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[dtgold88]

Yeah, I have heard quite a few negative comments about Love on here. Hell, I have made more than my share.

But, most have been simple reality check posts aimed at a couple insane Cleveland Homers on here who inflate every Cav's value by 150%. Kevin Love has his faults, but he is a very good basketball player.

I am also not sure I have ever heard anyone on here call Love soft. Can't recall that anyway. Not sure where you have heard that.

Then you aren't looking as he is called soft quite often....and Green of course called tough.

Insane for thinking Love is a better player than Green?

 

[tlance]

So you haven't seen the Cavs play lately with Nance. Should have just said so. To be fair, I thought the same as you until I watched him play this season.

Funny.

I don't remember saying that.

Not even Wiggy would think that Larry Nance could replicate Draymond's role.

 

[tlance]

Then you aren't looking as he is called soft quite often....and Green of course called tough.

Insane for thinking Love is a better player than Green?

For thinking Love is still an elite player. He's not even close to that level.

And for the record, neither is Green.

 

[dtgold88]

Funny.

I don't remember saying that.

Not even Wiggy would think that Larry Nance could replicate Draymond's role.

And not even I said I was sure......I said I would like to see what he'd do in Green's role as he had become more of a ballhandler and passer than I though capable the last few months.

and you took great exception to a harmless comment.

 

[dtgold88]

For thinking Love is still an elite player. He's not even close to that level.

And for the record, neither is Green.

Have I said Love is still elite? I think he is still an all star caliber player, though.

 

[tlance]

Have I said Love is still elite? I think he is still an all star caliber player, though.

No.

Your boy Wiggy sure loves to overstate his value though. And honestly you do too.

He Said over and over that Kevin Love was the second best player on the court in last year's East Finals.

Which is ironic, because the Cavs were 2-0 in games where Love played less than 10 minutes AND there were Celtics players who said they were disappointed when they found out Love was going to miss game 7.

Because attacking Love was key to the Celts' offensive game plan.

 

[dtgold88]

No.

Your boy Wiggy sure loves to overstate his value though. And honestly you do too.

He Said over and over that Kevin Love was the second best player on the court in last year's East Finals.

Which is ironic, because the Cavs were 2-0 in games where Love played less than 10 minutes AND there were Celtics players who said they were disappointed when they found out Love was going to miss game 7.

Because attacking Love was key to the Celts' offensive game plan.

And I'd say you understate his value in these conversations. Imagine that. But seems you accuse me of calling him elite and now backtrack as you know it's not the case. Has Wiggy? Haven't noticed it, but if I thought he was I'd say so.

Love did vastly outplay Green in each of the last 2 Finals. Yes, I get it Green plays better D. But Love is not the sloiuch many say he is as defensive rebounding is part of defense and he's one of the best in this area. The there is that offensive thing where Love is far better than Green.....even with teams trying to stop him while they want Green to shoot.

 

[tlance]

And I'd say you understate his value in these conversations. Imagine that. But seems you accuse me of calling him elite and now backtrack as you know it's not the case. Has Wiggy? Haven't noticed it, but if I thought he was I'd say so.

Love did vastly outplay Green in each of the last 2 Finals. Yes, I get it Green plays better D. But Love is not the sloiuch many say he is as defensive rebounding is part of defense and he's one of the best in this area. The there is that offensive thing where Love is far better than Green.....even with teams trying to stop him while they want Green to shoot.

No, Love did not outplay Green. Not even close.

Love shot 40.6% from the field and had 7 assists to 5 TOs with a horrible defensive rating. Green shot 51.7% with 34 assists to 5 TOs.

So because Love had more points and rebounds you say he "outplayed Green"? That is a gross mischaracterization of how things went down.

 

[tlance]

And for the record @dtgold88 I never said or implied you called Love elite.

What I said is that all of my negative Love comments come in response to irrational Cleveland homers.

I haven't put you in that category yet, but you are getting close with the Nance comments.

 

[dtgold88]

No, Love did not outplay Green. Not even close.

Love shot 40.6% from the field and had 7 assists to 5 TOs with a horrible defensive rating. Green shot 51.7% with 34 assists to 5 TOs.

