Quinn

[Bmurph]

Tier 5: Guys, Veterans And Place Holders
2017: Alex Smith, Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer, Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, Mike Glennon, Sam Bradford
2018: Manning, Flacco, Dalton, Blake Bortles, McCown
2019: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Dalton, Flacco, Mariota

Mariota is not young, he continues to be perpetually banged up, he now has Tannehill breathing down his neck and he is dealing with another change at coordinator. Not good. Fitz-magic will last a month or so, then age and interceptions catch up. The Dolphins aren't worried about 2019, anyway. Flacco could face competition in Denver's 2019 draft as he did in Baltimore's a year ago, and Dalton's future is also in the balance if a new rookie head coach with close ties to McVay (Zac Taylor) can't cull more from that offense this year. Very tradable contract if/when the Bengals do move on.

Tier 6: Good Luck
2017: Bortles
2018: Bradford, Tannehill
2019: Manning, Keenum

I shoulda never let Bortles' middling 2017 playoff performance fool me into bumping him up a peg. Shame on me. The Giants continue to live in an alternative universe where Manning is not only a starting NFL QB, but one who should be empowered and buttressed and prolonged. Have fun running the ball without Odell Beckhamrunning routes. Keenum in Washington, with a head coach waiting for the guillotine and a roster destroyed by Bruce Allen, will be a disaster. And then they'll turn to Colt McCoy and that will be a disaster, too, and if I am Rosen I am praying this is not where I am dealt.

Tier 7: The Verdict Is Out
2017: Goff, Paxton Lynch
2018: Mahomes, Trubisky, Josh Allen
2019: Allen, Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray

 

[UK Cowboy]

Yeah, except that would ruin a thing called a hierarchy between the coach and QB. A QB just can't change plays unless he's allowed to. Dak doesn't have the control or experience that Romo had to overrule plays. Like PDay has said several times for as long as I've known him, some people should just read posts and learn instead of posting.

That's BS and you know it. He's going into his 4th year, he can call an audible. I'm tired of arguing about a kid I've liked since he was at Miss. State.

 

[Earl Stevens]

He's a good QB. He is not a great QB. He could be in a couple of years if he cleans up some things like deep ball accuracy and getting rid of the ball quicker, and not fumbling as much

And Mahomes is better than Dak. Good Lord dumbass...

Dak is among the top QBs in the league in deep accuracy. And Dak has no issue getting the ball out quickly unless literally everybody is running a stop route. Dak fumbles no more than any other quarterback. This is idiotic criticism based on absolutely nothing.

 

[UK Cowboy]

2019 NFL QB tiers: Who's a franchise guy? A rising star? A place holder? Here's where your starter ranks

Jason La Canfora revisits his tiers from the last two seasons and reveals his new quarterback rankings

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  • by Jason La Canfora
  • @JasonLaCanfora
  • Apr 5, 2019 at 12:11 pm ET • 8 min

Welcome to my third-annual attempt to clump and categorize the NFL's starting quarterbacks.

The first two years I created this strata, it was a labor of love. I poured over it for hour after hour and went back-and-forth on how to divide the tiers and how much to factor in past production. It would take on two or three incarnations in a notebook before I took to the laptop to write up a proper column. But things went a little smoother this time around.

This year, it was far less arduous. Perhaps it's me patting myself on the back, because I didn't feel like much had to change from the 2018 list, save for some obvious new additions (PATRICK BLEEPIN MAHOMES) and with guys who I had in the bottom tier for veterans, already in 2018, losing their starting gigs in 2019 (Sam Bradford and Ryan Tannehill, anyone?). Basically, things just fell into place.

The biggest changes came in Tier 3 (Rising Stars), which, frankly, I've been a little too liberal with in the past. I've whiffed on projecting a breakthrough for too many young quarterbacks who have either regressed or simply failed to take off, so I am cutting down from eight Rising Stars a year ago to just four in 2019. And yes, this does involve my own opinions and projections, and is not based on some statistical equation or advanced formula.

It's subjective, and, well, subject to change – as in next spring, when I do it all again. But I tend to like the tiers I created and, aside from over-valuing what Kirk Cousins, Tyrod Taylor and Case Keenum might be able to accomplish in new locales a year ago, I can't quibble too much with what I did in 2018. Age and injuries knocked some from the list – inevitable in this sport – and with so few QBs from the upcoming draft expected to start right away (aside from first-overall pick Kyler Murray), I am comfortable going with these 32 guys (if Josh Rosen is dealt to Washington, and displaces Keenum as the starter, feel free to project him into Tier 7: The Verdict Is Out. The Cardinals tried like hell to break him in half as a rookie, but he hung in there and deserves better someplace else).

