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Maybe if not for the auto-correct on brakes......You here to troll too?

I'm not here to troll!

On the contrary, I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass....
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Smith, Jones, and Zeke shouldn't even be even considered keeping at this point.

Zeke-381 touches last year and he isn't the receiver we thought he'd be in the passing game. Can't give him a big deal. By the numbers, he caught 77 passes last year, but that's because he was force fed too much and the efficiency in passes to Zeke was very low.

Jones- Was a bust until last year and clearly regressed at the end of last season. Was a complete asswipe in Rams playoff game. The injury excuse doesn't fly. Everybody is playing hurt at the end of seasons. Interceptions aren't the end all be all stat, but giving a CB that catches absolutely no interceptions a big contract makes little sense to me. You gotta have ball skills to get big money. . Byron has none.

Smith- Has really limited football instincts unlike LVE and Lee and makes plays mostly on athleticism. I love Smith. Love his comeback story, and pray that his football instincts come back being two years removed, but at this point, his instincts are a big red flag right now. DLine covers a lot of Jaylon flaws and when the DLine got gassed against Colts and Rams, Jaylon was heavily exposed.
Sorry, but that opening comment is a head scratcher. "Shouldn't even be considered"??? 3 Huge players for us last year and reasons we won the division. You don't win in the NFL by losing your best players and there is no guarantee you replace your best players in the draft and certainly not when you don't have a first round pick. What is your plan for the $100M we are under the cap for next year? Save it? Me, I'm trying to win a championship and resigning D Law to that HUGE contract would be asinine if you aren't even considering keeping Jones and Smith after this year (Zeke we have more time) because then you are kind of starting over. My goal is to keep as many of our top players as possible and I think we only lose one or two of them at most. I'm letting guys like Collins, Crawford, etc go first.
 

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Paying for LVE, definitely worth it. He has Luke Kuechly written all over him. I really don't know about Smith yet.. The athleticism is rare but the football instincts are Bradie James like. Nobody wants to say anything bad about Smith because he's come so far from where he was and is a great comeback story. But I'm just telling it like it is. Jaylon's path to the football on running plays needs to improve big time. He's been good, but he could play much better. The Rams game was an ugly look. It reminded me a lot of 2017 when Lee got hurt and our run defense suffered because of how bad Jaylon was at taking paths to the football.
First off Smith's instincts are nowhere near as poor as Bradie James. I agree that they aren't what I expected after seeing him in College and do cost us from time to time but he makes up for it with his blazing speed at times and his strengths in other areas. There are no perfect players in the NFL. That play at the goal line where he beat Watson to the angle wasn't just a big play, it was a play that maybe one or two other ILBs in the NFL could have made. I also read the other day where he was one of the highest ranked pass rushing ILB and his coverage last year was much better and I think he keeps improving there too. So good with the bad, no?

 

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Sorry, but that opening comment is a head scratcher. "Shouldn't even be considered"??? 3 Huge players for us last year and reasons we won the division. You don't win in the NFL by losing your best players and there is no guarantee you replace your best players in the draft and certainly not when you don't have a first round pick. What is your plan for the $100M we are under the cap for next year? Save it? Me, I'm trying to win a championship and resigning D Law to that HUGE contract would be asinine if you aren't even considering keeping Jones and Smith after this year (Zeke we have more time) because then you are kind of starting over. My goal is to keep as many of our top players as possible and I think we only lose one or two of them at most. I'm letting guys like Collins, Crawford, etc go first.
Totally agree. Can you imagine where this team is if we let go of Zeke, Jaylon and BJ...How did we fair without Zeke a couple of years ago?
Looking at this team and our cap, the Cowboys have handled this about as perfect as you can. If we let go of Fleming and Crawford next year, we are like $112 under the cap...provided the cap doesn't go up further than expected. And that's with DLaw included. All this team needs to do is draft well this year and next, something they have been doing for 6-7 years. Even without a #1, they will add 4-5 rookies that will make the roster, next year 5-6. That's an extra 10 players on rookie deals, meaning they will still have $90 million with 10 less spots to fill. All they have to do is continue to be FAIR, as they were with DLaw. If Zeke wants $18 million...fine. If Coop wants the same, that's fine too. If Dak wants as much as $27-28(too much to me, but fair) that's fine too. You just can't overpay them by making each the highest paid at their position. Pay them what they DESERVE, if they refuse, let them walk. Any of them
 

