politics thread

[j_y19]

Actually, it isn’t treasonous at all. Treason is defined as the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

How does colluding with Russia, to get dirt on another political candidate, betraying your country? How is it attempting to overthrow the government?

Don’t we do this all the time? Didn’t Obama spend millions of tax payer dollars to overthrow Netanyahu?

That’s not what I said. Read my response again. Colluding with a foreign government to ILLEGALLY influence a presidential election is Treason.

 

[skinsdad62]

For two years, most of the national news media have been building the case that Donald Trump somehow colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 presidential election. Countless editorials, roundtables, and expert segments all fed the perception that "Russia collusion," an imprecise narrative shorthand for a nonexistent offense, would inevitably be proven. The anti-Trump left promised itself that Vladimir Putin's puppet would get his comeuppance in due time.

The problem is that this was all a lie. The biggest anti-Trump "bombshells" on Russia collusion reported so far have all been either duds or outright fakes. The special counsel has yet to, and almost certainly will not, file any charges that prove Trump took part in Russia collusion. The overwhelming likelihood is that, at worst, the final report will contain unflattering information about the president and some of his senior advisers.

Whatever Robert Mueller has, it will not be the coup de grace to end the administration and avenge Hillary Clinton that the mainstream media has assured us was coming since November 2016. Now, with the special counsel investigation supposedly ending in a matter of weeks, if not days, the collusion theorists are scrambling to deal with this reality.

In a sane world, a lot of prominent voices on the left, in both politics and media, would be held accountable for stoking such partisan mass hysteria. How can the same Democrats and journalists that have been alleging, without evidence, that the president of the United States is a criminal and a traitor now come to terms with the reality of the hoax they have perpetrated out of petty partisan spite? The answer is they will not.





They already plan to move on to the next narrative con. This is where "obstruction" comes into play. Democrats have made it clear that, unable to prove the primary charges they used to hobble a presidency for two years, their follow on act will be to open new investigations and chase other charges around obstruction. Without a hint of self-reflection or a twinge of good faith, they will pretend that all along the real problem with President Trump has been his machiavellian interference in the justice system.

This is as preposterous as it is dishonest. If Trump corrupted the Justice Department in his favor, he had a bizarre way of doing it. He never interfered with the special counsel investigation, despite its partisan bias and shady origins. He did not fire Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, despite him richly deserving it. Trump did fire James Comey, which Rosenstein explicitly endorsed in writing. That of course led to the retaliation of appointing a special counsel. It is really the Justice Department that obstructed Trump.

Are supposed to ignore the convenient tactic of the Democrats moving right past collusion to obstruction? No serious person really believes that, while Mueller so far has failed to uncover illegal interference in government actions, some decidedly oleaginous characters in Congress like Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell will. Mueller showed no hesitation in prosecuting peripheral figures in the Russia collusion drama for the most minor process crimes. Those who suddenly refuse to believe the special counsel was thorough enough have no interest in finding the truth. They never did to begin with.

The Democratic playbook all along has been obvious. They are merely weaponizing the investigative and prosecutorial functions of government for partisan ends. This is anti-Trump lawfare under the guise of "congressional oversight." Once Democrats tire of sermonizing under the capitol dome about the threat of obstruction, they will move along to his tax returns, business dealings, dangerously ample girth, or whatever else they can dream up.

Whatever one thinks of Trump, the machinations to take him down are not without cost. For anyone paying attention, it is hard to overstate the damage done to the credibility of our institutions like the Justice Department in the scorched earth effort to end his presidency. While Congress is no stranger to low approval ratings, the circus like hearings that the Democrats plan to continue will do nothing to enhance the faith of the American people in it.

It is clear that the left has an unhealthy hatred for Trump, and they would leap at any excuse to remove him from office instead of waiting for the 2020 election results. They neither respect the decision of the American people in the 2016 election, nor their ability to make up their own minds the next time around. Democrats are hellbent on finding some way, any way, to take down Trump. They could care less what they have to obstruct, corrupt, or destroy in the process.

From the hill

 

[gkekoa]

That’s not what I said. Read my response again. Colluding with a foreign government to ILLEGALLY influence a presidential election is Treason.

And I showed you the definition of treason. In no way is collusion treasonous. You aren’t looking to overthrow a government. You are looking to become POTUS because it is election time.

 

[j_y19]

For two years, most of the national news media have been building the case that Donald Trump somehow colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 presidential election. Countless editorials, roundtables, and expert segments all fed the perception that "Russia collusion," an imprecise narrative shorthand for a nonexistent offense, would inevitably be proven. The anti-Trump left promised itself that Vladimir Putin's puppet would get his comeuppance in due time.

The problem is that this was all a lie. The biggest anti-Trump "bombshells" on Russia collusion reported so far have all been either duds or outright fakes. The special counsel has yet to, and almost certainly will not, file any charges that prove Trump took part in Russia collusion. The overwhelming likelihood is that, at worst, the final report will contain unflattering information about the president and some of his senior advisers.

