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[Earl Stevens]

I'm sure Dak critsizes himself for his deep ball accuracy as well as his coaches. That's how you improve, goof. I can post 9-10 wide open recievers that Dak overthrew by 5 yards. That's not to say he can't get better. I've said many times that when he cleans a few things up he could be great. You just throw a baby fit every time someone critiques him. You apparently consider him perfect. Meanwhile, you say the Cowboys shouldn't even CONSIDER resigning Zeke, Jaylon and BJ. Clueless

You can post? How about fucking do it? I can post six throws where Aaron Rodgers missed open receivers:


See, I actually fucking did it, didn't just say it. I throw a baby fit, when people like you post stupid shit with nothing to back it up, like what you are doing now. Again, do I need to point out that Dak had six accurate passes that were dropped that would have been TDs? That's an actual fact. A statistic. So if Dak missed 9-10 wide open receivers, he had receivers that also fucked him. I don't consider Dak perfect. I consider him in the top 10 QB range. I consider him accurate because that's actually a fact. I consider how effective he is in a scheme that is actually poisonous for a QB.

The Cowboys shouldn't consider signing Zeke just like they didn't sign DeMarco. They are overworking him already and he will probably be washed up by the 2nd or 3rd year of his new contract. But I wouldn't have that big of a problem with them re-signing him as much as I would with BJ or Jaylon at this point. At least your thoughts on Jaylon and BJ are in line and consistent with your Mahomes take. You love to overreact to players after having one great season.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

not that I want to get in between you two bickering. & full disclosure stop reading the banter back & forth I assume it is just repeating same shit with a ton of words.
FWIW I dont think Dak is a great QB either.
However I do think he is our franchise QB. Amazes me how so many dont realize they are two different things. There are a lot of Franchise QBs. Only a handful of great QBs.

just my

 

[UK Cowboy]

not that I want to get in between you two bickering. & full disclosure stop reading the banter back & forth I assume it is just repeating same shit with a ton of words.
FWIW I dont think Dak is a great QB either.
However I do think he is our franchise QB. Amazes me how so many dont realize they are two different things. There are a lot of Franchise QBs. Only a handful of great QBs.

just my

I realize both. He's top 10-15, might be better tgan that in a couple of years. But just like DLaw, he's not going anywhere, and neither is Zeke, BJ or Jaylon. Key will be, Dallas needs to pay him fairly, which is 10th best money, not $30+ just because he is up

 

[UK Cowboy]

You can post? How about fucking do it? I can post six throws where Aaron Rodgers missed open receivers:


See, I actually fucking did it, didn't just say it. I throw a baby fit, when people like you post stupid shit with nothing to back it up, like what you are doing now. Again, do I need to point out that Dak had six accurate passes that were dropped that would have been TDs? That's an actual fact. A statistic. So if Dak missed 9-10 wide open receivers, he had receivers that also fucked him. I don't consider Dak perfect. I consider him in the top 10 QB range. I consider him accurate because that's actually a fact. I consider how effective he is in a scheme that is actually poisonous for a QB.

The Cowboys shouldn't consider signing Zeke just like they didn't sign DeMarco. They are overworking him already and he will probably be washed up by the 2nd or 3rd year of his new contract. But I wouldn't have that big of a problem with them re-signing him as much as I would with BJ or Jaylon at this point. At least your thoughts on Jaylon and BJ are in line and consistent with your Mahomes take. You love to overreact to players after having one great season.

I thought Dan Marino was a great player after one season too Brother. It's not hard to spot greatness, and Mahomes is great

 

[Earl Stevens]

I thought Dan Marino was a great player after one season too Brother. It's not hard to spot greatness, and Mahomes is great

Sounds like you are a Mahomes lover. Do you wanna have his kids? Are you his mother? My God get his dick out of your mouth. Go be a Chief fan.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Sounds like you are a Mahomes lover. Do you wanna have his kids? Are you his mother? My God get his dick out of your mouth. Go be a Chief fan.

I've known the kid since he was 13, so I'm a little biased. Of course, 5000 yards and 50 TD's in his first year as a starter kind of speak for themselves. I'm a bigger Cowboys fan than you are. You love Dak, screw the rest

 

[Bmurph]

Mahomes is a generational talent. He has abilities few of even the best QB's of all time have/had. You can say what you want about only 1 year of proving it but that isn't his fault, that is all the opportunity he's been given. He will prove his mettle over the next 10-15 years. He proved it in HS and college and he will continue even after his debut year in the NFL.

