politics thread

[Darrell Green Fan]

"I have lied but I am not a liar." In all honesty.. what else is there? Direct quote from Cohen. If he says Trump is a racist I will go the other way in my belief. Why would anyone believe this guy. What is his motive this time? I guess it depends on which way the wind is blowing for some. Truth is Trump is not a racist... his history proves that. He has done more for blacks and jews than any president in the past,,, yet he's a racist... just because. Makes perfect sense. Grow up ya'll and smell the roses. Imagine what this dude can accomplish if he had the backing that all other presidents have had. Washington hates him because he aint a politician,, if that don't scare guess nothing will. Exposing them for what they are... thieves with your best interest NOT at heart. Corruption has a name and its smile at ya and you all smile right back at them like some robot programmed by the devil himself. Listen, whoever believes the media aint in the majority on the left is a dumb as this keyboard I'm typing on... and damn thats a scary thing.

It's almost as if you can't acknowledge how equally biased Fox is in their coverage. They are giving you an equally distorted view with their coverage, not sure why the right can't acknowledge this obvious fact.

 

[j_y19]

Dean is a lawyer, we are not. He was also in a very similar position as Cohen which also gives him a unique perspective. So yeah his opinion is much more valid than ours is.

Speak for yourself. his opinion means nothing. He has no more access to the facts of what happened than I do. Hate of Trump has blinded you. You want him out so bad that you are willing to circumvent the law to do it. So you opinion means even less.

 

[j_y19]

Did you say the same thing about John Dean's testimony? Or mafia or drug guys, all known liars and crooks? Did you claim John Gotti was railroaded by crooked witnesses with an agenda?

Yeah didn't think so. When you discredit only those accusing President Trump you lose all credibility. It's pretty clear that should Mueller's investigation turn up clear evidence that there were other crimes committed you will dismiss them and that's just wrong,

And when you credit admitted liars based solely on their testimony, you lose all credibility. That is what you are doing with Cohen's testimony. Everything he says has to be assumed a lie until proven otherwise. He is, after all, an admitted serial liar. Does that not concern you?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

And when you credit admitted liars based solely on their testimony, you lose all credibility. That is what you are doing with Cohen's testimony. Everything he says has to be assumed a lie until proven otherwise. He is, after all, an admitted serial liar. Does that not concern you?

Again law enforcement has relied on the testimony of liars forever. Are you not familiar with Henry Hill? Mob guy who was an obvious liar and crook whose testimony put away 50 mobsters including mob bosses. He was the first person in the witness protection program.

Henry Hill - Wikipedia

Are we not to believe Hill and simply allow mobsters to go free and continue killing people because Hill is a liar? Is that your position when drug lords are put on trial and thugs and liars are called to testify? Of course not, that's idiotic. Law enforcement has relied on the testimony of liars for decades, but for some reason you feel when it comes to Trump the rules are different. That's complete nonsense.

You Trump guys crack me up, You claim our hate for Trump has blinded us while being unable to admit your love of the guy has made you equally biased. He was right, he could shoot a man and retain his support, Of course that says it all with regard to his supporters,

I happen to believe nobody is above the law and that includes the President. I never ever said he was guilty, I simply said lets pull the curtains back and see what is discovered. But that won't work for you. You can see all sorts of evidence of crimes and find a way to dismiss them. That shows everyone who is the person with the bias.

 

[j_y19]

Again law enforcement has relied on the testimony of liars forever. Are you not familiar with Henry Hill? Mob guy who was an obvious liar and crook whose testimony put away 50 mobsters including mob bosses. He was the first person in the witness protection program.

Henry Hill - Wikipedia

Are we not to believe Hill and simply allow mobsters to go free and continue killing people because Hill is a liar? Is that your position when drug lords are put on trial and thugs and liars are called to testify? Of course not, that's idiotic. Law enforcement has relied on the testimony of liars for decades, but for some reason you feel when it comes to Trump the rules are different. That's complete nonsense.

