Top Three Most Poorly Operated NBA Franchises

[dtgold88]

Well yes that was my point was that you cant just randomly decide they should have chosen the best guy in the draft who was skipped over by 10-15 other teams

Like the dummies who call teams dumb for not taking Brady......who was passed over 5-6 times by his own team.

 

[lebron23james]

Wouldn't it be nice if instead of flipping bad picks and getting Love, they got even better players? I mean this is my point. When the highlight is settling for a clear downgrade vs. what you could have had, that's making my point for me.


And you keep talking about how they won a championship. They won that because Lebron was so good, Love's 8 points a game dud in the NBA finals wasn't enough bad play to cause Lebron to lose. You really are excited about that? That two #1 overall picks turned into an 8 point a game defensive liability in their championship series? You are making the point on this better than I ever could here.

You are literally defending Cleveland taking the worst player in the first round with the first pick, because they didn't totally screw it up.

Kyrie was the 3rd best player in the draft, taken with the #1 overall pick. Yes, lots of people were wrong about the best player in that draft, Cleveland was one of them.

TT wasn't derrick Williams awful. But another missed opportunity with a high value pick. Which seems to be the case over and over.

And combined they made for the worst team in the league before Lebron showed up, and went 4-20 when Lebron wasn't playing.

What about that says "yay!"?

No, it wouldn't have been nice. Lebron wanted those players gone before they even played for Love. So if they turned out to be all-stars it would have been horrible. The fact that they ended up as busts makes it even better.

The draft is a crap shoot and involves a lot of luck. If it wasn't everyone would have drafted the players GS took or taken Tom Brady in the NFL, but yet they didn't.

The lakers had multiple 2nd picks in the lottery and not 1 single player was as good as kyrie. Drafting is a crap shoot kid

 

[lebron23james]

cannot argue with irrational...but I did try. who was the worst pick in the draft other than maybe Bennett? waiters, who is still in the NBA? TT?

He's a nuggets fan. Have they even played in a single finals? lol

 

[WiggyRuss]

You don't remember that 24 million dollar deal they handed out to Bynum? Him saying that Cleveland was definitely a playoff team, and them saying he would anchor the inside and pair with Kyrie to improve them?

Well I'd say that went poorly for Cleveland. Granted you are entitled your opinion of how masterful that deal was.

ohhh i remember the Bynum deal- apparently you do not. Do a lil research so you are not embarrassing yourself and come back.

2 years 24M. lol

 

[WiggyRuss]

He's a nuggets fan. Have they even played in a single finals? lol

he seriously has no clue what he is talking about. I mean- its astounding.

 

[msgkings322]

Cleveland was tanking to get Lebron back and it worked. Philly tried to clear cap space for Lebron. How'd that turn out? Did anyone take their money yet?

Butler might?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Well you're certainly free to hate the Cavs man. Carry on

its all very funny coming from a guy who's franchise traded the #13 to the Utah Jazz in order to select Donovan Mitchel for the opportunity to draft Trey Lyles. lol.

I could not even imagine the Nuggets with Mitchel right now.

And I mean- a lot of these just seems to be a lot of jealousy. The Nuggets- as far as entire team history goes are a pretty abysmal failure

as far as i can tell they have made it to the Conference Finals twice in their history. Zero Finals Apperances even.

They have won 2 playoff series since 1994. LOL. Think about that! lol.

If you are looking at hte long term and not this season- the Nuggets easily qualify as one of the least succesful franchises in NBA history.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

ohhh i remember the Bynum deal- apparently you do not. Do a lil research so you are not embarrassing yourself and come back.

2 years 24M. lol

Yup, crazy isn't it, a multi year deal that made Bynum the highest paid player on the roster. Nearly 20 mil between him and Jarrett Jack to pair with Irving as their big sell to make Cleveland a playoff team. Definitely was NOT a success. I mean here he was making top 35 money on a multi year deal. More than Joakim Noah, more than Garnett, more than Duncan or Deandre Jordan.

But yeah, some I guess think the Cavs spending more on Bynum than Tim Duncan or Deandre Jordan was a good idea. I don't.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

cannot argue with irrational...but I did try. who was the worst pick in the draft other than maybe Bennett? waiters, who is still in the NBA? TT?

Hmm lets see. The worst players in the top 27 picks were Anthony Bennett and Sergei Kasarev. Guess who drafted both?

 

[Rockinkuwait]

its all very funny coming from a guy who's franchise traded the #13 to the Utah Jazz in order to select Donovan Mitchel for the opportunity to draft Trey Lyles. lol.

I could not even imagine the Nuggets with Mitchel right now.

And I mean- a lot of these just seems to be a lot of jealousy. The Nuggets- as far as entire team history goes are a pretty abysmal failure

as far as i can tell they have made it to the Conference Finals twice in their history. Zero Finals Apperances even.