I have watched the kid grow up, I played ball with his Dad. I still hang out, every other week or so with Pat. I watched him play HS football here in Whitehouse and he's the real deal.

I am not his mother but I dated his mother's sister many years ago. She was mean......lol. That has nothing to do with his talent and I am not a Chiefs fan necessarily but I am a Patrick Mahomes fan. The kid is going to do amazing things in the NFL and even if Dak and the Cowboys bring us a SB, doesn't change the fact that Patrick is a rare talent and has a better skill set than Dak. I don't hate Dak either.

 

[Earl Stevens]

I've known the kid since he was 13, so I'm a little biased. Of course, 5000 yards and 50 TD's in his first year as a starter kind of speak for themselves. I'm a bigger Cowboys fan than you are. You love Dak, screw the rest

I don't care how long you've known Mahomes.

Only a fucking twat would say "I'm a bigger Cowboy fan than you are." In this fucking thread I said nothing about Dak. YOU jumped in with the smart ass remark about Dak when I was talking about Zeke, Byron, and Jaylon because you were looking to pick a fight. I literally called LVE the next Luke Kuechly in this thread. I literally said the Amari Cooper trade was worth it from the get go and got backlash for it. Cooper literally saved the saason and Garrett's job. I called the DLaw breakout two years ago. So clearly, I love other players on this team. I've proven on multiple occasions that I know what the fuck I'm talking about. I know what the fuck I'm talking about because I study, research, and watch tons of film.

I love Zeke, but based on how great this Oline is and what it did when Murray was here, I think they can survive if they let Zeke go. I saw Byron Jones for three years take bad paths to the football constantly and then have one great season at cornerback with zero interceptions. A great year, but still need to see more before I'm willing to say Dallas should pay him. I saw Jaylon Smith take three years to come back from a serious injury and become a really good football player. But does that mean Dallas should commit to him long term at this point when he still has flaws in his game and of course, still carries risk injury-wise? No.

You turned something that wasn't about fucking Dak into a fucking Dak thread. Now you say this bullshit about me only caring about Dak and nobody else. There's over 4000 posts of me on SportsHoopla of me being 100% objective about all things involving Cowboys and no evidence of me caring about one player over the team. Seriously, go fuck yourself. And I don't care if that gets me banned.

 

[Bmurph]

I don't care how long you've known Mahomes.

Only a fucking twat would say "I'm a bigger Cowboy fan than you are." In this fucking thread I said nothing about Dak. YOU jumped in with the smart ass remark about Dak when I was talking about Zeke, Byron, and Jaylon because you were looking to pick a fight. I literally called LVE the next Luke Kuechly in this thread. I literally said the Amari Cooper trade was worth it from the get go and got backlash for it. Cooper literally saved the saason and Garrett's job. I called the DLaw breakout two years ago. So clearly, I love other players on this team. I've proven on multiple occasions that I know what the fuck I'm talking about. I know what the fuck I'm talking about because I study, research, and watch tons of film.

I love Zeke, but based on how great this Oline is and what it did when Murray was here, I think they can survive if they let Zeke go. I saw Byron Jones for three years take bad paths to the football constantly and then have one great season at cornerback with zero interceptions. A great year, but still need to see more before I'm willing to say Dallas should pay him. I saw Jaylon Smith take three years to come back from a serious injury and become a really good football player. But does that mean Dallas should commit to him long term at this point when he still has flaws in his game and of course, still carries risk injury-wise? No.

You turned something that wasn't about fucking Dak into a fucking Dak thread. Now you say this bullshit about me only caring about Dak and nobody else. There's over 4000 posts of me on SportsHoopla of me being 100% objective about all things involving Cowboys and no evidence of me caring about one player over the team. Seriously, go fuck yourself. And I don't care if that gets me banned.

Has anyone been banned on this site since Hammer left? There were probably too many bans when he was around but there hasn't been enough since he left. Team boards dont seem to be monitored any more at all. May be time for me to move on.

 

[Earl Stevens]

Mahomes is a generational talent. He has abilities few of even the best QB's of all time have/had. You can say what you want about only 1 year of proving it but that isn't his fault, that is all the opportunity he's been given. He will prove his mettle over the next 10-15 years. He proved it in HS and college and he will continue even after his debut year in the NFL.

