2018-2019 NBA Regular Season Thread

[LAD]

This thread definitely can get tedious especially right now as we are all waiting for the playoffs. But if I have to tag you regularly to keep you in this thread, I'm gonna do it.



Should be interesting to see how tonight goes. The last time they played the Celtics they had just got Tobias the day before.

But I really love that Butler is the primary creator in crunch time. He does seem to have a bit of a killer instinct late in games.

I felt like last year the match up between these two in the post season was good. Thought the sixers actually had the edge...but eventually couldn't pull it off.

With the additions to both teams (Bos getting Kyrie & Gordon back & the obvious trades to Philly) I am anticipating an even better match up this year.

 

[Sparhawk]

It is incredible how much talk there is about a team whose only relevance will be on lottery day.

The Cavs are going to stink for the foreseeable future. Maybe they once again get ANOTHER No. 1 pick and get Zion and that can begin a turnaround but it will still take years for that to happen.

Thought you were going to talk about the Lakers.....

 

[Bolts]

Which rookies from the 2016 draft should get extended before next season?

I think Simmons, Hield, Siakam and Murray should be locks

Have to think the Celtics lock up Brown if they trade other players for AD in the summer.


The interesting decisions will be Levert, Malik Beasley, Brandon Ingram, & Murray (Spurs),

3 of the last 4 have had some tough or dangerous injuries which makes giving them a lot of money more of a risk. I like Beasley but not to give him as much as the others. The others(even Brown) all seem like smart choices to get extensions. Buddy has had an off 2nd half but still deserves it.

 

[bksballer89]

Another blow for the Bucks

 

[flyerhawk]

Thought you were going to talk about the Lakers.....

Same applies

 

[flyerhawk]

Thought you were going to talk about the Lakers.....

Tomato/Tomahto

 

[Heatles84]

I mean this is common sense.

After LeBron left the first time the cupboard was beyond bare. The Cavs had no 1st round pick, and had a bunch of aging win-now vets like Jamison and Shaq.

In 4 years they went from having, probably the least assets in the league and zero cap space, to having a ton of assets and having a good enough roster to lure LeBron back to Cleveland.

I am sure if Gilbert really wanted to he could have tried to "win now"- but all that would have accomplished is get the Cavs to where the Heat currently are--- something like the 3 year stretch where they went from the 6th seed, to 9th in the East to this year likely finishing 8th or 9th in the East---a team going nowhere in NBA purgatory with no cap space, the least draft capital in the NBA and no route to acquiring any kind of elite player.

Already this post-LeBron era, the Cavs are developing future roster mainstays like Sexton, and Osman. They have already traded for 2 extra first round picks and 6 extra 2nd round picks. They will likely have a top 3 pick in this draft.

I will take that kind of forward momentum any day over being a capped out mess that is fighting tooth and nail to hang onto the 8th seed with the least future draft assets in the league like the Heat.

If Gilbert wanted to- i am sure he could have thrown a bunch of money at some mediocre vets and went the route of being a 1st round punching bag (the Heat Way)- but that just seems awful.

Instead he faced the hard truth that the best way to actually become good again was to rebuild, absobred tons of extra money with guys like Baron Davis, Luke Walton, MAurice Speights, WAyne Ellington the first time around, and thus far, absorbed the contractsof guys like Dellavadova, Henson, Knight the second time around in order to jump-start the rebuild.


I would love to know which route you favor---- signing a bunch of mediocre players like Kelly Onlyk, Dion Waiters, James Johnson, Tyler Johnson, Hassan Whiteside- to poor contracts in order to fight to be a road playoff team that loses in the first round----- or to tank, take on other teams problems for draft picks, commit to playing the kids, and acquire high lotto picks, in order to actually be something that is challenging for more than being the Bucks first round bitch (at best), or at worst, getting the 13th/14th pick in the lotto to take a player that will have just about zero effect on your franchise like a Bam?

It's amazing how much you boast about fucking Cedi Osman, who will simply be at best a solid starter on a team. Because his stats are similar to Bam Adebayo's if you look at it per 36 minutes:

Cedi Osman Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

Bam Adebayo Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

And with Bam, I'm willing to accept that he'll likely be in the same role as his ceiling - solid starter, not future all-star. That's why I don't take anything Cavs fans say seriously about Dan Gilbert.

Again, if Lebron wasn't from Cleveland, Lebron doesn't even go back. It's clear why he went back - legacy move. It just happened to actually work out.

 

[Heatles84]

Again, I already told you. Cleared cap room and accrued assets in hopes to be a contender again. It worked.

But, hey, kudos to Denver for making the playoffs for the first time in half a decade (or longer). They did have Melo who was once thought to be pretty good. How far did they get with him?

Made it to a conference finals. Melo also isn't anywhere near the same category as Lebron.

In terms of clearing cap room, and trading for draft assets, anyone can do that.

If you want to boast about how well you are as an organization, look how the Spurs are run, or the Rockets, Warriors (since new ownership), Thunder, etc... Those are teams that are consistently ran.

I've never seen a fanbase that has such a shitty team, boast about how well they're ran.

 

[Heatles84]

I get you don't even care to see anything that refutes your comments with logic, facts and reason but could it be, yes, he wanted to hold Gilbert's feet to the fire AND also shorter deals meant more money as he was in the prime of his career? Maybe he signed longterm this time as it is possible he wont be worth what he is set to make in LA in years 3 or 4? You realize his LA deal is a whopping 1 year longer than his last deal here?

Never mind you ignore where you obviously screwed the pooch. without believing Gilbert would spend he would not have come back...so he wasn't coming back "regardless" as you said.

