Ok... it’s time to get serious about TWO certitudes regarding 49ers QBs

[NWPATSFAN]

This is what he's done in his career:

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So 5 years into his career and he's done what.....? Nothing about his stats says good QB, way too many INT to TDs for one thing. He's getting 37 million for this resume?
For the most part his rep was built on the idea that he would be Bradys successor and that didn't work out. Thus far his only accomplishment is landing that fat contract. That's it!

Now some here will say the stats don't tell the story, but I've seen his film broke down and dissected and you see a QB that has a lot to learn, especially for someone who already been in the league for 5 years. There's hope for growth, but it's a hope more so then a sure thing and he's getting paid like he's already a accomplished QB.

If his career was done from this point, he would be considered a bust. He's going to have to do way better to turn that around.

I'm not saying you're wrong but stating he has five years of experience isn't really a good measure. Last year we can write off. So that puts him at four at most. You don't improve skills when you are rehabbing a major injury. Nothing but perfect practice improves your skills. Practice and repetitions.

He still is completing passes at 65% on a terrible team for two years and scrub time on NE.

 

[SteelersPride]

In his 5 games to end the season in 2017 he showed great ability to quickly read defenses and make the correct choice to where to go with the ball. He showed good pocket presence and showed the ability to shift in the pocket to avoid pressure and with one of the quickest releases among QBs he was able to drastically cut down the sacks the team had experienced up unto that point.

And yes his final 5 games that year weren't exactly murderers row but he wasn't exactly on a loaded team himself. The 9ers were 1-10 when he took over with the one win being against the Giants. His number 1 was Marquis Goodwin, Kittle hadn't quite broken out at this point, and his RT was the backup guard who wasn't even good at being a guard.

When you actually watched him play wasn't winning by gimmicks but by doing all the things you want to see big boy QBs do.

Now he's not perfect and there are flaws in his game that he's gotta iron out or he'll rise to being anything other than a decent starter.

His deep ball needs work as he has left some big plays on the field missing on throws that a lot of QBs probably make.

Despite the fact I mentioned good decision making he's good for a couple of boneheaded decisions that you don't know if it's because he has just has that Romo type of gunslinger in him that you just have to accept or if it's due to lack of reps and not completely knowing what he can and can't get away with.

fair enough, def reason for optimism

 

[NWPATSFAN]

well he does have a nice completion percentage, a little over 2-1 td to int ratio and a decent qb rating, just to argue the other side

I'm a firm believer of taking care of the ball. 2-1 is still concerning. Then again Brett Favre had 508-336.

 

[SteelersPride]

I'm a firm believer of taking care of the ball. 2-1 is still concerning. Then again Brett Favre had 508-336.

FWIW ben is UNDER 2-1

 

[NWPATSFAN]

FWIW ben is UNDER 2-1

Lev Bell and AB want to know how's his fumble rate

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I'm not saying you're wrong but stating he has five years of experience isn't really a good measure. Last year we can write off. So that puts him at four at most. You don't improve skills when you are rehabbing a major injury. Nothing but perfect practice improves your skills. Practice and repetitions.

He still is completing passes at 65% on a terrible team for two years and scrub time on NE.

So what your saying is he's been in the league 5 years but has little practical experience to show for it

 

[NWPATSFAN]

So what your saying is he's been in the league 5 years but has little practical experience to show for it

That's correct. In his very small sample size he looked very good. He has basically 4 years of film work and 2nd or 3rd string snaps in practice above any rookie is all. The breaking down game film is important but doesn't replace game experience. Let's just see what this year holds. Will he come back 100% from the surgery?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

That's correct. In his very small sample size he looked very good. He has basically 4 years of film work and 2nd or 3rd string snaps in practice above any rookie is all. The breaking down game film is important but doesn't replace game experience. Let's just see what this year holds. Will he come back 100% from the surgery?

Yet the 49ers paid him $37 million last year.

