politics thread

[Stymietee]

Being angry over having your Admin & your family and staff threatened by partisan investigators accusing you of something you never did: “OBSTRUCTION!”

Taking email server under subpoena, erasing it, scrubbing all data w/ BleachBit & pounding it with hammer: “NOT OBSTRUCTION!”

There are 10 listed acts of "Obstructive behaviors" in the Mueller report, not one of them mentions his anger as a stand alone act of obstruction. What followed was in fact obstruction, one of the ten.

The Republicans had control of 2/3 of the government, all investigations yielded nothing against Hillary Clinton. Hell they literally spent 5 years and multiple millions on Benghazi alone, the yield...ZIP!!

If you want to continue to believe the BS about HRC, since there's absolutely zero proof, blame Republicans for not finding it! They were in charge of every investigative effort against her. Beyond that, pulling out the …"but Hillary" card? C'mon Sarge!

 

[Stymietee]

BS

Question: When there's some sort of terroristic event here, we rightfully call it terrorism, however, when we inflict some sort of terroristic event on other people (which we do) and it's pointed out as such, it's anti-American. Why is that?

 

[Stymietee]

I love the sanctimonious moralizing from CNN & Democrats on how wrong it is to take info from foreign sources when Clinton hired a British spy to collect a dossier of fake opposition research from Russians. If Russia had offered them dirt on Trump they’d take it in a heartbeat.

More accurately, Clinton continued what Republicans started.

The problem with the rest of your statement is, Clinton wasn't offered dirt on Trump from Russia, Trump and his campaign were offered help in the election and they actually took it, exchanged polling data and outlined states where the data would be usefully employed by the Russians. NO collusion (conspiracy), No obstruction my ass. Case closed!

Maybe Clinton had a reason why she wanted dirt on Trump and the Russians...it actually existed!!

 

[Stymietee]

Yes. Muslims believe Jesus was a great prophet. They do not believe he died on a cross and was resurrected three days later. If they did, they wouldn’t call him a prophet. They would call him “I am.”

Nope, they would rightfully call those responsible for this resurrection, "doctors!"

 

[Stymietee]

Muslims also believe that at the end of times Jesus will be resurrected to lead all God believing children to paradise.

Side note, Nothing is more elitist than the belief that God would choose one religion over another and only if you believe as ones chosen religion will God spare someone from hell.

Never mind, I started to post some real talk here, but thought better of it.

 

[gkekoa]

Nope, they would rightfully call those responsible for this resurrection, "doctors!"

Jesus was placed in a crypt, no doctors.

 

[reptec101]

Religion is the one thing that nobody on here is going to sway another on to see things their way... so why does anyone bother? Whether Jesus is a prophet in the eyes of Muslims or he's the son of God in the eyes of Christians is simply a matter of faith. Truth is aint nobody know a damn thing on here for certain what the heck is truth and and what is lie when it comes to the many aspects of religion yet we all pretend to know the one that someone else needs to follow.

Arrogance is mentioned in the bible (since im a christian by faith) many many times. I'm sure it is mentioned in the Quran as well, and in most if not all... it tells the reader that pride such as arrogance is an abomination to God himself... yet we continuously through our comments proclaim that we know it all. We're all quilty. We are in fact... know-it-alls... almost Godlike ourselves. Truth is aint nobody worth shit on here. My advice,,, stick to politics (since it's man made) and leave religion out.

 

[gkekoa]

Religion is the one thing that nobody on here is going to sway another on to see things their way... so why does anyone bother? Whether Jesus is a prophet in the eyes of Muslims or he's the son of God in the eyes of Christians is simply a matter of faith. Truth is aint nobody know a damn thing on here for certain what the heck is truth and and what is lie when it comes to the many aspects of religion yet we all pretend to know the one that someone else needs to follow.

Arrogance is mentioned in the bible (since im a christian by faith) many many times. I'm sure it is mentioned in the Quran as well, and in most if not all... it tells the reader that pride such as arrogance is an abomination to God himself... yet we continuously through our comments proclaim that we know it all. We're all quilty. We are in fact... know-it-alls... almost Godlike ourselves. Truth is aint nobody worth shit on here. My advice,,, stick to politics (since it's man made) and leave religion out.

Sorry Rep, but show me where I have said anything prideful with respect to being a Christian. The only absolute I stated was to be a Christian, you have to believe he died for our sins, was resurrected (you have to believe he is who he said he was and that is “I am”, and repent. A Christian cannot work his way into heaven because we are not worthy alone.

Now, while there are certain people on here that are actively arguing, there could be a reader or two that sees something to investigate and the Spirit may come upon them. So discussing Christianity in a public venue isn’t always for the people doing the discussing.

 

[Stymietee]

Jesus was placed in a crypt, no doctors.

Really?? How do you know this?

 

[Sharkinva]

Really?? How do you know this?

Well its obvious man. I think someone would have mentioned if they performed CPR on GOD after all. That would definitely allow said doctor to raise his rates on any future patients.

Dr Heruticus Merl... Resuscitator of God MD.