I have watched the kid grow up, I played ball with his Dad. I still hang out, every other week or so with Pat. I watched him play HS football here in Whitehouse and he's the real deal.

I am not his mother but I dated his mother's sister many years ago. She was mean......lol. That has nothing to do with his talent and I am not a Chiefs fan necessarily but I am a Patrick Mahomes fan. The kid is going to do amazing things in the NFL and even if Dak and the Cowboys bring us a SB, doesn't change the fact that Patrick is a rare talent and has a better skill set than Dak. I don't hate Dak either.

When Mahomes was drafted, nobody said he was a generational talent. Coming into 2018, nobody thought Mahomes was doing what he did. Opinions change with the wind. I just wanna see more before I put him in the top tier of QBs. For what it's worth, I don't consider Dak in the top tier of QBs. But I'm such a lover.

 

[Bmurph]

When Mahomes was drafted, nobody said he was a generational talent. Coming into 2018, nobody thought Mahomes was doing what he did. Opinions change with the wind. I just wanna see more before I put him in the top tier of QBs. For what it's worth, I don't consider Dak in the top tier of QBs. But I'm such a lover.

You are correct, the kid wasn't ever given the credit he was due. Andy Reid did however say trade up and draft him. Even the best prognosticators couldn't have predicted the season he had, in his first year as the starter but the Chiefs moved on from Alex Smith for a reason.

I said after the game he played at TT vs Baker at OU that he was a player the Cowboys should target and do whatever they could to draft him. Lots of folks on the Hoop said he would go undrafted.......HAHA! He went early and has proven that was a good pick. He's not Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady yet but give him a year or so and people will change their tune again. He's gonna be a top QB in this league for awhile

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Wow... this is better than. PE1/Manster fight.
Dallas is loaded with talent all over the field and have been absolutely ridiculous nailing their 1st round picks. But the truth is Dak is only good. No way is he top 10 and probably middle of the pack. He’s a great leader, seems to be a good guy and I’ve heard a hard worker but he will never be a top QB because he doesn’t have the arm talent. He just doesn’t. I’m not trolling. I’m not try to start shit on “your” board but he will never put the team on his shoulders and win. He needs help and the good news is he has it. Great OLine and I think Zeke is the best in the NFL.

 

[UK Cowboy]

When Mahomes was drafted, nobody said he was a generational talent. Coming into 2018, nobody thought Mahomes was doing what he did. Opinions change with the wind. I just wanna see more before I put him in the top tier of QBs. For what it's worth, I don't consider Dak in the top tier of QBs. But I'm such a lover.

Wait, this whole time I've had Dak between 11-15...so you've been bitching over 3-4 slots? Right

 

[Earl Stevens]

Wow... this is better than. PE1/Manster fight.
Dallas is loaded with talent all over the field and have been absolutely ridiculous nailing their 1st round picks. But the truth is Dak is only good. No way is he top 10 and probably middle of the pack. He’s a great leader, seems to be a good guy and I’ve heard a hard worker but he will never be a top QB because he doesn’t have the arm talent. He just doesn’t. I’m not trolling.

Opinions are cute. One could say Brady didn't have the arm talent. After all he was a 6th round pick. Rivers doesn't have the prettiest arm. Brees doesn't have the strongest arm. Jay Cutler, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell had all the arm talent in the world and didn't amount to shit. Romo didn't have the greatest arm talent either. He was undrafted. In other words, arm talent argument doesn't hold any water.

Here are facts:

Dak was top 5 in total QBR in his first two years starting. He dropped to 17th last year in large part due to so many wasted plays last year in getting sacked 56 times in a bad offense, much like how Rodgers was 16th because he wasted so many plays throwing the ball away in a bad offense. A drop off indeed, but something that should normalize next season.

Dak has been top 10 in depth adjusted accuracy every year of his career. Depth adjusted accuracy is one of the more fair stats in judging a QB because it takes into account only how the QB throws the football.

Dak was 12th in deep accuracy last season. Was 4th in 2017. 11th in 16. Basically, above league average every year. Not that horrible deep passer that he's portrayed as.

He has a career 66% completion% despite being in an outdated heavy intermediate passing offense that would be death to many QBs efficiency. In a league where pass defenses can be exploited a lot due to new rules, the Cowboys continue to run an offense like it's still 1993. They consistently run into 8 man boxes instead of throwing more over the top of the defense and utilizing having a good deep ball passer like Dak. Receivers are consistently asked to run stop routes for the majority of the game. And yet, that hasn't hurt Dak's stats much at all except for his passing yardage.

