politics thread

[Sharkinva]

Well good, you might last longer than the rest of the Leftists and survive long enough to come to realize your side will lose and then give up. I'd hate to see you not survive.


Why do you think it needs to be expanded? Do you realize that AI technology will lead to 40% of the jobs in America disappearing in the next TEN YEARS??? There will soon be a crisis of unemployable people in this country.


And bringing in tons of new immigrants will turn the country Socialist which will be it's end. Do you hate America that much?????

I dont think America will ever turn socialist. Americans in general are too selfish to ever go for it.

 

[gkekoa]

Its speaks volumes that you try and minimize anything negative done by this country. And I dont hate the country. Just self righteous people that feel they have some god given right to this land and consider others beneath them.

Not minimizing anything. You bitch about something from 150 years ago, that existed in this country for 70 years...but you like to say this country has been around forever.

We have either a God given right to this land, equal to anybody else’s God given right to the land.

This land is US land by every legal right. Mexico is Mexican land by every legal right.

Nope...we don’t consider people beneath us. We just feel this is the greatest country in the world. Why should we take the way of other countries and their way of life?

 

[ehb5]

So? That is their RIGHT, as a legal citizen. They have the RIGHT to break the law, and take the chance of getting caught and going to prison.


Analogy. A child spills grape kool aid on the living room carpet.

Will this anger the parents, the owners of the house? Sure. Will the child suffer punishment? Sure. Will the parents eventually forgive the child? Well, usually I am sure. Hopefully always. And the child will be allowed to continue living there and hopefully the child will show more respect for their parents, for THEIR home, and will try harder in the future to be careful, and maybe avoid drinking Kool-Aid in the living room at all.


Now what if an uninvited neighbor shows up one day when you have friends over. Some of your friends know the person, or find them entertaining, maybe the person is a goofy drunk, and they enjoy them making a fool of themselves. But then the uninvited person(intruder), spills his wine on the living room carpet. The owners of the house, can't punish this person like they did their child. And if they tried to, it wouldn't work the same way, the drunk intruder never respected their home in the first place, so he wouldn't respect any punishment they tried to impose on him. And since their friends were enjoying the person's presence, they might feel it not appropriate to punish the person, and since the person is not a part of the family, same thing, and since the person was not invited, well, if your invited best friend and neighbor spilled wine on their carpet, that person would feel badly and would offer their help in fixing the problem. But this uninvited guest? Well, it would be uncomfortable to punish or scold them, they wouldn't care about harming the owners property, so this uninvited guest basically would just get away with something no one else(family and invited friends) would get away with. Whether it was family rules and punishment, or a neighbor that cares self disciplining themselves giving themselves punishment, via offering to pay to bring in a cleaner, or to come over the next day to scrub the spot themselves, or at the least paying with lots of signs of being sorry. And if this intruder DID care, the chances that they would end up making the effort to make amends is much less than the member of the family or the good friend/neighbor.



That is what many illegal aliens are, UNINVITED guests, many/some who don't/won't appreciate what they get or where they are.



And the other issue people have, is what skin in the game do people wanting them to be let in have in the game?

What harm will come to the Nancy Pelosi's or Chuck Schumer's or the rich and famous actors and actors and musicians and athletes of the world if any illegal aliens end up as murderers or rapists? It won't be them or any of their rich friends or their protected family members that will suffer.

Just like politicians sending young men off to war, it's never THEIR sons, much less themselves. It's always someone else's sons and daughters who will die off in some foreign land.

If you only care about crime when certain people do it you're full of shit. It's really that simple.

 

[skinsdad62]

I know you get upset about that. Im sorry some undocumented person hurt you, Really. But if they are made LEGAL and citizens who can vote... why would they need to steal an ID?? And as such they would be paying taxes AND voting under that LEGAL ID.

Why should they be made legal ? And vote ?

 

[ehb5]

Are you frigging serious? You must want Civil War? You ready to fight all the nation's rednecks??? The ones I know would enjoy ending your existence.

Me? Well, I'm here trying to talk some sense into you. I am a lover, not a hater.