 

[reptec101]

Sorry Rep, but show me where I have said anything prideful with respect to being a Christian. The only absolute I stated was to be a Christian, you have to believe he died for our sins, was resurrected (you have to believe he is who he said he was and that is “I am”, and repent. A Christian cannot work his way into heaven because we are not worthy alone.

Now, while there are certain people on here that are actively arguing, there could be a reader or two that sees something to investigate and the Spirit may come upon them. So discussing Christianity in a public venue isn’t always for the people doing the discussing.

With respect to everybody. We all know you're a devout christian. The bible is gospel to you (no pun intended) but my point was that you will not sway anyone to think like you if they are devout in any which way in their own right, and vice-versa. In my opinion it's fine to try to help others see the light.. as you see it (again, no pun intended) but to preach the bible in context according to you seems boastful to me. Likewise with others preaching the opposite to you.. as they interpret, and im not picking on ya,, we all do it... But it's meant to be a personal thing. Just seems pointless to try and convice to someone that the world is round when they see it as flat. Saying that...I'm also guilty with arrogance in discussing the world according to me regarding religion and politics and everything else... Even though im right with everything I say.

 

[reptec101]

Really?? How do you know this?

Well if you believe in the Bible it tells you I believe... that he was alone in his place of buriel. Thus his resurrection is even more miraculous.... as he himself predicted while alive.

I think we all can be happy they didn't have defibrillators back then.

 

[gkekoa]

Really?? How do you know this?

Written history by those who knew him. Men who were martyred horrific deaths and all they had to do was claim it was a lie.

 

[gkekoa]

With respect to everybody. We all know you're a devout christian. The bible is gospel to you (no pun intended) but my point was that you will not sway anyone to think like you if they are devout in any which way in their own right, and vice-versa. In my opinion it's fine to try to help others see the light.. as you see it (again, no pun intended) but to preach the bible in context according to you seems boastful to me. Likewise with others preaching the opposite to you.. as they interpret, and im not picking on ya,, we all do it... But it's meant to be a personal thing. Just seems pointless to try and convice to someone that the world is round when they see it as flat. Saying that...I'm also guilty with arrogance in discussing the world according to me regarding religion and politics and everything else... Even though im right with everything I say.

I am not devout in the sense most think. I am a major screw up and sinner.

I don’t want to preach the Bible in my context. I want people to read it in context. You can’t pull out a verse from a passage without the passage. The relationship with God is personal...the Bible is not.

 

[skinsdad62]

More accurately, Clinton continued what Republicans started.

The problem with the rest of your statement is, Clinton wasn't offered dirt on Trump from Russia, Trump and his campaign were offered help in the election and they actually took it, exchanged polling data and outlined states where the data would be usefully employed by the Russians. NO collusion (conspiracy), No obstruction my ass. Case closed!

Maybe Clinton had a reason why she wanted dirt on Trump and the Russians...it actually existed!!

oh please she bought and paid for that dossier and the republicans were long since out of it
and they got help from russia via a british agent and the ulraine

there was no collusion and no obstruction period

 

[skinsdad62]

I've read the Mueller report and it absolutely DOES NOT clear Trump or his campaign of anything including collusion even though it isn't a crime as a stand alone.

Here's a direct quote from Mueller's report that destroys any further talk of Trump being cleared of obstruction.

IV. CONCLUSION
Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state1.
IV. CONCLUSION
Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state1. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

(Instead of collusion, I'll add conspiracy which is the actual charge.)

Now before anyone tries to hang onto the line that reads..."Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

This refers to the SC's stand that it is a congressional matter because ONLY a co-equal branch of government can make that conclusion and subsequently "charge" a president with criminal offenses. (the lead up to this conclusion goes from Vol 2 page 170 to Vol 2 page 182 for those who have a copy or can get it online and want to follow)

ok what obstruction took place

 

[skinsdad62]

The U.S. is leading the world in carbon emission reductions after pulling out of the Paris Climate Accords

 

[skinsdad62]

NYT Reveals FBI Retaliated Against Trump For Lawfully Firing Comey

Why a i not surprised

 

[Stymietee]

Well if you believe in the Bible it tells you I believe... that he was alone in his place of buriel. Thus his resurrection is even more miraculous.... as he himself predicted while alive.

I think we all can be happy they didn't have defibrillators back then.

Yeah that's the thing about faith, it's fungible depending upon what's being talked about. BTW: doesn't the bible also tell you that the Christ was tended to and placed in the cave? How are we so certain that he wasn't medically cared for? Well, I suppose that the answer will be because there was no mention of it, right? Well there's no mention of what the creator did during break time either, just on the seventh day...rested. There are lots of typical omissions in the bible, or do we believe that no one ever took a deuce?

 

[Stymietee]

Written history by those who knew him. Men who were martyred horrific deaths and all they had to do was claim it was a lie.

Written history is replete with omissions, those who knew him never mentioned his sacred bathroom breaks, nor a whole lot about the supporting cast that were amongst his followers. Perhaps because a lot of them were women.