Week 8 LOL thread

[Wamu]

lol @ me! I'm drunk on a Tuesday night.

One bourbon, one scotch & one beer?

 

[ericd7633]

OSU fans are stubborn. They seem to think they are immune to missing on a recruit or multiple recruits. They think you plug in and the freshmen will play like experienced upperclassmen.
Truth is — some of them will. Reality is — many of them won’t. When you lose 7 or 8 guys from your defense, as well as Bosa — you are not going to be the same defense the majority of the time.
He continues to talk about guys they recruited at LB who were top 100 recruits, but they couldn’t beat out the guys they have starting. OSU’s LB crew reminds me of UM’s a few years ago in Harbaugh’s first year. We had 3 average guys, nothing special about them, but they were the best we had to put out there. They were good against weaker teams, but wouldn’t get run off the field by any team with speed.
Their safeties are freak athletes but have zero instincts and play recognition. I wish I could find the video of that Purdue TD run on Saturday. Pryor literally had no idea the RB had the ball 10+ yards down the field until he ran by him.

Sad part is — OSU has an offense that can score on anyone so they still have a shot to win out. I just hope UM doesn’t have any slip ups. Will be fun to watch OSU’s offense and UM’s defense go at each other.

It appears they've already missed on Cooper and Cornell who were high 4 star recruits, who have produced next to nothing in their careers. And now they are relying on 3 star DT's along with Jones, or highly rated DT Freshman. I was actually surprised by what I found when looking it up. There's no depth on their D-line. I'm surprised he would be saying this line is better than the one in 2014.

 

[ericd7633]

lol @ me! I'm drunk on a Tuesday night.

Troy at South Alabama is gonna be lit tonight!

 

[KnightAndDay]

 

[Across The Field]

I'm not sure how anyone can have either of them as a projected 1st rounder let alone a top 10 pick. Chase Young has potential, sure, but when you're getting shredded in the run game, and are inconsistent getting pressure on the QB, I'm not sure how that translates to a potential 1st round selection. Ohio State is 77th in the country in rush yards allowed per attempt on defense, and that's with having played Rutgers and Tulane. That is by a WIDE margin the worst of any team in the time frame we're talking about(2014-2018). I don't see anyway that this D-Line is better than 2014, without Bosa. Maybe it's all on the LB's and secondary, but you yourself said it's mostly the same players, or players that played last year, the one difference is the D-Line. Last year Ohio State was 3rd in the country in rushing yards allowed per attempt.

I mean, look at any mock draft out there for 2019 and 2020, they're both on there, and for good reason. Jones is a defensive tackle with 6 sacks in 8 games to go along with a FF, INT, PD, and TD, and since the first half of week 3, he's been basically the focus on the line of every team we face. Young is a true sophomore with 5 sacks and his 4 PDs place him near the top of the nation among defensive linemen. I know you look at mock drafts and draft analyses, this is no secret.

They're getting shredded in the run game because our LBs are constantly out of position, leaving wide open lanes. Our DL can't stop every single run right at the line. With proper alignment, this wouldn't be as big an issue, but shit you've seen it.

Missing Bosa hurt. With him healthy, we were absolutely better than 2014. He is at least as good as Joey, Dre'Mont is exponentially better than Bennett, and Young is much better than Washington as is, let alone what he'll be after next year. Landers, again, is also projected to be drafted in the middle rounds.

 

[Across The Field]

Ok — so feel free to tell me the different scheme they are running? Last I checked they are running a 4-3 with the exception of obvious passing downs where they bring in a nickel package. They are still running the same man cover 0 or cover 1 scheme they’ve ran since Schiano took over.

So tell me what schemes are now different other than having CB’s struggle in man coverage?

And I know this is going to come as a shock — yes, it happens where you miss out on a bunch of recruits or a number of recruits at the same position. If you’d like to see an instance where it happened for Urban Meyer — look at his last year at Florida. Top 5 recruiting classes and a 7-5 team before he had ‘health issues’. Look at Michigan — we’ve had 5 star QB’s (Shane Morris) we had the #1 duals threat QB in Devin Gardner, etc and went almost a decade without an actual QB worth a damn.