Dak's problem isn't arm talent. Of course he doesn't have the greatest arm, but that's not even an issue and doesn't keep him from being a top 10 range QB. He can't make throws to every level of the field like Aaron Rodgers or Luck, but other QBs really can't either. He has other areas in his game that need work. Like his footwork and feel for pressure in the pocket. Footwork being the biggest issue.

 

[Earl Stevens]

Wait, this whole time I've had Dak between 11-15...so you've been bitching over 3-4 slots? Right

Umm, you jump-started the argument saying Dak isn't better at his position than Zeke, Jaylon, and BJ. I didn't disagree about Zeke. I disagreed about the other two because I need to see more than one season sample size of greatness. Then you start saying shit how I can't name 10 people better than Byron or Jaylon. There was no point to me answering that because BJ and Jaylon both have had mediocre seasons and one great season. It's tough to definitively rank them. It's really easy to rank Zeke. He's definitely at the top of the class of RBs in the NFL.

Then when responding to someone else, you said you can name 10 QBs without question that are better than Dak and I said you can't definitively name 10 QBs better. You put down 10 names, but your list was shit with no evidence to even back it up. Don't make lists or silly declarations like Stafford, Foles, and Baker Mayfield being in Dak's class, if you have no evidence to back it up. I brought evidence suggesting Dak is in the top 10 range and you largely ignored it and accused me of just being a Dak lover. You can't even keep up with the argument.

After Luck, Rodgers, Ryan, Brees, and Brady in the top tier, it gets really crowded who fills out the top 10. You could add Rivers to that top tier list if you wanted, but after those 6, I think Dak is in that range of Wilson, Mariota, Mahomes(because of not enough sample size), and Cam. You can argue for Wilson, Mahomes, Mariota, or Cam over Dak but I think Dak is in their range. Mahomes is an outlier that not only possesses the ability to surpass this range very quickly, but even surpassing the QBs in the top tier. Mariota is criminally underrated just as Dak is and is one of the most accurate QBs in the NFL that isn't top tier. He, like Dak, consistently remains at the top of depth adjusted accuracy rankings with an above league average deep ball. The throws Mariota made against the Cowboys on MNF were not a fluke. He routinely makes them, but his supporting cast is even worse than Dak's and his offensive coordinators have been on par with Dak's.

Dak is closer to Cam, Mariota, and Wilson than he is to overrated players like Mayfield, Stafford, Foles, Goff, Watson, and Wentz who are all clearly less accurate than Dak is at throwing the football. If Dak wasn't overly-criticized every week and the QB of the Dallas Cowboys, he'd be unquestionably considered a top 10 QB. Does anybody remember that period of time when nobody wanted to say Romo was a top 10 QB even though he clearly was? Dak is going through that same shit because of who he plays for. Dak could obviously get worse. It happened to Kaepernick. It's happened to many QBs, but after three years starting, Dak has definitely been a top 10 QB. Nobody just wants to give him credit because they want to give Zeke and supporting cast all the credit. It can be both true that Dak has a good supporting cast, but also still be a great QB.

 

[Sir Robin Of Camelot]

 

[jarntt]

I'm up Dak's ass because he's a great QB. It's just a shame half of this fan base can't appreciate what we have because they read or listen to a bunch of bullshit hot takes that don't accurately evaluate what Dak really is. I have literally posted all kinds of evidence that suggest Dak is a great QB and it's greatly ignored here by people just like you. The fact that you think Stafford and Mayfield are even in Dak league suggests you are clueless as fuck and aren't worth arguing with. The QB with the 6th highest depth adjusted accuracy in the league misses open receivers, but Stafford, the guy who is 29th in the same stat, and Baker Mayfield, who was 32nd, apparently would hit receivers that Dak misses. Dak was literally top 5 in total QBR his first two seasons starting. Dropped this year in large part due to Dak having 6 accurate passes in the endzone being dropped by his intended receiver. Dak has been litreally top 10 in all three of his seasons as a starting QB in depth adjusted accuracy, yet the narrative is that he misses open receivers.

This is a fact not an opinion: Dak is one of the more accurate quarterbacks in the NFL that operates one of the most QB unfriendly intermediate passing offenses in the NFL.