So because Love had more points and rebounds you say he "outplayed Green"? That is a gross mischaracterization of how things went down.

Cavs had that Lebron guy. Love is not there to facilitate offense. And, yes, scoring and rebounding matters and Love was vastly superior. Even moreso in the 2017 Finals as he had more points, rebounds, steals and blocks than Green if memory serves.

You of course don't seem to realize Love was the #2 option and GS defended the Cavs to try and stop him. Green is free to shoot whenever he wants.

 

[dtgold88]

And for the record @dtgold88 I never said or implied you called Love elite.

What I said is that all of my negative Love comments come in response to irrational Cleveland homers.

I haven't put you in that category yet, but you are getting close with the Nance comments.

Irrational by saying "I'd like to see what he could do in Green's role on GS"?

I get the Cavs probably are not on much wherever you are and you don't see Nance play. Have also mentioned I thought the same as you coming into the season.....that it would be crazy to see him in that role. Still might be, but he has really pleasantly surprised me with his passing and ballhandling skills.

You call that irrational in a forum like this? What would that make the true irrational comments? Double secret super irrational?

 

[tlance]

Cavs had that Lebron guy. Love is not there to facilitate offense. And, yes, scoring and rebounding matters and Love was vastly superior. Even moreso in the 2017 Finals as he had more points, rebounds, steals and blocks than Green if memory serves.

You of course don't seem to realize Love was the #2 option and GS defended the Cavs to try and stop him. Green is free to shoot whenever he wants.

Love shot 40% from the field. The Warriors defended him really well actually. He took 64 shots and turned those shots into 61 points. Then added 15-16 from the FT line. That isn't very good.

Dray, on the other hand, took 29 shots and scored 33 points off FGs, further adding 4-5 from the FT line.

To say Love's scoring was "so vastly superior" ignores his inefficiency and all the possessions the Cavs lost with his missed shots.

If we go a step further and add in assists, Love had 7 assists for the entire series. He made 26 field goals and assisted in 7 more for a total of 33 made field goals.

Green, on the other hand, made 15 shots and assisted on 34 more for a total of 49 made field goals Green was directly involved in.

That is a real quick look and a gross oversimplification, but it also shows why it is illogical to say Love outplayed Green.

Their roles are much different. But Green did his job a lot better than Love did his in 2018 Finals. And the stats illustrate that if you care to look beyond 2 simple categories.

 

[dtgold88]

Love shot 40% from the field. The Warriors defended him really well actually. He took 64 shots and turned those shots into 61 points. Then added 15-16 from the FT line. That isn't very good.

Dray, on the other hand, took 29 shots and scored 33 points off FGs, further adding 4-5 from the FT line.

To say Love's scoring was "so vastly superior" ignores his inefficiency and all the possessions the Cavs lost with his missed shots.

If we go a step further and add in assists, Love had 7 assists for the entire series. He made 26 field goals and assisted in 7 more for a total of 33 made field goals.

Green, on the other hand, made 15 shots and assisted on 34 more for a total of 49 made field goals Green was directly involved in.

That is a real quick look and a gross oversimplification, but it also shows why it is illogical to say Love outplayed Green.

Their roles are much different. But Green did his job a lot better than Love did his in 2018 Finals. And the stats illustrate that if you care to look beyond 2 simple categories.

First, is there a reason you ignore 2017? Second, I get they have vastly different roles. Love plays with that Lebron fellow so I would think you could understand why he isn't getting many assists. I also noticed if we add in the FTs, Love has 64 shots and 76 points. Green is 29 and 37. And, of course, Green takes mostly uncontested shots as the Cavs want him to shoot. GS wants to stop Love from shooting/scoring.

 

[tlance]

Irrational by saying "I'd like to see what he could do in Green's role on GS"?

I get the Cavs probably are not on much wherever you are and you don't see Nance play. Have also mentioned I thought the same as you coming into the season.....that it would be crazy to see him in that role. Still might be, but he has really pleasantly surprised me with his passing and ballhandling skills.

You call that irrational in a forum like this? What would that make the true irrational comments? Double secret super irrational?