And I’m not talking out of my ass. Anyone with two eyes can see the major flaws with OSU this year. They rank near the bottom in all of CFB for 30+ yard plays given up. The same defense who finished in the top 10 in the country running the exact same defense they are now. Difference is — they don’t have the talent or the athletes this year, especially at LB and S. If it makes u feel better to blame the position coach — feel free.

The difference?
1. For whatever reason this year, something I've never seen us do, our LBs are walking up to the damn line trying to guess the gaps. They were never coached to do that in the past. Look at both the long TD runs against Purdue. Both times, the second level is empty. We never used to do that crap.
2. Again, we exclusively seem to run man this year. We have always used stunts or different looks in the past. This year, nope. To go along with it, he's had no idea how to properly line his guys up against certain looks, and it's burned us. Why do you think all of the sudden every single person in the USA can complete a slant against us for big yards?
3. We don't do any press coverage, and we don't have any aggression. This was where Coombs comes in. He had these guys fired up with the way he coached his DBs. Stan Drayton? Not so much.

Hope this helps. Or you can just keep on believing that every player on our defense suddenly forgot how to play football. Oh, and comparing michigan is a joke. You've had talent for years, but with dogshit coaches.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

The difference?
1. For whatever reason this year, something I've never seen us do, our LBs are walking up to the damn line trying to guess the gaps. They were never coached to do that in the past. Look at both the long TD runs against Purdue. Both times, the second level is empty. We never used to do that crap.
2. Again, we exclusively seem to run man this year. We have always used stunts or different looks in the past. This year, nope. To go along with it, he's had no idea how to properly line his guys up against certain looks, and it's burned us. Why do you think all of the sudden every single person in the USA can complete a slant against us for big yards?
3. We don't do any press coverage, and we don't have any aggression. This was where Coombs comes in. He had these guys fired up with the way he coached his DBs. Stan Drayton? Not so much.

Hope this helps. Or you can just keep on believing that every player on our defense suddenly forgot how to play football. Oh, and comparing michigan is a joke. You've had talent for years, but with dogshit coaches.

1. Yes you guys have — almost every team does it. It is to make the OL and QB guess if you are blitzing. Sometimes you drop in coverage, sometimes you actually blitz.

2. You guys have exclusively run man since Schiano came over as DC. Ash is the one who ran the zone quarters for your defense. Schiano switched it to man and you ran it in 2016, you ran it in 2017 and you run it this year. If you don’t believe me — maybe you will believe eleven warriors:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.el...o-states-reliance-on-playing-man-coverage?amp

Took me all of two seconds to find an article stating almost exactly what I said to you.

3. Playing straight man is great if you have the personnel to be successful in it. The great defenses at MSU 5-6 years ago played it. OSU has done it the last 3 years. UM has done it the last 3 years. If you don’t have the type of CB’s needed or safeties to help out — you get what has happened to OSU this year — giving up a ton of big plays.

4. An extra one for you — on top of losing Sprinkle, Hubbard, Lewis and Lynal on the DL, you are don’t have Bosa — Getting after the QB can mask a secondaries weakness. A DL that struggles with the run can get masked by great LB’s.
Right now — Neither of these are working in OSU’s favor.

I also have a feeling — if Haskins leaves early for the NFL — Meyer will bow out with ‘health issues’ after this year.

 

[ericd7633]

I mean, look at any mock draft out there for 2019 and 2020, they're both on there, and for good reason. Jones is a defensive tackle with 6 sacks in 8 games to go along with a FF, INT, PD, and TD, and since the first half of week 3, he's been basically the focus on the line of every team we face. Young is a true sophomore with 5 sacks and his 4 PDs place him near the top of the nation among defensive linemen. I know you look at mock drafts and draft analyses, this is no secret.