On to the list …

Tier 1: Bona Fide Franchise Quarterbacks
2017: Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Cam Newton
2018: Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Brees, Roethlisberger, Newton, Carson Wentz
2019: Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Brees, Roethlisberger, Newton, Patrick Mahomes, Andrew Luck

This is the highest of terrain, reserved for men who have won MVPs and rings, or, in several cases, both. It isn't easy to crack, but Mahomes, throwing 50 touchdowns passes in what amounts to his rookie season and nearly slaying the Pats to get to the Super Bowl, um, yeah, that will qualify. Wentz drops down, with injuries slowing his ascent, though I could see him right back here in 2020. I believe Newton will have a bounce-back season as well: I like the assemblage of talent around him and a second year with Norv Turner will produce some big things in Carolina, says here. It's time for Rodgers to start playing week in and week out like an MVP, too, and we'll see how his relationship develops with novice head coach Matt LaFleur. Luck has been destined for this tier for a while, and with the way he played last year, after missing so much time to serious injury and worrying if he'd ever make it back, I suspect that by January no one is arguing against him being in the top eight passers on the planet.

Tier 2: Top Pros, Proven Winners
2017: Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Derek Carr, Matt Stafford, Tony Romo
2018: Ryan, Rivers, Stafford, Kirk Cousins
2019: Ryan, Rivers, Baker Mayfield, Deshaun Watson

I am still kicking myself for going against my gut and putting Manning in this slot two years ago. Belonged way down. Anywho, Ryan and Rivers speak for themselves, and normally a guy like Mayfield would probably be in Tier 3 after less than a season under center. But he won, regularly, with a Browns team that had not won anything for like two years, and he did it despite Hue Jackson still being the head coach at the time. The kid will be Tier 1 next spring and I came damn close to putting him there today. Watson bounced back with aplomb from an ACL tear, and maybe this year the Texans will actually start protecting him from getting pummeled most weekends. Might be a novel approach, with J.J. Watt not getting any younger and this kid being the franchise and all.

Tier 3: Rising Stars
2017: Dak Prescott, Wentz, Luck, Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston, Jimmy Garoppolo
2018: Garoppolo, Prescott, Winston, Mariota, Watson, Derek Carr, Jared Goff
2019: Wentz, Sam Darnold, Goff, Garoppolo

This is the domain for those with immense upside and youth on their side, who I believe will be knocking on the door of a top 10-12 QB when the upcoming season is all said and done. And, yeah, I have been too lenient with entrance to this club in the past. It's difficult to pick precisely which first and second year QBs will really take a leap forward, and injuries have been a factor here. If Wentz stays healthy he moves up next year, Darnold will do big things in Year 2 and Kyle Shanahan will get a lot out of Jimmy G, trust me, even coming off surgery. With the Rams now the hunted and with Todd Gurley's health a subject of debate and conjecture, will Goff take another leap forward? Even with the genius of Sean McVay behind him, I'm not certain he joins the truly elite. There are some limitations. If all goes well, guys in this category could have Pro Bowls and accolades in their future.

Tier 4: You Can Win With Them
2017: Cousins, Andy Dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Tannehill
2018: Alex Smith, Case Keenum, Taylor
2019: Cousins, Stafford, Prescott, Carr, Winston, Nick Foles, Mitch Trubisky

Pressure is on Cousins to deliver in January, big time. He needs to beat good teams. Stafford's arm talent and toughness are unquestioned, but he's been increasingly under scrutiny and that contract is a monster. Prescott is about to get paid like a top QB, but I remain a skeptic about him advancing beyond what he is, and the inability to push the ball downfield much is a problem. If Carr doesn't produce with the new cast of talent put around him, Jon Gruden will make him the next big-name player traded out of Oakland. Foles' recent resume keeps him out of Tier 5, though I think he'll have a hard time thriving with the Jaguars having arguably the worst skill players in the NFL around him. Bruce Arians' arrival in Tampa could save Winston, and I'm willing to bet on that working out. Plenty of people are anointing Trubisky, but I want to see him play better outside of the scripted first quarter and handle a bigger role. The Bears have a tougher schedule ahead and if that defense slips just a little … With all of these guys, if there is enough around them they can help you win games, but expecting them to be able to carry your team is probably asking too much.

Good Lord, don't let Earl see this, it's so close to what I posted he will think I wrote it
Dak at 13... about right

 

[Earl Stevens]

That's BS and you know it. He's going into his 4th year, he can call an audible. I'm tired of arguing about a kid I've liked since he was at Miss. State.