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Zeke is by a mile. Name 10 guys better than BJ and Jaylon at their respective positions....case closed
Last year both were top 5. We will find out this year if they can do it again. Jaylon with only his second healthy year and Jones with his second year back at CB and in a new system and hopefully the hip surgery was the reason for the decline at the end of last year. A CB with a hip problem is about as bad as it gets, no? Guy was over the top fantastic for most of last year. I'm not a PFF guy as any more than a general guide but he was the top CB in the NFL for most of the year according to their ranking system. It was mind boggling how well he played. He could regress a little and still be worth a huge contract.
 

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First off Smith's instincts are nowhere near as poor as Bradie James. I agree that they aren't what I expected after seeing him in College and do cost us from time to time but he makes up for it with his blazing speed at times and his strengths in other areas. There are no perfect players in the NFL. That play at the goal line where he beat Watson to the angle wasn't just a big play, it was a play that maybe one or two other ILBs in the NFL could have made. I also read the other day where he was one of the highest ranked pass rushing ILB and his coverage last year was much better and I think he keeps improving there too. So good with the bad, no?

Jaylon is closer to a young Junior Seau than a young Bradie James
 

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Last year both were top 5. We will find out this year if they can do it again. Jaylon with only his second healthy year and Jones with his second year back at CB and in a new system and hopefully the hip surgery was the reason for the decline at the end of last year. A CB with a hip problem is about as bad as it gets, no? Guy was over the top fantastic for most of last year. I'm not a PFF guy as any more than a general guide but he was the top CB in the NFL for most of the year according to their ranking system. It was mind boggling how well he played. He could regress a little and still be worth a huge contract.
Yep. I like Dak and want to resign him, he is a very good young player. But I can name 10 QB's that are without question better just off the top of my head. The three guys Earl named are top 5 guys or better at their positions. To me, they are just as big a priority
 

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First off Smith's instincts are nowhere near as poor as Bradie James. I agree that they aren't what I expected after seeing him in College and do cost us from time to time but he makes up for it with his blazing speed at times and his strengths in other areas. There are no perfect players in the NFL. That play at the goal line where he beat Watson to the angle wasn't just a big play, it was a play that maybe one or two other ILBs in the NFL could have made. I also read the other day where he was one of the highest ranked pass rushing ILB and his coverage last year was much better and I think he keeps improving there too. So good with the bad, no?

Like I said, rare athleticism for a LB, but not the greatest football instincts.
 

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Sorry, but that opening comment is a head scratcher. "Shouldn't even be considered"??? 3 Huge players for us last year and reasons we won the division. You don't win in the NFL by losing your best players and there is no guarantee you replace your best players in the draft and certainly not when you don't have a first round pick. What is your plan for the $100M we are under the cap for next year? Save it? Me, I'm trying to win a championship and resigning D Law to that HUGE contract would be asinine if you aren't even considering keeping Jones and Smith after this year (Zeke we have more time) because then you are kind of starting over. My goal is to keep as many of our top players as possible and I think we only lose one or two of them at most. I'm letting guys like Collins, Crawford, etc go first.
I just explained why they shouldn't be considered. Zeke would have had 400 touches last year if he played all 16. He's gonna be near 400 touches again this year. No reason to pay an RB that's gonna have his amount of wear and tear big money. Not sold on Byron Jones and Smith. If you want to win a championship, you need to be willing to learn how to let go of players like the Pats do and replace them.
 