They're getting shredded in the run game because our LBs are constantly out of position, leaving wide open lanes. Our DL can't stop every single run right at the line. With proper alignment, this wouldn't be as big an issue, but shit you've seen it.

Missing Bosa hurt. With him healthy, we were absolutely better than 2014. He is at least as good as Joey, Dre'Mont is exponentially better than Bennett, and Young is much better than Washington as is, let alone what he'll be after next year. Landers, again, is also projected to be drafted in the middle rounds.

I've seen Jones at the back end of the 1st round in 1 of the 4 I've looked at. I didn't look at anything in 2020, but like I said Young has potential to get there. I'm not seeing it with Landers, he's a redshirt junior with 2 TFL and 0 sacks this season. And it's not like he's some high end talent, he was only a 3 star out of high school. If Ohio State had any depth on D-line he doesn't see the field.

And if that's the case with your LB's they simply aren't very good. Harrison was a 3 star, Borland a low end 4 star and Werner a 4 star sophomore. That or simply need more experience to make up for their lack of talent.

 

[Across The Field]

1. Yes you guys have — almost every team does it. It is to make the OL and QB guess if you are blitzing. Sometimes you drop in coverage, sometimes you actually blitz.

2. You guys have exclusively run man since Schiano came over as DC. Ash is the one who ran the zone quarters for your defense. Schiano switched it to man and you ran it in 2016, you ran it in 2017 and you run it this year. If you don’t believe me — maybe you will believe eleven warriors:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/film-study/2018/02/91342/film-study-the-pros-and-cons-of-ohio-states-reliance-on-playing-man-coverage?amp

Took me all of two seconds to find an article stating almost exactly what I said to you.

3. Playing straight man is great if you have the personnel to be successful in it. The great defenses at MSU 5-6 years ago played it. OSU has done it the last 3 years. UM has done it the last 3 years. If you don’t have the type of CB’s needed or safeties to help out — you get what has happened to OSU this year — giving up a ton of big plays.

4. An extra one for you — on top of losing Sprinkle, Hubbard, Lewis and Lynal on the DL, you are don’t have Bosa — Getting after the QB can mask a secondaries weakness. A DL that struggles with the run can get masked by great LB’s.
Right now — Neither of these are working in OSU’s favor.

I also have a feeling — if Haskins leaves early for the NFL — Meyer will bow out with ‘health issues’ after this year.

1. There's the problem - they're not dropping back when they do it. Again, I reference the two long TDs at Purdue as a perfect example. It has not only caused us to be gashed up the middle in the run game, it has caused us to be extremely vulnerable against slants because they're in man-coverage almost all the time (something you don't see teams like Alabama and Clemson doing). A good coach sees that he has a young secondary and adjusts to where the problem very obviously lies. Schiano hasn't.
2. I'm aware that we have. That's Schiano's bread and butter. You can get away with it when you have veteran LBs who aren't standing at the LOS when the ball is snapped. This year, that is not the case, and again, Schiano has failed to adjust accordingly. That article even echos the fact that the top defenses do not run this type of defense.
3. Those great defenses had experienced players at LB and DB, and again, didn't have LBs standing at the LOS all the time. It's extremely easy to see this if you watch OSU play. They're repeatedly gauged over the middle for slants on a weekly basis because our LBs aren't in coverage, and in the big run plays we've given up, all it take is the RB finding one crease and then there's nobody around for miles.
4. I don't know where you got that Sprinkle was some amazing player. He isn't even in the NFL. I'm aware we lost veteran leadership on the line, but it's not as if we don't have talent. The DL hasn't been the issue this year. We're currently 3rd in sacks in the nation, and that's with Bosa only playing 2.5 games. That said, a DL cannot stop every single run at the LOS, and when there are no LBs at the second level, you're going to get killed in the running game. Yet again, that's on the scheme.
It's pathetic that you say "health issues" about a man who has actual, well-documented health issues.