 

[CaptainStubing]

but what about Steve Bono?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Yet the 49ers paid him $37 million last year.

I never argued the financial side. SF had the money, the pool was pretty dry and other teams also knew NE had to let him go. No one knew he would get injured and sit out the entire year.

So if he has a decent to great year this season was it worth it? I'd say so. Minus the injury his signing hasn't hurt SF yet.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Montana played in a time when it was still legal to hit the QB and play defense. So I think Brady's longevity might have something to do with that (they actually changed the rules when Brady tore an ACL). It also didn't help that Joe played during 2 strike seasons...

I'd bring up the cheating, but Jerry Rice was a cheater for 2 of Joe's SB seasons, too. Sooooooo...

2 different eras, but you're still probably right.

But Dak over Jimmy? 100% of Cowboys' fans on earth would trade Dak for Jimmy in 0.85 seconds.

Jimmy has a 19.7% chance of winning a SB if he plays for 10 more years. Dak has 0% chance of winning a SB if he plays 100 more years.

Jimmy hasn't even started half of a season for a team and the 49ers paid him BIG money. Dude hasn't proved anything to a soul and he is already 27 LOL. Dak did more last season than Jimmy G has done in his career. Think about that for a second. Prove it Jimmy

 

[Pattersonca65]

Yet the 49ers paid him $37 million last year.

Who cares. The 49ers purposely front loaded his contract because they needed to spend the money. Even with his contract they still were in the top three in cap space. The following seasons they can cut him with little hit to the cap. As far as how much he has proven, do you really think this is baseball where you just can move a player midseason and expect to light the world on fire? He was traded midseason and spent a couple weeks just learning the terminology of the offense. The rest of he season was sandlot ball. Shanahan runs a very complex offense. It took Matt Ryan over a year just to become comfortable in his offense.

 

[dbldwn711]

Who cares. The 49ers purposely front loaded his contract because they needed to spend the money. Even with his contract they still were in the top three in cap space. The following seasons they can cut him with little hit to the cap. As far as how much he has proven, do you really think this is baseball where you just can move a player midseason and expect to light the world on fire? He was traded midseason and spent a couple weeks just learning the terminology of the offense. The rest of he season was sandlot ball. Shanahan runs a very complex offense. It took Matt Ryan over a year just to become comfortable in his offense.

Mullens seemed to pick it up just as quickly.

 

[Pattersonca65]

Mullens seemed to pick it up just as quickly.

Mullens was on the team longer and when you take out the Raider game his numbers really change. You should also look at his numbers later in the season when he had to deal with QB pressure. Under pressure his numbers really dropped. I like Mullens. He is a scrappy kid but he has some serious weaknesses.

 

[SteelersPride]

Mullens was on the team longer and when you take out the Raider game his numbers really change. You should also look at his numbers later in the season when he had to deal with QB pressure. Under pressure his numbers really dropped. I like Mullens. He is a scrappy kid but he has some serious weaknesses.

Mullen’s is a guy everyone wants on there team. Not saying as a starter

 

[Cyder]

6 > 4

2 healthy ACLs better than 1

Montana never lost a Superbowl where his team was the favorite, Brady lost 2.

 

[dbldwn711]

Montana never lost a Superbowl where his team was the favorite, Brady lost 2.

So... what’s the point?

 

[Pattersonca65]

Mullen’s is a guy everyone wants on there team. Not saying as a starter

I want him on the team too. There are some fans that want to trade him for draft picks but unless another team was willing to give a high pick I don't want to trade him. He is a really good backup to have

 

[Cyder]

So... what’s the point?

Meaning that maybe Brady isn't better as you say, he lost to 2, 9-7 teams where the Pats were highly favored.

 

[dbldwn711]

Meaning that maybe Brady isn't better as you say, he lost to 2, 9-7 teams where the Pats were highly favored.

Getting to the SB and losing is better than not getting to the SB.

By your logic the Detroit lions are better than the buffalo bills.

Dumb.