What's bs? A QB cannot fucking change plays all the time unless he's allowed to. I didn't say Dak couldn't call an audible. I'm saying if he does it too much, it becomes an issue unless he has more control like Romo had. There is a hierarchy between coach and QB. Are you fucking retarded or trolling?

 

[UK Cowboy]

What's bs? A QB cannot fucking change plays all the time unless he's allowed to. I didn't say Dak couldn't call an audible. I'm saying if he does it too much, it becomes an issue unless he has more control like Romo had. There is a hierarchy between coach and QB. Are you fucking retarded or trolling?

Are you Dak's mom or his Lover, I really can't tell anymore?

 

[Earl Stevens]

Good Lord, don't let Earl see this, it's so close to what I posted he will think I wrote it
Dak at 13... about right

That list is shit.

 

[UK Cowboy]

That list is shit.

No, you are

 

[Earl Stevens]

Are you Dak's mom or his Lover, I really can't tell anymore?

It doesn't fucking matter who I am. I'm posting facts. You're posting moronic opinions that make no sense.

 

[UK Cowboy]

It doesn't fucking matter who I am. I'm posting facts. You're posting moronic opinions that make no sense.

No one who isn't a Dak/Dallas fan would compare him to Mahomes or say he is a top 5 guy. You are a simple fanboy

 

[Earl Stevens]

No, you are

I'm consisent. You're all over the place. On one hand, you're like, I like Dak, but yet say dumb and inaccurate shit to tear him down. In your own list, you say Dak is better than Big Ben, now here you are agreeing with a list that has Big Ben as a Tier 1 QB. This is probably because you don't have an opinion on your own and just say dumb shit you've heard from hot take personalities instead of doing your own research and studying film.

 

[Earl Stevens]

No one who isn't a Dak/Dallas fan would compare him to Mahomes or say he is a top 5 guy. You are a simple fanboy

You don't speak for the entire fan base. I never said Dak was better than Mahomes. I'm saying I'm not crowning Mahomes anything after one season, especially when he has that supporting cast and that scheme+coach around him.

 

[UK Cowboy]

I'm consisent. You're all over the place. On one hand, you're like, I like Dak, but yet say dumb and inaccurate shit to tear him down. In your own list, you say Dak is better than Big Ben, now here you are agreeing with a list that has Big Ben as a Tier 1 QB. This is probably because you don't have an opinion on your own and just say dumb shit you've heard from hot take personalities instead of doing your own research and studying film.

That's how far up his ass you are...look at what I have said, fool...Top 10-15 QB...that's not an insult jackass

 

[Earl Stevens]

That's how far up his ass you are...look at what I have said, fool...Top 10-15 QB...that's not an insult jackass

Questioning his accuracy(when he's statistically among the elite in accuracy), his deep ball(when he's well above league average in his first three years starting), his ability to get the ball out quick(only has one abnormal season of taking a lot of sacks and that was without Frederick), suggesting that Stafford and Baker(after one season) are even in his league, and suggesting he's the same as Foles, Goff, and Wentz? That's 100% insulting him. You said all this shit. You can't even keep up with all the dumb shit you say. You can keep saying dumb shit all you want but fact is, all the advanced metrics suggest Dak is much closer to a top 5 QB than a QB in a the 10-15 range. And that's pretty outstanding considering the scheme he's in favors his RB more than it favors him.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Questioning his accuracy(when he's statistically among the elite in accuracy), his deep ball(when he's well above league average in his first three years starting), his ability to get the ball out quick(only has one abnormal season of taking a lot of sacks and that was without Frederick), suggesting that Stafford and Baker(after one season) are even in his league, and suggesting he's the same as Foles, Goff, and Wentz? That's 100% insulting him. You said all this shit. You can't even keep up with all the dumb shit you say. You can keep saying dumb shit all you want but fact is, all the advanced metrics suggest Dak is much closer to a top 5 QB than a QB in a the 10-15 range. And that's pretty outstanding considering the scheme he's in favors his RB more than it favors him.

Fuck, are you carrying his baby?

 

[PDay8810]

2019 NFL QB tiers: Who's a franchise guy? A rising star? A place holder? Here's where your starter ranks

Jason La Canfora revisits his tiers from the last two seasons and reveals his new quarterback rankings

• 
  
  
  • by Jason La Canfora
  • @JasonLaCanfora
  • Apr 5, 2019 at 12:11 pm ET • 8 min

Welcome to my third-annual attempt to clump and categorize the NFL's starting quarterbacks.