You Trump guys crack me up, You claim our hate for Trump has blinded us while being unable to admit your love of the guy has made you equally biased. He was right, he could shoot a man and retain his support, Of course that says it all with regard to his supporters,

I happen to believe nobody is above the law and that includes the President. I never ever said he was guilty, I simply said lets pull the curtains back and see what is discovered. But that won't work for you. You can see all sorts of evidence of crimes and find a way to dismiss them. That shows everyone who is the person with the bias.

First, I am not a Trump guy. You would know that if you read my posts. But I do believe in the rule of law. And no one was convicted solely on the testimony of a liar. Their testimony had to be corroborated. You do understand what that means, right? I don't believe Trump. I don't believe Cohen. I believe the facts. And so far, there has been no corroborated facts that Trump has done anything wrong. Does that mean I sense that Trump could be found guilty of some crime? Yes, I sense that there is that possibility. But not from anything that Cohen has offered, nor anyone else to date. And I can't support convicting someone based on my sense. If cohen's allegations are true, they must be proven by other evidence that just his testimony. See, I don't allow my hate for Trump to cloud reality as we have it to date. You have made it clear in previous posts that you hate Trump to the degree that you want him out no matter how it is done. Legally or otherwise. And that I can't abide by.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

First, I am not a Trump guy. You would know that if you read my posts. But I do believe in the rule of law. And no one was convicted solely on the testimony of a liar. Their testimony had to be corroborated. You do understand what that means, right? I don't believe Trump. I don't believe Cohen. I believe the facts. And so far, there has been no corroborated facts that Trump has done anything wrong. Does that mean I sense that Trump could be found guilty of some crime? Yes, I sense that there is that possibility. But not from anything that Cohen has offered, nor anyone else to date. And I can't support convicting someone based on my sense. If cohen's allegations are true, they must be proven by other evidence that just his testimony. See, I don't allow my hate for Trump to cloud reality as we have it to date. You have made it clear in previous posts that you hate Trump to the degree that you want him out no matter how it is done. Legally or otherwise. And that I can't abide by.

I never hid from the fact that I hate Donald Trump and would love to see him in handcuffs one day. And given what we know of him there is is a very good chance in my opinion that they will find illegal activity as they dig deeper. I have not however posted anything that would imply that I want him out and convicted "no matter what". I have never promoted kicking him out without valid reasons, in fact I have posted on the other board I highly doubt he will be thrown out. That bar is very high, as it should be, and I expect him to complete his term.

I never once said Cohen's words were enough to convict Trump. I said it's idiotic to simply dismiss them because he is a liar, which so many including you have done, for the reasons I posted. "So far" is a strange way of putting it because so far we have not seen the evidence. That hardly means it does not exist.

 

[eaglesnut]

You have still not defined scum.

Nobody is arguing that people come here because it is better.

You also never answered my questions? I believe if you did so honestly, you would find out you define yourself as scum.

Here is the thing...the people themselves are not the problem. The system that allows and promotes it is the problem.

The illegal immigrants. Why do they come here so much more than Bolivia?

I have asked this question multiple times now without using the word that holds so much emotional connotation for you two folks. So with that word now struck, do you think our fine coward @Stymietee will have enough courage to man up and answer this very appropriate, very relevant and now very decent question?

 

[j_y19]

I never hid from the fact that I hate Donald Trump and would love to see him in handcuffs one day. And given what we know of him there is is a very good chance in my opinion that they will find illegal activity as they dig deeper. I have not however posted anything that would imply that I want him out and convicted "no matter what". I have never promoted kicking him out without valid reasons, in fact I have posted on the other board I highly doubt he will be thrown out. That bar is very high, as it should be, and I expect him to complete his term.

I never once said Cohen's words were enough to convict Trump. I said it's idiotic to simply dismiss them because he is a liar, which so many including you have done, for the reasons I posted. "So far" is a strange way of putting it because so far we have not seen the evidence. That hardly means it does not exist.

Nor does it mean it does exist. Any credible DA never relies solely on the testimony of a known liar. And cohen is a known liar. He has lost the benefit of the doubt. Its not idiotic to assume that Cohen is just trying to save his skin as much as he can and he has shown he has no reservations about lying in trying to do just that. No, believing anything that comes out of Cohen's mouth is wishful thinking at best.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Nor does it mean it does exist. Any credible DA never relies solely on the testimony of a known liar. And cohen is a known liar. He has lost the benefit of the doubt. Its not idiotic to assume that Cohen is just trying to save his skin as much as he can and he has shown he has no reservations about lying in trying to do just that. No, believing anything that comes out of Cohen's mouth is wishful thinking at best.

