politics thread

[gkekoa]

Your question was about a word we struck from the convo here. It's not relevant to the obfuscation game sty was clowning on with.

Immigrants are people too. Even illegal ones. Does that suit your fancy?

No. My question was about you.

If you lived in Venezuela and had a chance to leave and come to the US illegally, knowing you would likely starve if you wasted 10 years to do so legally, would you enter this country illegally knowing you would likely have a better life here and your children would eventually be able to become citizens?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

We will see.

What will we see? What will change in the future that will change the fact that law enforcement has relied on the testimony of liars and crooks for generations and Michael Cohen[s testimony is no different.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

There is no evidence of a crime by Trump . Collusion, even if proven , is not a fucking crime!

The only people where there is evidence of a crime is obama’s Doj and FBI starting with an investigation based on no or fraudelant evidence a phony fisa warrant , and various members of the Doj and fbi covering up alleged crimes by HRC strzok, page , rosenstein , McCabe , and comey . All of this is in the IG report and sworn testimony from congress which I have posted not from Fox News or any other. BS . Fox is one news channel that leans right. So does the blaze, but nbc abc nbc , npr, hln,cnn, CNBC msnbc all are left wing and by peoples responses here we know who listens to what . Don’t tell me breitbart isn’t a good source then trot out the NYT, WAPO, huff post and mother jones as credible

Collusion was never a crime, but conspiracy, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, illegal use of funds to pay off women etc are crimes and that is what is being investigated. The investigators obviously found other crimes in the course of the investigation and they pursued them, and there was nothing wrong with that what so ever. An investigation goes where the evidence takes it and they clearly found evidence. And obviously they found enough to indict I believe the number is 8 people. 8 people brought in by the guy who campaigned to "Drain the Swamp of Corruption". Yeah I have a real problem with that given his campaign problem but whenever I bring it up the Trump folks don't want to discuss it. Care to take a crack?

Again I never once said Trump was guilty of any crimes. I'm simply saying lets see what turns up as the evidence is released and stop trying to discredit the entire investigation before it's concluded. Trump is also being investigated by the state of NY for possible crimes turned up through the course of this investigation,

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Actually, it isn’t treasonous at all. Treason is defined as the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

How does colluding with Russia, to get dirt on another political candidate, betraying your country? How is it attempting to overthrow the government?

Don’t we do this all the time? Didn’t Obama spend millions of tax payer dollars to overthrow Netanyahu?

Are you really arguing that colluding with a hostile foreign government to influence our election is not a betrayal of your country? Wow.

I'm not claiming Trump did this, in fact I've believed all along he did not have any direct contact with Russia. But that position that there is nothing wrong with working with an enemy foreign government to effect our election is terribly wrong.

 

[j_y19]

What will we see? What will change in the future that will change the fact that law enforcement has relied on the testimony of liars and crooks for generations and Michael Cohen[s testimony is no different.

We will see if I am right or not about congress doing nothing with cohen’s testimony.

 

[j_y19]

Are you really arguing that colluding with a hostile foreign government to influence our election is not a betrayal of your country? Wow.

I'm not claiming Trump did this, in fact I've believed all along he did not have any direct contact with Russia. But that position that there is nothing wrong with working with an enemy foreign government to effect our election is terribly wrong.

Of course it is. That’s why I couldn’t even debate it. It’s so obvious.

 

[gkekoa]

Are you really arguing that colluding with a hostile foreign government to influence our election is not a betrayal of your country? Wow.

I'm not claiming Trump did this, in fact I've believed all along he did not have any direct contact with Russia. But that position that there is nothing wrong with working with an enemy foreign government to effect our election is terribly wrong.

Of course I am arguing it. Just because you use another country, doesn’t mean you are betraying your own.

Betraying your country would be selling uranium to a foreign country.
Betraying your own country would be paying them in the middle of the night.
Betraying your country is signing deals that favor other countries.

 

[skinsdad62]

Collusion was never a crime, but conspiracy, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, illegal use of funds to pay off women etc are crimes and that is what is being investigated. The investigators obviously found other crimes in the course of the investigation and they pursued them, and there was nothing wrong with that what so ever. An investigation goes where the evidence takes it and they clearly found evidence. And obviously they found enough to indict I believe the number is 8 people. 8 people brought in by the guy who campaigned to "Drain the Swamp of Corruption". Yeah I have a real problem with that given his campaign problem but whenever I bring it up the Trump folks don't want to discuss it. Care to take a crack?

Again I never once said Trump was guilty of any crimes. I'm simply saying lets see what turns up as the evidence is released and stop trying to discredit the entire investigation before it's concluded. Trump is also being investigated by the state of NY for possible crimes turned up through the course of this investigation,

BS , there is nothing to any of it nor was that a parameter of the mueller probe . and how many times do you need to be told that some guys taxes arent on trump , or someone being entrapped isnt either . its just BS mubo jumbo
paying off a hooker /**** star isnt a crime either .

 

[skinsdad62]

Are you really arguing that colluding with a hostile foreign government to influence our election is not a betrayal of your country? Wow.

I'm not claiming Trump did this, in fact I've believed all along he did not have any direct contact with Russia. But that position that there is nothing wrong with working with an enemy foreign government to effect our election is terribly wrong.

good then go bust HRC because she did the same damn thing

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Of course I am arguing it. Just because you use another country, doesn’t mean you are betraying your own.

Betraying your country would be selling uranium to a foreign country.
Betraying your own country would be paying them in the middle of the night.
Betraying your country is signing deals that favor other countries.