The first two years I created this strata, it was a labor of love. I poured over it for hour after hour and went back-and-forth on how to divide the tiers and how much to factor in past production. It would take on two or three incarnations in a notebook before I took to the laptop to write up a proper column. But things went a little smoother this time around.

This year, it was far less arduous. Perhaps it's me patting myself on the back, because I didn't feel like much had to change from the 2018 list, save for some obvious new additions (PATRICK BLEEPIN MAHOMES) and with guys who I had in the bottom tier for veterans, already in 2018, losing their starting gigs in 2019 (Sam Bradford and Ryan Tannehill, anyone?). Basically, things just fell into place.

The biggest changes came in Tier 3 (Rising Stars), which, frankly, I've been a little too liberal with in the past. I've whiffed on projecting a breakthrough for too many young quarterbacks who have either regressed or simply failed to take off, so I am cutting down from eight Rising Stars a year ago to just four in 2019. And yes, this does involve my own opinions and projections, and is not based on some statistical equation or advanced formula.

It's subjective, and, well, subject to change – as in next spring, when I do it all again. But I tend to like the tiers I created and, aside from over-valuing what Kirk Cousins, Tyrod Taylor and Case Keenum might be able to accomplish in new locales a year ago, I can't quibble too much with what I did in 2018. Age and injuries knocked some from the list – inevitable in this sport – and with so few QBs from the upcoming draft expected to start right away (aside from first-overall pick Kyler Murray), I am comfortable going with these 32 guys (if Josh Rosen is dealt to Washington, and displaces Keenum as the starter, feel free to project him into Tier 7: The Verdict Is Out. The Cardinals tried like hell to break him in half as a rookie, but he hung in there and deserves better someplace else).

On to the list …

Tier 1: Bona Fide Franchise Quarterbacks
2017: Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Cam Newton
2018: Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Brees, Roethlisberger, Newton, Carson Wentz
2019: Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Brees, Roethlisberger, Newton, Patrick Mahomes, Andrew Luck

This is the highest of terrain, reserved for men who have won MVPs and rings, or, in several cases, both. It isn't easy to crack, but Mahomes, throwing 50 touchdowns passes in what amounts to his rookie season and nearly slaying the Pats to get to the Super Bowl, um, yeah, that will qualify. Wentz drops down, with injuries slowing his ascent, though I could see him right back here in 2020. I believe Newton will have a bounce-back season as well: I like the assemblage of talent around him and a second year with Norv Turner will produce some big things in Carolina, says here. It's time for Rodgers to start playing week in and week out like an MVP, too, and we'll see how his relationship develops with novice head coach Matt LaFleur. Luck has been destined for this tier for a while, and with the way he played last year, after missing so much time to serious injury and worrying if he'd ever make it back, I suspect that by January no one is arguing against him being in the top eight passers on the planet.

Tier 2: Top Pros, Proven Winners
2017: Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Derek Carr, Matt Stafford, Tony Romo
2018: Ryan, Rivers, Stafford, Kirk Cousins
2019: Ryan, Rivers, Baker Mayfield, Deshaun Watson

I am still kicking myself for going against my gut and putting Manning in this slot two years ago. Belonged way down. Anywho, Ryan and Rivers speak for themselves, and normally a guy like Mayfield would probably be in Tier 3 after less than a season under center. But he won, regularly, with a Browns team that had not won anything for like two years, and he did it despite Hue Jackson still being the head coach at the time. The kid will be Tier 1 next spring and I came damn close to putting him there today. Watson bounced back with aplomb from an ACL tear, and maybe this year the Texans will actually start protecting him from getting pummeled most weekends. Might be a novel approach, with J.J. Watt not getting any younger and this kid being the franchise and all.

Tier 3: Rising Stars
2017: Dak Prescott, Wentz, Luck, Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston, Jimmy Garoppolo
2018: Garoppolo, Prescott, Winston, Mariota, Watson, Derek Carr, Jared Goff
2019: Wentz, Sam Darnold, Goff, Garoppolo

This is the domain for those with immense upside and youth on their side, who I believe will be knocking on the door of a top 10-12 QB when the upcoming season is all said and done. And, yeah, I have been too lenient with entrance to this club in the past. It's difficult to pick precisely which first and second year QBs will really take a leap forward, and injuries have been a factor here. If Wentz stays healthy he moves up next year, Darnold will do big things in Year 2 and Kyle Shanahan will get a lot out of Jimmy G, trust me, even coming off surgery. With the Rams now the hunted and with Todd Gurley's health a subject of debate and conjecture, will Goff take another leap forward? Even with the genius of Sean McVay behind him, I'm not certain he joins the truly elite. There are some limitations. If all goes well, guys in this category could have Pro Bowls and accolades in their future.