You think this offense is QB friendly simply because he has talent around him. That is absolutely stupid thinking. The Cowboys ask Dak to throw intermediate passes all game, don't utilize playaction nearly enough even though they have a stud RB, don't run screens nearly enough, and don't devise deep shots nearly enough even though Dak is far above league average in deep throws. People say Dak doesn't throw deep. That's false. He doesn't often get the opportunity because receivers are running stop routes 80% of the game. And he rarely has the opportunity to pad his stats with well designed plays like many QBs. Did you know that 17 of Mahomes 53 TDs last year didn't travel more than two yards in the air? 8 of them were screen passes. I'm not saying Mahomes is better than Dak, but he's in a much superior scheme and has a way better play caller calling his plays. To think that an offense is QB friendly simply because of the names on the back of jerseys around him is dumb.

Romo made this outdated offense and scheme work for years because Romo was given the freedom to change plays as he saw fit. Dak hasn't been given that opportunity yet. That's why his stats are suffering This scheme is absolute poison and it's holding back and wasting the potential of an offense that has three All Pro lineman, an All Pro RB, and a potential All Pro QB.

But I'm sure this post, just like many will get ignored and I'll have to explain myself all over again.

Here's the problem Earl. You make excuses for everything Dak does wrong and blame it on others and you give him credit for everything he does well and even things that he doesn't do well - ie. the TE "dropped pass" in the end zone that was a poor throw. You also cherry pick your stats to stress the Dak is great argument. Your Dak comments are identical to those that did the same for Romo. You aren't objective at all on the topic and that's why you get so much crap on the topic. You are right to stress the things Dak does well because there are a lot of them but you don't admit when he doesn't do well and instead blame it on someone else and that kills your credibility on the Dak topic.

I like Dak because he is a flat out winner and comes through for us over and over in big spots. I don't care that most NFL fans think that he only wins because of Zeke and his OL but it does bother me when Cowboy fans say it and when I read what they say they come off as either people who can't get rid of their false belief of who Romo was or whiny fans that expect perfection and look for someone to blame. He is the one that wins us games at crunch time, not Zeke. The OL was not better than NFL average the last two years and he still won games for us. He is IMO the single most important Cowboy and there is no close #2. Zeke is a great player, but not the reason we win. Yes, the play calling and route running has been horrible at times but you need to find ways to succeed in spite of that because on almost every play there is a guy open (even if just one step) and as a QB you need to find him. There have been many, many examples of him not seeing a guy that was open for a huge play that could have changed a game. I don't blame him for that because it happens to every single QB, but he needs to get better at it. He still throws off of his back foot instead of setting and throwing and it effects his accuracy and he often needs to get rid of the ball quicker and see when guys are about to come open so he can get them the ball before the window closes. He has had some big misses on deep balls to Gallup. When a guy has 3 steps you need to complete those passes because it changes the game and opens up everything. Again, I don't blame him for those because it happens to everyone, but he needs to get on the same page with Gallup and I think he will. Those aren't my opinions they are mostly facts, but again he is a young QB and will work on those things and he has been better than almost every QB in the game over his first 3 seasons.

I watch plays like the run against NO or Sea and I think 2 or 3 QBs at most in the game could have made those plays and also complete some of the passes he does. I think he needs to run more because it is a big part of what can make him even better. I saw a stat a couple of months ago where someone carved out a number of games at the end of year two and the beginning of year 3 and showed how fantastic Dak has been and just had a poor spell in the middle. That is how I view him and I expect him to be just as good going forward. I will not be happy if we give him $30M per year, but I'd be more upset if we let him walk.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Umm, you jump-started the argument saying Dak isn't better at his position than Zeke, Jaylon, and BJ. I didn't disagree about Zeke. I disagreed about the other two because I need to see more than one season sample size of greatness. Then you start saying shit how I can't name 10 people better than Byron or Jaylon. There was no point to me answering that because BJ and Jaylon both have had mediocre seasons and one great season. It's tough to definitively rank them. It's really easy to rank Zeke. He's definitely at the top of the class of RBs in the NFL.

Then when responding to someone else, you said you can name 10 QBs without question that are better than Dak and I said you can't definitively name 10 QBs better. You put down 10 names, but your list was shit with no evidence to even back it up. Don't make lists or silly declarations like Stafford, Foles, and Baker Mayfield being in Dak's class, if you have no evidence to back it up. I brought evidence suggesting Dak is in the top 10 range and you largely ignored it and accused me of just being a Dak lover. You can't even keep up with the argument.