They have won 2 playoff series since 1994. LOL. Think about that! lol.

If you are looking at hte long term and not this season- the Nuggets easily qualify as one of the least succesful franchises in NBA history.

I follow the local teams because they are the ones I can go to and watch. But I am more of a player fan. But nice distraction. I see you'd rather not actually debate what is said.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

A midmarket team that is not a FA destination played for 4 titles and won 1, only losing to a team many consider the best ever.

You have resorted to pretty much making shit up...a clear sign of the irrational.

Yes, and that was WITH Lebron who played there because that's his home, not because the Front office gave him such a great send off.

Now lets get back to the rest of the team... you know, the Championship roster that Lebron played with which is now what? 15-62 in his absence?

That's the roster I am talking about.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

And in these "overdrafts" with Waiters and TT isn't it comical what he wanted to do was take guys at 1 or 4 who went in the 10-15 range instead?

Hmm I said Waiters for Lilliard who went two spots later, and Drummond who was mocked most of the pre-draft as high as #2 and went top 10.

But hey, maybe this lack of factual findings is why.

As for TT I was just saying he wasn't remotely the best available. But your defense of picking him is what? I'm sorry but having the 1st and 4th pick and getting the 3rd and 8th best player is just not something I would celebrate. For some reason you find that so difficult to understand and I think it's the years of that being the status quo where the picks don't turn out that when they are close to being as good as the spot taken, you are celebrating.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

You get GS is a little good? Not exactly the Mavs that Miami lost to.

Yes I do. You get that franchises have built dynasties with less draft capital than Cleveland got there and done it without a player like Prime Lebron showing up.

Cleveland should have been able to put a single championship team together without the best tank job in NBA history. And 4 years after that tank job should have been able to build something decent enough around him to keep him, not put together the worst team in the league for him to play with.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

So we are still on Cleveland? Wowsers

 

[Rockinkuwait]

Well yes that was my point was that you cant just randomly decide they should have chosen the best guy in the draft who was skipped over by 10-15 other teams

I said could... and yeah if they were going to reach, I think reaching for Giannis was better than reaching for Bennett who most projected as a lottery pick outside the top 5 as well like Giannis. But that's me. Some will defend that Bennett pick and that reach to the grave it seems.


I don't see why you are so dead set on calling that anything better than an absolute waste. Seriously. two 1st overall picks for LOVE. Celtics traded a #1 pick. They got McHale and Parish for it.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

So we are still on Cleveland? Wowsers

Yeah, I guess defending the Bennett and Waiters picks at all costs have become a "hot take" lately.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

Yeah, I guess defending the Bennett and Waiters picks at all costs have become a "hot take" lately.

I think that says more than I ever could about the Cavs front office.

This started with Getting JR Smith instead of Lilliard being a brilliant move, to now paying Bynum on a multi year contract more than Duncan or Deandre wasn't something to even bat an eye at, to reaching for Bennett is in some way defensible.

Just shows how failure is accepted and defended because it is so common with that front office.

I'm sorry that Lillard > JR, that 2013 Cavs draft is arguably the worst ever by a team, and paying Bynum more than Duncan was an awful choice are things I have to actually defend.

Fine. They had the tools to build a dynasty. And ended up with a ring. This isn't a FO who's ineptitude screwed their fans out of a couple playoffs or a conference finals. They screwed them out of a dynasty and the greatest player in NBA history (twice) with their lack of ability to get anything remotely decent around him.

That to me is why they probably should be in this conversation. It was great to see them win a ring. It's really frustrating though to see what should have been a dynasty ruined by a bad front office.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Yeah, I guess defending the Bennett and Waiters picks at all costs have become a "hot take" lately.

Uncle

 

[WiggyRuss]

Yup, crazy isn't it, a multi year deal that made Bynum the highest paid player on the roster. Nearly 20 mil between him and Jarrett Jack to pair with Irving as their big sell to make Cleveland a playoff team. Definitely was NOT a success. I mean here he was making top 35 money on a multi year deal. More than Joakim Noah, more than Garnett, more than Duncan or Deandre Jordan.

But yeah, some I guess think the Cavs spending more on Bynum than Tim Duncan or Deandre Jordan was a good idea. I don't.

well time to drop the hammer....lol

a "multi-year" 24 million dollar deal for Bynum you say?

you are a certified moron. Please go back and look at taht deal and how it was structured and come back.

in REALITY it was a 3 month deal for like 2.5M dollars. God your dumb.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

well time to drop the hammer....lol

a "multi-year" 24 million dollar deal for Bynum you say?

you are a certified moron. Please go back and look at taht deal and how it was structured and come back.

in REALITY it ended up being like a 3 month deal for like 2.5M dollars. God your dumb.

I'm not certain how many more times it can be said they didn't just get JR for Waiters. And that the Cavs were as likely to draft me as Lillard after taking Kyrie.