What's with your civil war obsession dude?

Also suggesting I should base my beliefs on a fear of civil war is moronic.

Reality is immigration is awesome and something we need to encourage.

If Republicans want immigrants to vote for them they should drop the racism and anti immigration rhetoric, return to actual conservatism, and start actually trying to improve the country.

 

[gkekoa]

Oh, I am not trying to justify the practice of slavery. I'm just tired of certain people trying to make it out as if slavery was a white invention and a white only practice. I wouldn't be surprised if someone showed me evidence that it was basically something EVERY race practiced, some more than others, and I wouldn't be surprised if whites, throughout history, were nowhere near the top of the list of enslavers.

Whites are nowhere near the top in the slavery department...I am not sure what all you would call white.

I will say whites have led the way in extermination of the practice.

 

[Sharkinva]

Why should they be made legal ? And vote ?

Because it would better for the country than trying to deport 11-20M people. And if they are legal, and dont get to vote... well the founding fathers went to war over that taxation without representation thing didnt they??

 

[gkekoa]

If the Republican or Libertarian platform was so just for all, why would you assume they would all vote democrat?? I mean aside from the fact that Republicans have spent the last 30 years trying to deport them, and the last 2-3 years painting them all as some ravaging horde bent on destroying America.

Because, you don’t vote for just if you can get on the positive side of just.

30 years has been spent because that was what was promised when we legalized the first 30 million.

I have said numerous times, I am for DACA, but first we need to secure the border so we don’t have to legalize people who have thwarted our sovereignty every thirty years.

 

[ehb5]

There are A TON of northern Patriots.

A person doesn't have to be a Reb. In fact, the south was mostly DEMOCRATS.


What 2nd Amendment supporters are afraid of, is THE GOVERNMENT!!!

They believe in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and FREEDOM.


What they oppose is frigging Fascists and Socialism and Commies who just want to STEAL from them.


Socialism is theft.


F you if you want to try to come and take what I've worked hard to earn.

Come and try to take our guns. See how that goes for you.



Btw. Most cops and military folk are either white and cons or well, non-white and conservative. Not all, obviously. But far more than not.

My friend. My sh1t is MINE. I work hard for what I have. Why do you think illegal aliens deserve MY SH1T???

Taxes going to give welfare to illegal aliens is THEFT.

Who the hell are you to use force(the Govt) to TAKE MY SH1T???


Sorry bud, your Socialism will NOT fly here in America, and if you Leftists keep trying to push your Fascist bullsh1t upon the rest of us, Civil War will come upon you. And I seriously doubt you have a clue what that will entail. And I like you man, not sure why, but you seem like a cool dude. So I'd hate for this Civil War to come about.


Saw a meme a couple months ago that said it all.


If the Liberals wanted peace, they would have it.
If the Conservatives wanted war, there would be no liberals.

Something like that?

Reality check dude...

You're either already living off the government and therefore doing exactly what you claim to hate

Or

Youre already paying taxes for things like welfare and social programs.


You seem to be suggesting no government and anarchy is the answer but that won't ever happen thankfully.

 

[Sharkinva]

Because, you don’t vote for just if you can get on the positive side of just.

30 years has been spent because that was what was promised when we legalized the first 30 million.

I have said numerous times, I am for DACA, but first we need to secure the border so we don’t have to legalize people who have thwarted our sovereignty every thirty years.

The Reagan amnesty of 2.7 million illegal immigrants was

Fat fingered that I hope?? Or have you been listening to state TV again???

 

[ehb5]

Wrong, wrong, wrong, and WRONG!!!

No one is saying deport them because of how they will vote. Republicans are saying "deport them because they are here ILLEGALLY!!!". Honor the rule of law. It's Dems who say, "Let them in" so that they can gain their votes.


And let me remind you, I am NOT a Republican. I think the Republicans are almost as bad as the Democrats. I'm against ALL establishment schills. Drain the swamp.


Btw, recent polls say that Hispanics approval of Trump rose 19 percent, from 31 percent to 50 percent just recently.