Tier 4: You Can Win With Them
2017: Cousins, Andy Dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Tannehill
2018: Alex Smith, Case Keenum, Taylor
2019: Cousins, Stafford, Prescott, Carr, Winston, Nick Foles, Mitch Trubisky

Pressure is on Cousins to deliver in January, big time. He needs to beat good teams. Stafford's arm talent and toughness are unquestioned, but he's been increasingly under scrutiny and that contract is a monster. Prescott is about to get paid like a top QB, but I remain a skeptic about him advancing beyond what he is, and the inability to push the ball downfield much is a problem. If Carr doesn't produce with the new cast of talent put around him, Jon Gruden will make him the next big-name player traded out of Oakland. Foles' recent resume keeps him out of Tier 5, though I think he'll have a hard time thriving with the Jaguars having arguably the worst skill players in the NFL around him. Bruce Arians' arrival in Tampa could save Winston, and I'm willing to bet on that working out. Plenty of people are anointing Trubisky, but I want to see him play better outside of the scripted first quarter and handle a bigger role. The Bears have a tougher schedule ahead and if that defense slips just a little … With all of these guys, if there is enough around them they can help you win games, but expecting them to be able to carry your team is probably asking too much.

in all fairness....this is just another opinion based on what every mediahead says.

I remain sure Dak is a very good QB, great leader and darn sure don't consider him the problem as so many cowboy fans seem to do. Most think Elliott stirs the drink in Dallas...NOT ME!

GO COWBOYS!!

 

[Bmurph]

in all fairness....this is just another opinion based on what every mediahead says.

I remain sure Dak is a very good QB, great leader and darn sure don't consider him the problem as so many cowboy fans seem to do. Most think Elliott stirs the drink in Dallas...NOT ME!

GO COWBOYS!!

Oh I just posted it because it popped up on CBS while I was looking at baseball scores and since there was this discussion going on, I figured I would share. I think Dak is a good QB but I am certain he isn't top 5 currently. None of this means he cant be in the top 10 or maybe even top 5 at some point. Elliott gets the credit because he gets the touches and thus has solid numbers.

I dont know if Dak would perform better with more chances or not but I would like to see him with more opportunities to open up the offense.

I am excited to see what happens in the draft and what the defense can do again next season. Go Cowboys!

 

[Earl Stevens]

Fuck, are you carrying his baby?

Are you carrying Mahomes baby? You compared him to Trout.

This is a gotdamn Cowboy Board. If you have a problem with a fucking Cowboy fan posting facts and forming opinions of the Cowboys starting QB based on factual data instead of hot takes, then you shouldn't fucking respond. Am I on the fucking Eagles Board or something? Because having to defend Dak from erroneous criticism is really becoming annoying. If you're going to criticize him, criticize him for shit that makes sense. Criticizing Dak for accuracy is one of the dumbest fucking things this fan base does.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Oh I just posted it because it popped up on CBS while I was looking at baseball scores and since there was this discussion going on, I figured I would share. I think Dak is a good QB but I am certain he isn't top 5 currently. None of this means he cant be in the top 10 or maybe even top 5 at some point. Elliott gets the credit because he gets the touches and thus has solid numbers.

I dont know if Dak would perform better with more chances or not but I would like to see him with more opportunities to open up the offense.

I am excited to see what happens in the draft and what the defense can do again next season. Go Cowboys!

Exactly right. Dak is a good QB, might even win a Super Bowl or two IF we can keep our talent together. Part of that will be him taking 27-28 instead of 32-33 and getting paid like a top 10 guy and not a top 5 guy

 

[UK Cowboy]

Are you carrying Mahomes baby? You compared him to Trout.

This is a gotdamn Cowboy Board. If you have a problem with a fucking Cowboy fan posting facts and forming opinions of the Cowboys starting QB based on factual data instead of hot takes, then you shouldn't fucking respond. Am I on the fucking Eagles Board or something? Because having to defend Dak from erroneous criticism is really becoming annoying. If you're going to criticize him, criticize him for shit that makes sense. Criticizing Dak for accuracy is one of the dumbest fucking things this fan base does.

I'm sure Dak critsizes himself for his deep ball accuracy as well as his coaches. That's how you improve, goof. I can post 9-10 wide open recievers that Dak overthrew by 5 yards. That's not to say he can't get better. I've said many times that when he cleans a few things up he could be great. You just throw a baby fit every time someone critiques him. You apparently consider him perfect. Meanwhile, you say the Cowboys shouldn't even CONSIDER resigning Zeke, Jaylon and BJ. Clueless