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Yep. I like Dak and want to resign him, he is a very good young player. But I can name 10 QB's that are without question better just off the top of my head. The three guys Earl named are top 5 guys or better at their positions. To me, they are just as big a priority
If you can name 10 unequivocally better, then you'd be 100% wrong. Dak was statistically the 6th most accurate QB last year and has been top 10 in accuracy for 3 straight seasons, but yeah, 10 QBs are better.
 

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Totally agree. Can you imagine where this team is if we let go of Zeke, Jaylon and BJ...How did we fair without Zeke a couple of years ago?
Can you imagine where this team would be if we lost Romo, DeMarco Murray, DeMarcus Ware, Dez Bryant, Jason Witten, or Sean Lee? Oh yeah, they won a playoff game without them.
 

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Zeke is by a mile. Name 10 guys better than BJ and Jaylon at their respective positions....case closed
Dak has been top 10 at QB for three straight years in terms of accuracy, was rookie of the year, has led Dallas to two division titles in three years, but you can easily name 10 QBs better than him, but BJ and Jaylon have one great season, and they are without question top 10 at their positions? Your logic is seriously flawed. You are probably one of those kneejerk people that think Pat Mahomes is unquestionably better than Dak after one year starting when he had a way better offensive coordinator in a much more QB friendly offense and way better weapons around him.
 

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Dak has been top 10 at QB for three straight years in terms of accuracy, was rookie of the year, has led Dallas to two division titles in three years, but you can easily name 10 QBs better than him, but BJ and Jaylon have one great season, and they are without question top 10 at their positions? Your logic is seriously flawed. You are probably one of those kneejerk people that think Pat Mahomes is unquestionably better than Dak after one year starting when he had a way better offensive coordinator in a much more QB friendly offense and way better weapons around him.
The fact that you would argue Dak vs Mahomes speaks to how biased you are towards Dak. Who is more delusional Earl, the guy who says he would cut Dak off at $28 million or the guy comparing him to Mahomes
 

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The fact that you would argue Dak vs Mahomes speaks to how biased you are towards Dak. Who is more delusional Earl, the guy who says he would cut Dak off at $28 million or the guy comparing him to Mahomes
There's no bias. I just don't overreact to one season like you people do. Even though there is plenty of data that suggests Dak is a top 10 QB, you still think 10 are better than him, yet I'm the one that's biased.
 

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If you can name 10 unequivocally better, then you'd be 100% wrong. Dak was statistically the 6th most accurate QB last year and has been top 10 in accuracy for 3 straight seasons, but yeah, 10 QBs are better.
Again, I like Dak, saying Tony Romo wasn't as good as Tom Brady isn't bashing, it's being honest.

10 better...
Brady
Rodgers
Brees
Mahomes
Wilson
Rivers
Luck
Ryan
Newton
Watson

About the same as
Mayfield
Foles
Wentz
Goff
Stafford

A little better than
Roethlisberger(strictly age)
Cousins
Winston
Mariota
Garoppolo
L Jackson
All the rest

Dak does a great job, but he is surrounded by the most young talent in the NFL. Any of the ''better than'' and ''same as'' would win with this supporting cast
 

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Again, I like Dak, saying Tony Romo wasn't as good as Tom Brady isn't bashing, it's being honest.

10 better...
Brady
Rodgers
Brees
Mahomes
Wilson
Rivers
Luck
Ryan
Newton
Watson

About the same as
Mayfield
Foles
Wentz
Goff
Stafford

A little better than
Roethlisberger(strictly age)
Cousins
Winston
Mariota
Garoppolo
L Jackson
All the rest

Dak does a great job, but he is surrounded by the most young talent in the NFL. Any of the ''better than'' and ''same as'' would win with this supporting cast
Most terrible QB evaluation list and explanation I've ever seen posted.
 

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I'm not here to troll!

On the contrary, I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass....
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More like chew bubblegum and kick rocks.......now get to kicking!
 
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