Whatever Robert Mueller has, it will not be the coup de grace to end the administration and avenge Hillary Clinton that the mainstream media has assured us was coming since November 2016. Now, with the special counsel investigation supposedly ending in a matter of weeks, if not days, the collusion theorists are scrambling to deal with this reality.

In a sane world, a lot of prominent voices on the left, in both politics and media, would be held accountable for stoking such partisan mass hysteria. How can the same Democrats and journalists that have been alleging, without evidence, that the president of the United States is a criminal and a traitor now come to terms with the reality of the hoax they have perpetrated out of petty partisan spite? The answer is they will not.





They already plan to move on to the next narrative con. This is where "obstruction" comes into play. Democrats have made it clear that, unable to prove the primary charges they used to hobble a presidency for two years, their follow on act will be to open new investigations and chase other charges around obstruction. Without a hint of self-reflection or a twinge of good faith, they will pretend that all along the real problem with President Trump has been his machiavellian interference in the justice system.

This is as preposterous as it is dishonest. If Trump corrupted the Justice Department in his favor, he had a bizarre way of doing it. He never interfered with the special counsel investigation, despite its partisan bias and shady origins. He did not fire Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, despite him richly deserving it. Trump did fire James Comey, which Rosenstein explicitly endorsed in writing. That of course led to the retaliation of appointing a special counsel. It is really the Justice Department that obstructed Trump.

Are supposed to ignore the convenient tactic of the Democrats moving right past collusion to obstruction? No serious person really believes that, while Mueller so far has failed to uncover illegal interference in government actions, some decidedly oleaginous characters in Congress like Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell will. Mueller showed no hesitation in prosecuting peripheral figures in the Russia collusion drama for the most minor process crimes. Those who suddenly refuse to believe the special counsel was thorough enough have no interest in finding the truth. They never did to begin with.

The Democratic playbook all along has been obvious. They are merely weaponizing the investigative and prosecutorial functions of government for partisan ends. This is anti-Trump lawfare under the guise of "congressional oversight." Once Democrats tire of sermonizing under the capitol dome about the threat of obstruction, they will move along to his tax returns, business dealings, dangerously ample girth, or whatever else they can dream up.

Whatever one thinks of Trump, the machinations to take him down are not without cost. For anyone paying attention, it is hard to overstate the damage done to the credibility of our institutions like the Justice Department in the scorched earth effort to end his presidency. While Congress is no stranger to low approval ratings, the circus like hearings that the Democrats plan to continue will do nothing to enhance the faith of the American people in it.

It is clear that the left has an unhealthy hatred for Trump, and they would leap at any excuse to remove him from office instead of waiting for the 2020 election results. They neither respect the decision of the American people in the 2016 election, nor their ability to make up their own minds the next time around. Democrats are hellbent on finding some way, any way, to take down Trump. They could care less what they have to obstruct, corrupt, or destroy in the process.

From the hill

I unfortunately agree with this sentiment. I am no Trump fan, but this obsession with the left, and the majority of the media, in bringing Trump down has serious repercussions. Once they started up with his tax returns, it became clear to me that they are looking for anything to bring him down. They have absolutly zero reasons to want his tax returns other than to snoop around. And that pisses me off. Because if the government can do it to the President, then they can also do it to you and I.

 

[j_y19]

And I showed you the definition of treason. In no way is collusion treasonous. You aren’t looking to overthrow a government. You are looking to become POTUS because it is election time.

Seriously? I can’t even debate this. What do you think election rigging does?

 

[skinsdad62]

What did HRC do ? She paid officials from a foreign govt to dig up dirt on Trump . Colluding ! It’s not illegal . It’s immoral but not illegal

 

[Sharkinva]

I unfortunately agree with this sentiment. I am no Trump fan, but this obsession with the left, and the majority of the media, in bringing Trump down has serious repercussions. Once they started up with his tax returns, it became clear to me that they are looking for anything to bring him down. They have absolutly zero reasons to want his tax returns other than to snoop around. And that pisses me off. Because if the government can do it to the President, then they can also do it to you and I.

I been staying out of this echo chamber for the past few weeks.

But Im going to assume you were on an extended space mission from the time White Water investigations started until recently. Because White Water to Benghazi were nothing more than partisan attempts to bring down the Clintons. 1994-2017 is 23 years that the GOP spent trying to bring down the Clintons. And had she won, I have zero doubt they would still be investigating the Clintons whom many around here swear are guilty despite not a single charge filled against them aside from hummer gate.

Carry on.

 

[skinsdad62]

I been staying out of this echo chamber for the past few weeks.

But Im going to assume you were on an extended space mission from the time White Water investigations started until recently. Because White Water to Benghazi were nothing more than partisan attempts to bring down the Clintons. 1994-2017 is 23 years that the GOP spent trying to bring down the Clintons. And had she won, I have zero doubt they would still be investigating the Clintons whom many around here swear are guilty despite not a single charge filled against them aside from hummer gate.

Carry on.