Again does that mean we dismiss the testimony of all the thugs and liars who have been putting bad guys away for a century? Trump has become such a sympathetic figure even to a non-support such as yourself that you guys want to change the rules just for him and that makes little sense.

Again I am not claiming Cohen's words are enough to convict, I am saying its stupid to dismiss them when we did not do that with other witnesses who are known liars.

 

[j_y19]

Again does that mean we dismiss the testimony of all the thugs and liars who have been putting bad guys away for a century? Trump has become such a sympathetic figure even to a non-support such as yourself that you guys want to change the rules just for him and that makes little sense.

Again I am not claiming Cohen's words are enough to convict, I am saying its stupid to dismiss them when we did not do that with other witnesses who are known liars.

Yes, you dismiss them if they can't be corroborated. No matter who the defendant is.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Yes, you dismiss them if they can't be corroborated. No matter who the defendant is.

I understand that and agree, again I said I never claimed his testimony was enough. Clearly there needs to be corroborating evidence.

I simply pointed out that witness testimony from known liars has been utilized by law enforcement for a century, there in absolutely no reason to suddenly change course and dismiss Cohen when we didn't do that with all the other witnesses. Frankly I have no idea why we are even debating that. Every one of those witnesses copped a deal to "save their own skin", Cohen is no different.

 

[j_y19]

I understand that and agree, again I said I never claimed his testimony was enough. Clearly there needs to be corroborating evidence.

I simply pointed out that witness testimony from known liars has been utilized by law enforcement for a century, there in absolutely no reason to suddenly change course and dismiss Cohen when we didn't do that with all the other witnesses. Frankly I have no idea why we are even debating that. Every one of those witnesses copped a deal to "save their own skin", Cohen is no different.

It's becoming clear to me, the Feds have nothing that they can pin on Trump. This Russia collusion ivestigation is losing its legs. NY state may be a different animal. They may have a couple of things. But Trump grew up in the nasty business of Real Estate Development in NYC. He has seen and done it all. Dealing with crooked unions, mob bosses, and bribable public officials will educate you quick. Thus, he has learned how to cover his tracks. If there is anything illegal identified, it will be pinned on a dumb ass fall guy (hello Cohen).

As for Congress, this Cohen testimony is all show for the left to pander to their base. But at the end of the day, they will do nothing from it, either. You know why? Because they also know that Cohen is a liar and they could never use his testimony in court and win. Plus, they don't want to really open that pandora's box, lest someone comes looking into their personal affairs. So they will rant and rave about how cohen has shed light of truth on the great Satan and then it will be forgotten until the campaigns start up again.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

It's becoming clear to me, the Feds have nothing that they can pin on Trump. This Russia collusion ivestigation is losing its legs. NY state may be a different animal. They may have a couple of things. But Trump grew up in the nasty business of Real Estate Development in NYC. He has seen and done it all. Dealing with crooked unions, mob bosses, and bribable public officials will educate you quick. Thus, he has learned how to cover his tracks. If there is anything illegal identified, it will be pinned on a dumb ass fall guy (hello Cohen).

As for Congress, this Cohen testimony is all show for the left to pander to their base. But at the end of the day, they will do nothing from it, either. You know why? Because they also know that Cohen is a liar and they could never use his testimony in court and win. Plus, they don't want to really open that pandora's box, lest someone comes looking into their personal affairs. So they will rant and rave about how cohen has shed light of truth on the great Satan and then it will be forgotten until the campaigns start up again.

Again you continue to ignore the point that the testimony of liars and crooks have been utilized, with supporting evidence, for a century. Everyone one of them was cooperating for the very same reason Michael Cohen cooperated, to get a reduced sentence. Cohen is absolutely no different than all of those witnesses but for some reason you want to act as if he's different. He is not.