After Luck, Rodgers, Ryan, Brees, and Brady in the top tier, it gets really crowded who fills out the top 10. You could add Rivers to that top tier list if you wanted, but after those 6, I think Dak is in that range of Wilson, Mariota, Mahomes(because of not enough sample size), and Cam. You can argue for Wilson, Mahomes, Mariota, or Cam over Dak but I think Dak is in their range. Mahomes is an outlier that not only possesses the ability to surpass this range very quickly, but even surpassing the QBs in the top tier. Mariota is criminally underrated just as Dak is and is one of the most accurate QBs in the NFL that isn't top tier. He, like Dak, consistently remains at the top of depth adjusted accuracy rankings with an above league average deep ball. The throws Mariota made against the Cowboys on MNF were not a fluke. He routinely makes them, but his supporting cast is even worse than Dak's and his offensive coordinators have been on par with Dak's.

Dak is closer to Cam, Mariota, and Wilson than he is to overrated players like Mayfield, Stafford, Foles, Goff, Watson, and Wentz who are all clearly less accurate than Dak is at throwing the football. If Dak wasn't overly-criticized every week and the QB of the Dallas Cowboys, he'd be unquestionably considered a top 10 QB. Does anybody remember that period of time when nobody wanted to say Romo was a top 10 QB even though he clearly was? Dak is going through that same shit because of who he plays for. Dak could obviously get worse. It happened to Kaepernick. It's happened to many QBs, but after three years starting, Dak has definitely been a top 10 QB. Nobody just wants to give him credit because they want to give Zeke and supporting cast all the credit. It can be both true that Dak has a good supporting cast, but also still be a great QB.

You said they shouldn't even consider resigning Zeke, Jaylon and Byron. That stupidity is what started this. Enough

 

[UK Cowboy]

Here's the problem Earl. You make excuses for everything Dak does wrong and blame it on others and you give him credit for everything he does well and even things that he doesn't do well - ie. the TE "dropped pass" in the end zone that was a poor throw. You also cherry pick your stats to stress the Dak is great argument. Your Dak comments are identical to those that did the same for Romo. You aren't objective at all on the topic and that's why you get so much crap on the topic. You are right to stress the things Dak does well because there are a lot of them but you don't admit when he doesn't do well and instead blame it on someone else and that kills your credibility on the Dak topic.

I like Dak because he is a flat out winner and comes through for us over and over in big spots. I don't care that most NFL fans think that he only wins because of Zeke and his OL but it does bother me when Cowboy fans say it and when I read what they say they come off as either people who can't get rid of their false belief of who Romo was or whiny fans that expect perfection and look for someone to blame. He is the one that wins us games at crunch time, not Zeke. The OL was not better than NFL average the last two years and he still won games for us. He is IMO the single most important Cowboy and there is no close #2. Zeke is a great player, but not the reason we win. Yes, the play calling and route running has been horrible at times but you need to find ways to succeed in spite of that because on almost every play there is a guy open (even if just one step) and as a QB you need to find him. There have been many, many examples of him not seeing a guy that was open for a huge play that could have changed a game. I don't blame him for that because it happens to every single QB, but he needs to get better at it. He still throws off of his back foot instead of setting and throwing and it effects his accuracy and he often needs to get rid of the ball quicker and see when guys are about to come open so he can get them the ball before the window closes. He has had some big misses on deep balls to Gallup. When a guy has 3 steps you need to complete those passes because it changes the game and opens up everything. Again, I don't blame him for those because it happens to everyone, but he needs to get on the same page with Gallup and I think he will. Those aren't my opinions they are mostly facts, but again he is a young QB and will work on those things and he has been better than almost every QB in the game over his first 3 seasons.

I watch plays like the run against NO or Sea and I think 2 or 3 QBs at most in the game could have made those plays and also complete some of the passes he does. I think he needs to run more because it is a big part of what can make him even better. I saw a stat a couple of months ago where someone carved out a number of games at the end of year two and the beginning of year 3 and showed how fantastic Dak has been and just had a poor spell in the middle. That is how I view him and I expect him to be just as good going forward. I will not be happy if we give him $30M per year, but I'd be more upset if we let him walk.

Yep

 

[Manster7588]

DAK falls in a large group between 5 and 15. I have no issue with those saying he's not top 10, because at times he's not, but on the other side of the coin he is.

I don't consider him elite, but he is a Franchise QB IMO.

As for those saying there is no way he's top 10 I say you're off you rocker.