OK.

I really am done now.

you made a dumb comment and have continued to double down on it for a bunch of pages now.

I don't think there is another player in the entire league capable of playing Draymond's role for GS. He is one of the most unique players in the league today. Yeah, you could put a guy like Anthony Davis in there and they would be better for it, but you can't replace Green with a lesser player and expect it to work.

Larry Nance Jr. Has improved. But he does not have the skill set required to be a point forward on one of the greatest teams of all time.

Would they still win a title if they substituted Nance for Green?

Maybe. But that is because they have 4 other allstars and 2 superstars. And I guarantee they wouldn't use Nance as a primary ball handler like they do Dray.

Green provides their backbone and is as crucial to their identity as Steph Curry is. Stats don't tell the whole story of his impact.

But I am done talking about this.

Carry on.

 

[tlance]

First, is there a reason you ignore 2017? Second, I get they have vastly different roles. Love plays with that Lebron fellow so I would think you could understand why he isn't getting many assists. I also noticed if we add in the FTs, Love has 64 shots and 76 points. Green is 29 and 37. And, of course, Green takes mostly uncontested shots as the Cavs want him to shoot. GS wants to stop Love from shooting/scoring.

Yep.

I didn't even look because 2018 proved you totally wrong.

 

[dtgold88]

Yep.

I didn't even look because 2018 proved you totally wrong.

Might be right, as vastly not at all fair for 2018. But I do think he outplayed him in 2018 and stand by the vastly aspect for 2017. Had a better shooting %, 3 point %, rebounds and even steals and blocks. Defensive rating even nearly identical. Neither shot great overall, but Love was 39% from 3 and Green 29%.

 

[lebron23james]

Really? Who you got, Draymond or Shawn Bradley?

Bradley easily

 

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[dtgold88]

OK.

I really am done now.

you made a dumb comment and have continued to double down on it for a bunch of pages now.

I don't think there is another player in the entire league capable of playing Draymond's role for GS. He is one of the most unique players in the league today. Yeah, you could put a guy like Anthony Davis in there and they would be better for it, but you can't replace Green with a lesser player and expect it to work.

Larry Nance Jr. Has improved. But he does not have the skill set required to be a point forward on one of the greatest teams of all time.

Would they still win a title if they substituted Nance for Green?

Maybe. But that is because they have 4 other allstars and 2 superstars. And I guarantee they wouldn't use Nance as a primary ball handler like they do Dray.

Green provides their backbone and is as crucial to their identity as Steph Curry is. Stats don't tell the whole story of his impact.

But I am done talking about this.

Carry on.

All this is why I started off by asking the question, not saying I knew. I do think Nance can do more than what you think and Green would be a JAG if he played his career in LA and now this Cavs team.

 

[lebron23james]

Love shot 40% from the field. The Warriors defended him really well actually. He took 64 shots and turned those shots into 61 points. Then added 15-16 from the FT line. That isn't very good.

Dray, on the other hand, took 29 shots and scored 33 points off FGs, further adding 4-5 from the FT line.

To say Love's scoring was "so vastly superior" ignores his inefficiency and all the possessions the Cavs lost with his missed shots.

If we go a step further and add in assists, Love had 7 assists for the entire series. He made 26 field goals and assisted in 7 more for a total of 33 made field goals.

Green, on the other hand, made 15 shots and assisted on 34 more for a total of 49 made field goals Green was directly involved in.

That is a real quick look and a gross oversimplification, but it also shows why it is illogical to say Love outplayed Green.

Their roles are much different. But Green did his job a lot better than Love did his in 2018 Finals. And the stats illustrate that if you care to look beyond 2 simple categories.

So you don't think if they had switched Love with Green that Love would have shot better having 3 other stars to draw the offense away instead of just 1? And if Green was the 2nd option that he would be guarded much closer?

Being a 4th option is not a very hard job, it's slightly harder being a 2nd option. His role was to basically do what TT did...Play tough defense and hustle. He doesn't have the pure skills of true superstars

Green is not as good at basketball as Love is, just stop, it's embarrassing at this point tbh