are not.

Here I'll even help you start the list...I hold a liberal position on immigration.

Now... What other liberal positions have I taken on this board?

as usual you play the amnesia game , . my answers are listed above and have been on record for months

i search engine them , you stay away for a week , you never see them , then claim no one answered your questions

wash rinse repeat

and the boogie man soros comments come out and you claim conservatism

sorry but if it means that much you can do the textual leg work .

2 times is enough for me

 

[skinsdad62]

I'll hold anybody accountable who deserves it.

Why do you keep imagining beliefs for me? I'm pretty open about what I think. No need for you to constantly make shit up.

yeah that is why you didnt believe me when i posted my sources . now they are becoming true

 

[skinsdad62]

If you trusted Federal Law Enforcement right up until Trump told you not to trust them..... Federal Law enforcement might not be the problem.

if the leaders of said law enforcement werent corrupt , as they are on record as being then perhaps the leadership was the issue

 

[gkekoa]

You know me, I go to give the other view you dont really want to see.

So please remind me of when the last time people from the middle east or Africa marched in force into Europe, or the Americas for that matter?? Christians had the Crusades... which might have had a tendency to put those faced with the choice of believe as I do or die... a bit on edge.

And the Crusades crushed the tyrannical enslavers and murderers of Islam.

The people of the ME and Africa are free to march wherever they...I think they may be slightly smarter than that though.

 

[skinsdad62]

You seem genuinely interested in an answer to this so here goes...

I don't really have the liberals back. Like I have said, Im not liberal. I have probably an odd mix of conservative, liberal, and libertarian views with a lean towards the conservative/libertarian side of things.

The thing is...the people on here who keep assuming Im a liberal or a socialist or a libtard or whatever the term of the day is are taking a very binary view of things and expecting anybody who claims to be conservative to be "on their side".

This is the exact problem we have in politics right now though. People like skinsdad want it to be us vs them but its NOT. Or at least it shouldnt be. And joining in because "well they're doing it" isnt a good excuse. If its wrong for them, then its wrong for you too.

I think we can all agree that we SHOULD be basing our views on each issue independently and based on the facts available to us.

For example, just because I am pro 2nd amendment, that really shouldnt have anything to do with whether I am pro gay marriage, or pro Trump's wall. They're all separate issues and we have to draw conclusions on each of those issues individually.

Now some people are going to genuinely drift towards one side based on their underlying beliefs and thats ok. Some of this stuff isnt black and white.

Historically of course the belief was that conservatives held republican policy beliefs and liberals held democratic ones, but it obviously isnt always the case. Terms like conservative and liberal arent well or consistently defined so what counts as a "True" liberal or conservative belief is debatable.

That said, there are plenty of things that Trump and modern republicans support that arent traditionally conservative. If you are conservative, it doesnt mean you have to support Trump or the republican party.

Now, this is especially true when we start talking about things that have nothing to do with policy. For example Trump lies a lot. Like a lot a lot. Admitting this should be something EVERYBODY can agree on. It has nothing to do with whether you are conservative or liberal. Trump could share every policy view I have and it wouldn't change the fact that he lies all the time. So if we all agree that lying is bad - we should all be able to criticize Trump for lying regardless of whether we are conservative or liberal.

This same logic holds true for the Russia investigation, Trump and racism, Trump and sexism, and countless other things. This is important so I'm giving it its own line....

There is NO SUCH THING as a conservative position on Trump's lying, his ties to Russia, or whether or not he is racist or corrupt.

There are republican and democratic positions on these things, yes, but your opinion on these issues should have NOTHING to do with how conservative or liberal you are. You are not more conservative because you believe Trump isnt racist or that the Russia investigation was a hoax.

Bringing this back to me specifically since you asked, I obviously criticize Trump and his supporters on here a LOT. Most of it, however, is tied to things that have nothing to do with being conservative.

I criticize him for being morally reprehensible, a nonstop liar, corrupt, and ignorant bordering on unintelligent (feel free to disagree). And I criticize his defenders on here for trying to justify all of those things, for lacking principles, for making things up, and for making terrible arguments to defend him.

If you only look at things from the perspective that its republicans vs democrats; good vs evil then you are part of the problem. If the only basis for your views is that its what Trump or republicans tell you to think or that its the opposite of what democrats tell you to think then you don't actually have any individual well thought out beliefs or principles.

- Long story, short -
I criticize Trump and I criticize shitty arguments (often made to defend Trump). Neither of those things has anything to do with whether I am or am not conservative.

the bold print says what you are and it isnt conservative . its more likely moderate and as i have stated you are not conservative .

your rants on trump wreak of MSM / liberal talking points which leads me to believe you are left of center

now you wrote the shit so there you have it