As for Mueller's investigation as I have said throughout I doubt there was direct collusion, but that hardly means Mueller has turned up nothing. 8 indictments says otherwise. Do any of them relate to Trump directly? No. But again to claim they will find nothing on Trump when none of the evidence has been released is premature to say the least

 

[j_y19]

Again you continue to ignore the point that the testimony of liars and crooks have been utilized, with supporting evidence, for a century. Everyone one of them was cooperating for the very same reason Michael Cohen cooperated, to get a reduced sentence. Cohen is absolutely no different than all of those witnesses but for some reason you want to act as if he's different. He is not.

As for Mueller's investigation as I have said throughout I doubt there was direct collusion, but that hardly means Mueller has turned up nothing. 8 indictments says otherwise. Do any of them relate to Trump directly? No. But again to claim they will find nothing on Trump when none of the evidence has been released is premature to say the least

We will see.

 

[skinsdad62]

There is no evidence of a crime by Trump . Collusion, even if proven , is not a fucking crime!

The only people where there is evidence of a crime is obama’s Doj and FBI starting with an investigation based on no or fraudelant evidence a phony fisa warrant , and various members of the Doj and fbi covering up alleged crimes by HRC strzok, page , rosenstein , McCabe , and comey . All of this is in the IG report and sworn testimony from congress which I have posted not from Fox News or any other. BS . Fox is one news channel that leans right. So does the blaze, but nbc abc nbc , npr, hln,cnn, CNBC msnbc all are left wing and by peoples responses here we know who listens to what . Don’t tell me breitbart isn’t a good source then trot out the NYT, WAPO, huff post and mother jones as credible

 

[skinsdad62]

Again you continue to ignore the point that the testimony of liars and crooks have been utilized, with supporting evidence, for a century. Everyone one of them was cooperating for the very same reason Michael Cohen cooperated, to get a reduced sentence. Cohen is absolutely no different than all of those witnesses but for some reason you want to act as if he's different. He is not.

As for Mueller's investigation as I have said throughout I doubt there was direct collusion, but that hardly means Mueller has turned up nothing. 8 indictments says otherwise. Do any of them relate to Trump directly? No. But again to claim they will find nothing on Trump when none of the evidence has been released is premature to say the least

8. Indictments on nothing that had anything to do with trump . The mueller report won’t show anything either and if you could read the tea leaves you would. Know that easily . The whole thing is a scam

 

[j_y19]

8. Indictments on nothing that had anything to do with trump . The mueller report won’t show anything either and if you could read the tea leaves you would. Know that easily . The whole thing is a scam

Colluding with a foreign government to illegally influence an election is a crime. It’s called treason. But there appears to be no evidence that this happened.

 

[skinsdad62]

Colluding with a foreign government to illegally influence an election is a crime. It’s called treason. But there appears to be no evidence that this happened.

Not by statute

 

[gkekoa]

The illegal immigrants. Why do they come here so much more than Bolivia?

I have asked this question multiple times now without using the word that holds so much emotional connotation for you two folks. So with that word now struck, do you think our fine coward @Stymietee will have enough courage to man up and answer this very appropriate, very relevant and now very decent question?

Saying illegal immigrants are scum is not defining scum. You are giving your definition of illegal immigrants. What is scum?

We have already established why they come here over Bolivia. This is the superior country.

I have no emotion in this. I am explaining why you are losing the argument with Sty.

Now...you ask him to answer a question and call him a coward for not doing so. Why won’t you answer my questions?

1- if you lived in Venezuela and saw the opportunity to escape to the US with your family, believing it would take 10 years to get into the US legally and you would starve to death if you stayed in Venezuela, would you enter the US illegally if you thought there was a good shot you would be successful at living?

2- Doesn’t that make you scum in waiting?

 

[gkekoa]

Colluding with a foreign government to illegally influence an election is a crime. It’s called treason. But there appears to be no evidence that this happened.

Actually, it isn’t treasonous at all. Treason is defined as the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

How does colluding with Russia, to get dirt on another political candidate, betraying your country? How is it attempting to overthrow the government?

Don’t we do this all the time? Didn’t Obama spend millions of tax payer dollars to overthrow Netanyahu?