Hispanic unemployment is at record lows. Many Hispanics who came here LEGALLY, are against illegal immigration.

Well what Republicans are actually saying is...

"I don't like this subset of people so I'm going to seriously harm our country by deporting them and pretend that it's about patriotism and the rule of law while I turn a blind eye to all the crime not committed by this subset of people"

 

[Sharkinva]

Not minimizing anything. You bitch about something from 150 years ago, that existed in this country for 70 years...but you like to say this country has been around forever.

We have either a God given right to this land, equal to anybody else’s God given right to the land.

This land is US land by every legal right. Mexico is Mexican land by every legal right.

Nope...we don’t consider people beneath us. We just feel this is the greatest country in the world. Why should we take the way of other countries and their way of life?

I dont bitch about Slavery. IM just not going to play the fool and pretend that it has no bearing on how some white people tend to think of black people today. Because the reality is, racism is taught usually at an early age and its generational.

The fact that you are willing to kill someone trying to make a better life for themselves because you have allowed yourself to be convinced they are invaders, an infestation and animals tends to say you do in fact find them beneath you and not worthy unless they are the type of people YOU agree with. Personally IM not even shooting a stray dog unless it does in fact threaten me. And Im damn sure not camping out on the roof looking to shoot one because it comes towards my yard.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

If you only care about crime when certain people do it you're full of shit. It's really that simple.

WTF are you talking about? I am against ALL crime. I am for ALL criminals suffering punishment.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

What's with your civil war obsession dude?

Also suggesting I should base my beliefs on a fear of civil war is moronic.

Reality is immigration is awesome and something we need to encourage.

If Republicans want immigrants to vote for them they should drop the racism and anti immigration rhetoric, return to actual conservatism, and start actually trying to improve the country.

Oh, you are so naïve. It's not a cival war obsession, it's simply that I recognize that the division between the left and the right in the country are SO FAR apart, that there is no healing. Neither side will tolerate the other side winning. The only solution is total separation, hopefully peaceful separation, but realistically that wouldn't work, so Civil War is the most realistic outcome.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Whites are nowhere near the top in the slavery department...I am not sure what all you would call white.

I will say whites have led the way in extermination of the practice.

WTF are you talking about??


American Slaves were, for the most part, kept alive. Muslims killed most of their slaves.

There are hundreds of millions of descendants of American slaves.

Where are the descendants of Arab slaves???



So what the fuck are you talking about? How many were killed/exterminated under the Chinese Communist Regime???


How many Africans have been killed by other Africans???

 

[Sharkinva]

WTF are you talking about??


American Slaves were, for the most part, kept alive. Muslims killed most of their slaves.

There are hundreds of millions of descendants of American slaves.

Where are the descendants of Arab slaves???



So what the fuck are you talking about? How many were killed/exterminated under the Chinese Communist Regime???


How many Africans have been killed by other Africans???

For he record, he is on your side. Just so you know.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Well what Republicans are actually saying is...

"I don't like this subset of people so I'm going to seriously harm our country by deporting them and pretend that it's about patriotism and the rule of law while I turn a blind eye to all the crime not committed by this subset of people"

I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN!!!

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

For he record, he is on your side. Just so you know.

Who is on my side? WTF are you talking about?

 

[Sharkinva]

Who is on my side? WTF are you talking about?

Calm down. GK is one who believes that American Slavery was not the worst in the world (debatable) And his major gripe is that I feel while it may or may not have one of the worst situations in history (yes IM biased). My real issue with it today is, the effects still last in this country because the mentality that some had towards blacks during slavery is still being actively taught to some of the youth in this country today.

 

[gkekoa]

WTF are you talking about??


American Slaves were, for the most part, kept alive. Muslims killed most of their slaves.

There are hundreds of millions of descendants of American slaves.

Where are the descendants of Arab slaves???



So what the fuck are you talking about? How many were killed/exterminated under the Chinese Communist Regime???


How many Africans have been killed by other Africans???

Dude...read what I wrote. I said whites are nowhere close in the slavery department. You may want to learn to read or just not get angry until you know you need to.