Holy shit.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

good then go bust HRC because she did the same damn thing

Whenever a poster brings up Hillary or Obama when the topic is Trump it's clear they have no valid response. The topic is Trump, can we stay on topic please?

I'll ask you again to defend Trump's promise to Drain the Swamp as he proceeded to bring in so many people who have not only been indicted they have plead guilty to felonies.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

BS , there is nothing to any of it nor was that a parameter of the mueller probe . and how many times do you need to be told that some guys taxes arent on trump , or someone being entrapped isnt either . its just BS mubo jumbo
paying off a hooker /**** star isnt a crime either .

Again the question of the payments is the source of the money and how he tried to cover it up. That very well may have been a crime, too early to dismiss the possibility. As for the other crimes see my post above, these were people brought in by the guy who promised to rid Washington of corruption, It was also brought up to show you that the Mueller investigation was most certainly not a waste of time even if it turns up nothing on Trump.

 

[j_y19]

Whenever a poster brings up Hillary or Obama when the topic is Trump it's clear they have no valid response. The topic is Trump, can we stay on topic please?

I'll ask you again to defend Trump's promise to Drain the Swamp as he proceeded to bring in so many people who have not only been indicted they have plead guilty to felonies.

Now you are talking about thing concerning trump that is unsettling to me. I have less issues with most of his policies and more issues with him, his morals, and his leadership, or lack there of. Belittling, bullying, and threatening is not a leadership style I believe in.

 

[eaglesnut]

No. My question was about you.

If you lived in Venezuela and had a chance to leave and come to the US illegally, knowing you would likely starve if you wasted 10 years to do so legally, would you enter this country illegally knowing you would likely have a better life here and your children would eventually be able to become citizens?

But why are you asking me this? I never even implied that illegal immigrants shouldn't try to come here. This is the best country.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Now you are talking about thing concerning trump that is unsettling to me. I have less issues with most of his policies and more issues with him, his morals, and his leadership, or lack there of. Belittling, bullying, and threatening is not a leadership style I believe in.

There is so much unsettling with regard to President Trump it's way too much to list. I mean I get the support. Put America first, create more jobs, be tough on illegal immigration. Who can argue these positions?

What I do not understand is the whole concept of Right and Wrong has gone right out the window with his message. As I said he was right, he could shoot a man and retain their support. It appears as if he can commit any crime and they will remain loyal. I mean that is so wrong it's amazing that it's even debated. The party that was the tough one when it came to Russia has suddenly turned into the group that is wearing "I'd Rather Be Russian than a Democrat" tee shirt. Ronald Reagan would be rolling over in his grave.

We just had a poster claim there is nothing wrong with a hostile foreign government trying to influence our election. Our election and the ability to vote is one of the most important things in our democracy, how anyone can think that is OK is simply fucked up

 

[j_y19]

There is so much unsettling with regard to President Trump it's way too much to list. I mean I get the support. Put America first, create more jobs, be tough on illegal immigration. Who can argue these positions?

What I do not understand is the whole concept of Right and Wrong has gone right out the window with his message. I mean we just had a poster claim there is nothing wrong with a hostile foreign government trying to influence our election. The ability to vote is one of the most important things in our democracy, how anyone can think that is OK is simply fucked up

I don’t think GK thinks it’s ok, it just doesn’t fit his definition of treason. I disagree.

 

[Sharkinva]

Now you are talking about thing concerning trump that is unsettling to me. I have less issues with most of his policies and more issues with him, his morals, and his leadership, or lack there of. Belittling, bullying, and threatening is not a leadership style I believe in.

His leadership style is also his policy style though. So that is a problem. He feels he can bully his way in policy. And his policy starts with whats best for Trump. Morphs into how will it affect the country. And ends with, fuck the country as long as it works out best for Trump.

So if you got no problem with his policy, then you should have no problem with the person, because they are one in the same.

 

[skinsdad62]

Again the question of the payments is the source of the money and how he tried to cover it up. That very well may have been a crime, too early to dismiss the possibility. As for the other crimes see my post above, these were people brought in by the guy who promised to rid Washington of corruption, It was also brought up to show you that the Mueller investigation was most certainly not a waste of time even if it turns up nothing on Trump.

sorry it isnt , in this case . and if i believe only one guy Flynn , who was railroaded held a position in his administration . it most definitely was a big waste of time because the guilty parties HRC , the FBI and the DOJ werent even looked at nor was the rigged democratic primary

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

sorry it isnt , in this case . and if i believe only one guy Flynn , who was railroaded held a position in his administration . it most definitely was a big waste of time because the guilty parties HRC , the FBI and the DOJ werent even looked at nor was the rigged democratic primary

Dad several people Trump brought in have plead guilty to felonies. These are people with means to hire the best legal council but they had no choice because they were guilty. Given this fact I'll ask you again to defend the promise to "Drain the Swamp of Corruption".

 

[skinsdad62]

Whenever a poster brings up Hillary or Obama when the topic is Trump it's clear they have no valid response. The topic is Trump, can we stay on topic please?

I'll ask you again to defend Trump's promise to Drain the Swamp as he proceeded to bring in so many people who have not only been indicted they have plead guilty to felonies.

well apparently you are schooled enough in the topic to know about it . ever hear of the steele dossier ? look at who wrote it , where the lies came from , who paid for it ? . uranium one ring a bell ? . and obamas cronies in the fbi allowed this to happen and his doj and fbi were full of corrupt investigators . all of these things that happened in this election are linked and most on the HRC side werent even looked at