Monday Night Football: Minnesota @ Seattle 8:15pm ET ESPN

[CaptainStubing]

They can't afford to bench Cousins at $28 million fully guaranteed to another 2 seasons. Unfortunately, they backed themselves into a corner big time with that terrible contract. If anything, this blunder should result in their GM Rick Spielman and the entire Zimmer coaching staff getting canned.

They have no choice but to roll with Cousins for another 2 years, so they might as well fire the guys in charge who were responsible for these failures and give it another chance under new leadership. Spielman has been in charge since like 2011 or something and Zim since 2014, so if this is all they have to show in 5 years running the show together (longer for Spielman), I for one am beyond ready for them to move on and find new management/coaching.

Eh, things can always change directions very quickly. Drafting a quarterback is very inexpensive so if they did ultimately cut cousins, they would have to eat his contract but they could do that with a quarterback under a rookie contract, which is nothing

 

[The Oldtimer]

I keep reading the refs missed a big illegal block by Seattle. If so, chalk up another one in a long list of prime time ref help in Seattle.

Fucking crybaby!!!! Still crying about a Packers loss to the Hawks years ago, aren't you? Read the NFL rule book, that block was legal.

"Under the rule, IT IS ONLY A PENALTY FOR A PLAYER TO TAKE A RUNNING START AND THEN LEAP OVER THE LINE TO ATTEMPT TO BLOCK THE KICK ".

 

[Nelly]

They can't afford to bench Cousins at $28 million fully guaranteed to another 2 seasons. Unfortunately, they backed themselves into a corner big time with that terrible contract. If anything, this blunder should result in their GM Rick Spielman and the entire Zimmer coaching staff getting canned.

They have no choice but to roll with Cousins for another 2 years, so they might as well fire the guys in charge who were responsible for these failures and give it another chance under new leadership. Spielman has been in charge since like 2011 or something and Zim since 2014, so if this is all they have to show in 5 years running the show together (longer for Spielman), I for one am beyond ready for them to move on and find new management/coaching.

I don't think Cousins is to blame, not entirely. You knew you were getting a good but not great QB when you signed him, hoping he could maybe make the leap to great with the weapons the Vikings have.

For the first half of the season it seemed the defense wasn't showing up like you expected but the offense was making plays even in spite of the offensive line sucking. Cousins had an abnormally high "under pressure" grade from PFF which they speculated he wouldn't be able to sustain, and my guess is that he hasn't according to numbers from the last 4 games or so. Now that the defense is playing well, the offense can't keep up cause their line sucks so bad and perhaps defenses have figured them out a bit along with that. Not a good recipe for the Vikes.

Back to Cousins though, when i say it's not all his fault... if you traded Trubisky for Cousins this instant, i would think most people would consider the Bears a much bigger threat to make and even win the superbowl than they are now. That's not to say "yay Cousins is better than Trubisky" but rather what the Vikings were going for: defensive team that has plenty of offensive potential to help out. It just hasn't worked out, but that's the NFL for ya.

It could be worse: you could be the Packers.

 

[The Derski]

Fucking crybaby!!!! Still crying about a Packers loss to the Hawks years ago, aren't you? Read the NFL rule book, that block was legal.

"Under the rule, IT IS ONLY A PENALTY FOR A PLAYER TO TAKE A RUNNING START AND THEN LEAP OVER THE LINE TO ATTEMPT TO BLOCK THE KICK ".

Calm down and take your meds geezer.

Here’s why Bobby Wagner’s field goal block was illegal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...lock-win-over-vikings/?utm_term=.8cfb975f868b
Ref picks up crucial flag for illegal Block Vikings-Seahawks MNF game
Officials botch pivotal blocked Bobby Wagner FG call, help Seahawks win in primetime again over Vikings
Refs get absolutely blasted for screwing up huge call on blocked field goal by Seahawks
Vikings Hosed After Bobby Wagner Gets Away with Illegal Field Goal Block

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

People need to stop with the blocked FG by Wagner. It was a bad missed call, period. His hands were on his own players which constitutes leverage and his foot hit an O-lineman. Enough said.
Truth is it makes absolutely no difference in the game, period. Maybe Minny gets 3 points. Big fucking whoop. Their offense was hot garbage the whole game and it was only a matter of time before Cousins coughed the ball up. Cousins is just that bad when the lights are bright and Seattle's D played good.

 

[The Derski]

It’s just a shame that the Seahawks seemingly can’t play a prime time game without benefiting from the officials in one way or another. It’s like clockwork.

Prime time Seahawks game = officiating controversy

 

[The Oldtimer]

Calm down and take your meds geezer.

Here’s why Bobby Wagner’s field goal block was illegal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...lock-win-over-vikings/?utm_term=.8cfb975f868b
Ref picks up crucial flag for illegal Block Vikings-Seahawks MNF game
Officials botch pivotal blocked Bobby Wagner FG call, help Seahawks win in primetime again over Vikings
Refs get absolutely blasted for screwing up huge call on blocked field goal by Seahawks
Vikings Hosed After Bobby Wagner Gets Away with Illegal Field Goal Block

Read the NFL rule book, the refs ruled it an legal block of a field goal.

Running forward and leaping across the line of scrimmage in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or Try Kick, unless the player was in a stationary position on the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. A player who is behind the line of scrimmage before, or at the snap, may run forward and leap, provided he does not cross the line of scrimmage or land on players.

What this means is that players will still be allowed to jump straight up to block a kick, but will not be able to take a running start and jump over the line of blockers. Linemen who are stationary at the snap will also still be allowed to leap

 

[The Derski]

Read the NFL rule book, the refs ruled it an legal block of a field goal.