Give me logic, facts and reason then we can talk.

Until then, go kick rocks.

 

[Shanemansj13]

It's amazing how much you boast about fucking Cedi Osman, who will simply be at best a solid starter on a team. Because his stats are similar to Bam Adebayo's if you look at it per 36 minutes:

Cedi Osman Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

Bam Adebayo Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

And with Bam, I'm willing to accept that he'll likely be in the same role as his ceiling - solid starter, not future all-star. That's why I don't take anything Cavs fans say seriously about Dan Gilbert.

Again, if Lebron wasn't from Cleveland, Lebron doesn't even go back. It's clear why he went back - legacy move. It just happened to actually work out.

Having a center that is "your teams' future" doesn't mean much anymore in the NBA especially if he can only finish around the rim. Just sayin

The Cavs "future" is at PG and SF. Makes a huge difference especially in a 3 point shooting league

 

[mick7-1961]

He is their cash cow right now so....

Hey Mick!!!

Hello LADy

 

[trojanfan12]

my 4th favorite team

Bandwagoner.

 

[WiggyRuss]

It's amazing how much you boast about fucking Cedi Osman, who will simply be at best a solid starter on a team. Because his stats are similar to Bam Adebayo's if you look at it per 36 minutes:

Cedi Osman Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

Bam Adebayo Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

And with Bam, I'm willing to accept that he'll likely be in the same role as his ceiling - solid starter, not future all-star. That's why I don't take anything Cavs fans say seriously about Dan Gilbert.

Again, if Lebron wasn't from Cleveland, Lebron doesn't even go back. It's clear why he went back - legacy move. It just happened to actually work out.

LeBron never in a million years goes back if he does not think he can win.

LeBron never in a million years goes back if the Cavs have no cap room because they spent like drunken sailors to get the 7 or 8 seed on mediocre players.

I think Cedi can be a top half starting SF at some point. He was basically red-shirted last year. He was getting a ton of defensive attention. He was playing out of position for must of the season due to the injuries to Love and Thompson and Nance (at times).

Cedi is not likely to ever be an All Star- but he without a doubt could be a solid starting player- and at the least a strong rotation player.

and as i said-

id much rather have my team- who had a bare cupboard, tank, build up, and re-emerge with some actual assets, rather than spend like drunken sailors and trade draft picks to get the 7 or 8 seed and get blasted.

 

[trojanfan12]

I agree. I think they could've withstood his injury & there was a chance for them to crawl back in the standings when he returned - had he & Rich Paul not tried to strong arm a trade. Maybe they did it because they had fallen out of contention while he was hurt. Who knows. What we do know is that both of those events combined was what killed this season.

Yeah, if memory serves, they were within a couple of games of the 8th seed when he returned.

But he had destroyed the chemistry with the AD debacle and his teammates no longer trusted him.

They likely would have still missed the playoffs because there were still too many injuries to overcome...but they'd have stayed in the hunt a lot longer.

 

[CitySushi]

Having a center that is "your teams' future" doesn't mean much anymore in the NBA especially if he can only finish around the rim. Just sayin

The Cavs "future" is at PG and SF. Makes a huge difference especially in a 3 point shooting league

I think Cedi's peak is probably somewhere along the lines of Mike Dunleavy Jr.

Nothing about him screams franchise potential. Possibly decent player under the right circumstances.

 

[dtgold88]

Gotta call you out for your straight up bullshit claiming when you're wrong you always admit it.

I said Klay > Love & nothing else. Yet you tried to say I'd take Klay over AD or Embiid. Straight up bullshit. I never said that, you did.

Here's more bullshit of yours. You insisted I said Lue's a bad coach. I had to tell you multiple times he can't be properly judged as a coach becuase he got to coach LeBron.

Actually, no it was not Klay > Love and nothing else. It was you would take the elite shooter over the big guy who is a good shooter.

And you just proved my point.......I admitted I was wrong about the Lue comment and apologized because I'm an adult.

Try again.

 

[WiggyRuss]

it would surprise me to see anyone say the Cavs have done a poor job of management this season considering they acquired 2 1st rounders and 6 second rounders and have done a very nice job developing Osman and Sexton.

For a team that lost LeBron and had been mortgaging future assets like water the last 4 years- for them to be in the shape they are currently in is pretty good in my estimation. Certainly light years ahead of where they were last time in year 1 post-LeBron.

 

[CitySushi]

it would surprise me to see anyone say the Cavs have done a poor job of management this season considering they acquired 2 1st rounders and 6 second rounders and have done a very nice job developing Osman and Sexton.

For a team that lost LeBron and had been mortgaging future assets like water the last 4 years- for them to be in the shape they are currently in is pretty good in my estimation. Certainly light years ahead of where they were last time in year 1 post-LeBron.

Light years is only reserved for use to describe the Warriors. Just FYI.

 

[WiggyRuss]

WTF!!!

did Espn really take away the monthly subtotals on the Game Log?

that pisses me off....that pisses me right off.

i just looked em up the other day for Klays 3 pt shooting

I was gonna look them up for Cedi who had a very rough November and December but has been balling out of late.

 

[CitySushi]

WTF!!!

did Espn really take away the monthly subtotals on the Game Log?

that pisses me off....that pisses me right off.

i just looked em up the other day for Klays 3 pt shooting

I was gonna look them up for Cedi who had a very rough November and December but has been balling out of late.

Use Basketball Reference. Here is what I think you're looking for...

Cedi Osman 2018-19 Splits | Basketball-Reference.com