Benghazi started this whole thing and you know as well as I. She committed a crime with the handling of classified documents . Obama’s corrupt fbi and Doj prevented it

 

[skinsdad62]

More leftist oppression

 

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[gkekoa]

Seriously? I can’t even debate this. What do you think election rigging does?

Define rigging.

If you are talking about getting dirt and running smear campaigns, I would hardly call that rigging. That is simply politics. I don’t like that type of politics but being nice is what cost McCain the election in 2018.

Now, if you are talking ballot tampering and election fraud, I would say that is illegal, but still not treasonous.

Election rigging is not close to the same thing as treason. Treason is a betrayal of your own country. If Trump starts acting in the best interest of Russia by selling Uranium to them so they funnel money to him, that is most definitely treason.

 

[gkekoa]

I been staying out of this echo chamber for the past few weeks.

But Im going to assume you were on an extended space mission from the time White Water investigations started until recently. Because White Water to Benghazi were nothing more than partisan attempts to bring down the Clintons. 1994-2017 is 23 years that the GOP spent trying to bring down the Clintons. And had she won, I have zero doubt they would still be investigating the Clintons whom many around here swear are guilty despite not a single charge filled against them aside from hummer gate.

Carry on.

The only reason files weren’t brought is the Xlinton’s are political elites. I investigated White Water and concluded they were easily complicit.

Hell, Comey admitted in his press conference that Hillary broke the law. He said she didn’t do it on purpose though so no charges. In what world does intent have anything to do with an actual crime?

Lolita Island...Bill visited many times. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was good buddies with Bob Kraft.

 

[skinsdad62]

Funny. , the same people who claim this is an echo chamber are virtually the same people who wanted me to bring back the thread .

I gave a novel idea. How about backing up your POV the same way I am expected too ? With facts from a nuetral source ? So everyone on the left of this board couldn’t come up with enough to support their claims ? It’s an echo chamber because you lost the debate

You know how you lost the debate ? Because you failed at the challenges given to you either because you didn’t do it because you knew the outcome or you did it and ignored it or couldn’t come to grips that the news you were getting was BS .

The truth is Trump hate has blinded you period which means you lost that debate again . Obama did the same actions and nothing from you except why bring up Obama ? To expose your hypocrisy .

Believe me if anything had happened to Trump you echo chamber whiners would be here in force . And when things go bad. For him ( and they will ) you will be here again crowing .

When the mueller report comes back as a nothing burger instead of saying “ my bad I was wrong “. You will simply follow Schiff ‘s marching orders and move to obstruction of a non crime and taxes

The proof will be in the pudding

And all the while you will ignore the real crimes committed by the Obama fbi and Doj and the attempted soft coup by those organizations

In 2020. You have a chance to vote him out by the will of the people and our constitution and if you do so be it . I won’t burn down buildings. Riot , protest cry for safe spaces and bemoan echo chambers and call for BS investigations because my guy lost

 

[skinsdad62]

My question ? How would this be received if the shoe was on the other foot ?

 

[eaglesnut]

Saying illegal immigrants are scum is not defining scum. You are giving your definition of illegal immigrants. What is scum?

We have already established why they come here over Bolivia. This is the superior country.

I have no emotion in this. I am explaining why you are losing the argument with Sty.

Now...you ask him to answer a question and call him a coward for not doing so. Why won’t you answer my questions?

1- if you lived in Venezuela and saw the opportunity to escape to the US with your family, believing it would take 10 years to get into the US legally and you would starve to death if you stayed in Venezuela, would you enter the US illegally if you thought there was a good shot you would be successful at living?

2- Doesn’t that make you scum in waiting?

I already struck scum here. It was too emotionally charged for this board.

As for the illegal immigrants, has it been established that they come here because here is better? Have you gotten that response from all the parties involved here? How is here better if Bolivia is so wonderously socialist? Do remember that's why Bolivia was brought up in the first place by a socialist policy propagandist.

 

[skinsdad62]

I already struck scum here. It was too emotionally charged for this board.

As for the illegal immigrants, has it been established that they come here because here is better? Have you gotten that response from all the parties involved here? How is here better if Bolivia is so wonderously socialist? Do remember that's why Bolivia was brought up in the first place by a socialist policy propagandist.

I shot down Bolivia right away with a simple google

 

[Toadman005]

Antifa trash

 

[gkekoa]

I already struck scum here. It was too emotionally charged for this board.

As for the illegal immigrants, has it been established that they come here because here is better? Have you gotten that response from all the parties involved here? How is here better if Bolivia is so wonderously socialist? Do remember that's why Bolivia was brought up in the first place by a socialist policy propagandist.

No...you just refused to define it.

I already stated it is better here, twice.

You still refused to answer my question.

 

[eaglesnut]

No...you just refused to define it.

I already stated it is better here, twice.

You still refused to answer my question.

Your question was about a word we struck from the convo here. It's not relevant to the obfuscation game sty was clowning on with.

Immigrants are people too. Even illegal ones. Does that suit your fancy?