Running forward and leaping across the line of scrimmage in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or Try Kick, unless the player was in a stationary position on the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. A player who is behind the line of scrimmage before, or at the snap, may run forward and leap, provided he does not cross the line of scrimmage or land on players.

What this means is that players will still be allowed to jump straight up to block a kick, but will not be able to take a running start and jump over the line of blockers. Linemen who are stationary at the snap will also still be allowed to leap

You can’t launch yourself using another player.

It’s science.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Calm down and take your meds geezer.

Here’s why Bobby Wagner’s field goal block was illegal
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...lock-win-over-vikings/?utm_term=.8cfb975f868b
Ref picks up crucial flag for illegal Block Vikings-Seahawks MNF game
Officials botch pivotal blocked Bobby Wagner FG call, help Seahawks win in primetime again over Vikings
Refs get absolutely blasted for screwing up huge call on blocked field goal by Seahawks
Vikings Hosed After Bobby Wagner Gets Away with Illegal Field Goal Block

However, that was not what was wrong with Wagner’s leap. Wagner did not get a running start, having originally been lined up in a stationary position at the line of scrimmage. UNDER THE RULE IT IS ONLY A PENALTY FOR A PLAYER TO TAKE A RUNNING START AND THE LEAP OVER THE LINE TO ATTEMPT TO BLOCK THE KICK!!!!

 

[The Derski]

However, that was not what was wrong with Wagner’s leap. Wagner did not get a running start, having originally been lined up in a stationary position at the line of scrimmage. UNDER THE RULE IT IS ONLY A PENALTY FOR A PLAYER TO TAKE A RUNNING START AND THE LEAP OVER THE LINE TO ATTEMPT TO BLOCK THE KICK!!!!

Lol

 

[The Oldtimer]

Lol

I sorry Derski that is how the NFL rules book reads. I think the ref explained last night why he picked up the flag.

Running forward and leaping across the LOS in an obvious attempt to block a kick "UNLESS" the leaping player was in a stationary position on the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped.

 

[The Oldtimer]

It’s just a shame that the Seahawks seemingly can’t play a prime time game without benefiting from the officials in one way or another. It’s like clockwork.

Prime time Seahawks game = officiating controversy

LOL, still crying I see.

 

[GhostOfPoverty]

Eh, things can always change directions very quickly. Drafting a quarterback is very inexpensive so if they did ultimately cut cousins, they would have to eat his contract but they could do that with a quarterback under a rookie contract, which is nothing

They aren't cutting Cousins at $28 mil /year fully guaranteed. It they decide to draft a guy before Cousins is gone, Cousins will start until he's ready and/or ride the pine until his deal is up. Obviously trading him with that type of contract would be totally out of the question unless he agreed to restructure just for a chance to leave early, but why would he do that when the whole point of his deal was to guarantee he got paid now while also setting up another crack at hitting the FA market?

But yeah, rookie QB contract for a new guy or not, they're screwed for awhile if Cousins can't get it together. The chances of them drafting a guy who can produce at anywhere near the level Cousins was supposed to at his pay rate before he's gone or almost immediately afterwards is almost zero. Worst of all, Cousins guarantees they won't go worse than 6-10 to 9-7 each year depending on strength of schedule (but no better), so they will always be picking in the middle of the first round at best. Like I said, him busting fuks that franchise beyond belief in every way until years after he's gone.

The fact of the matter is we should have let the Jets have him and sign Keenum to a 2-3 year deal while we developed our own draft pick, whether that meant trading up in a draft to do so or not. The Cousins signing was a Superbowl or bust style move, and it's busting HARD.

 

[Pure Steel]

"Part of the league's rule made it illegal for players to get a running start before they tried to jump up and block kicks. Wagner didn't violate that rule."

"However, he did violate a different part of the rule that prohibits players from gaining additional height by using their hands to push up on their teammates en route to the block."

 

[The Derski]

LOL, still crying I see.

You blind? You’ve literally replied to two of my comments since that comment. Lol

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

OT, you are right about running up and leaping but this other rule is what I think is in question.

According to the rule book, it is illegal for a player to place "a hand or hands on a teammate or opponent to gain additional height to block or attempt to block an opponent's apparent kick, or in an attempt to jump through a gap to block an opponent's kick or apparent kick."

Again though, I don't think it's worth making such a big stink about.

 

[CaptainStubing]

The chances of them drafting a guy who can produce at anywhere near the level Cousins was supposed to at his pay rate before he's gone or almost immediately afterwards is almost zero.

Maybe I am not understanding your point with this statement but I'm not sure why the Vikings would be restricted from drafting a good Young quarterback? Teams do it all the time.

I understand they have to pay cousins a lot of guaranteed money. However, if he struggles again next year there is nothing to hold them back from drafting a good Young quarterback in 2020. Rookie contracts are super cheap so they could afford it and the rookie may be better than cousins right from the outset

 

[Fountain City Blues]

 

[The Oldtimer]

You blind? You’ve literally replied to two of my comments since that comment. Lol

But I'm no crying about a ref's decision to pick up a flag in last night's game.

 

[The Oldtimer]

OT, you are right about running up and leaping but this other rule is what I think is in question.

According to the rule book, it is illegal for a player to place "a hand or hands on a teammate or opponent to gain additional height to block or attempt to block an opponent's apparent kick, or in an attempt to jump through a gap to block an opponent's kick or apparent kick."

Again though, I don't think it's worth making such a big stink about.

Yes I sgree, the "hands or hands on a teammate" is a different story all together. You are right it's not worth crying about that play, the refs made a decision and now it's time to move on.