 

[Across The Field]

I've seen Jones at the back end of the 1st round in 1 of the 4 I've looked at. I didn't look at anything in 2020, but like I said Young has potential to get there. I'm not seeing it with Landers, he's a redshirt junior with 2 TFL and 0 sacks this season. And it's not like he's some high end talent, he was only a 3 star out of high school. If Ohio State had any depth on D-line he doesn't see the field.

And if that's the case with your LB's they simply aren't very good. Harrison was a 3 star, Borland a low end 4 star and Werner a 4 star sophomore. That or simply need more experience to make up for their lack of talent.

Both walterfootball and Charlie Campbell have him in the first round, though both have dropped him over the last month it would appear. Draftsite.com has him 13th, USAToday has him 26th, drafttek has him 25th. These are literally the first 5 mocks that appear on Google when you type "2019 Mock Draft".

Landers isn't the type of guy that's going to put up huge stats, but he absorbs blockers and gets into the backfield. I'm not saying he'll be a 1-2 rounder or even 3rd, but he will be drafted.

That's the case with our LBs because that's where they're being told to be. I've never seen it before at OSU, where our LBs were basically non-existent at the 2nd level when the ball is snapped. While we do run a man coverage scheme primarily, I've never seen us just completely and entirely abandon the zone, especially against teams that are exposing man coverage. We have the talent at LB and DB, but you have to account for experience and not rely on them to play man like you could in the past when we had that experience. It's also a big part of why we're 119th in the nation in turnovers. Running a zone will cut down on the PI calls. It's up to him to make the adjustment, and he's simply not doing it.

 

[7Samurai13]

Man, you guys fuxked up another LOL thread.

Michigan is relevant again, expect most threads to get fucked up by this.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

1. There's the problem - they're not dropping back when they do it. Again, I reference the two long TDs at Purdue as a perfect example. It has not only caused us to be gashed up the middle in the run game, it has caused us to be extremely vulnerable against slants because they're in man-coverage almost all the time (something you don't see teams like Alabama and Clemson doing). A good coach sees that he has a young secondary and adjusts to where the problem very obviously lies. Schiano hasn't.
2. I'm aware that we have. That's Schiano's bread and butter. You can get away with it when you have veteran LBs who aren't standing at the LOS when the ball is snapped. This year, that is not the case, and again, Schiano has failed to adjust accordingly. That article even echos the fact that the top defenses do not run this type of defense.
3. Those great defenses had experienced players at LB and DB, and again, didn't have LBs standing at the LOS all the time. It's extremely easy to see this if you watch OSU play. They're repeatedly gauged over the middle for slants on a weekly basis because our LBs aren't in coverage, and in the big run plays we've given up, all it take is the RB finding one crease and then there's nobody around for miles.
4. I don't know where you got that Sprinkle was some amazing player. He isn't even in the NFL. I'm aware we lost veteran leadership on the line, but it's not as if we don't have talent. The DL hasn't been the issue this year. We're currently 3rd in sacks in the nation, and that's with Bosa only playing 2.5 games. That said, a DL cannot stop every single run at the LOS, and when there are no LBs at the second level, you're going to get killed in the running game. Yet again, that's on the scheme.
It's pathetic that you say "health issues" about a man who has actual, well-documented health issues.

1. I watch OSU every week. If you watched the game with sound — you literally hear Herbstreit talk about how OSU brought the LB’s up on the last 3rd and long and instead of blitzing they dropped back in coverage.
Every team does this. Why? Because so many teams use a spread, where they line up, then the offense looks to the sideline and they get the call after seeing how the defense sets up. By bringing the LB’s up, it makes the offense guess who is coming, who is dropping in coverage, etc.

And slant routes are on your CB’s — LB responsibilities are the TE’s and crossing routes. Just an FYI.

2. Michigan has exclusively run man coverage since Don Brown came over and they have had a top 3 defense every year. OSU has exclusively run man defense since Schiano came over — they were top 10 defense the last two years.
I’m going to guess you didn’t play football growing up. This is not meant as a jab — but you don’t seem to understand position responsibilities. Getting beat on slants in man coverage has nothing to do with your LB’s. If they were running a 10 yard crossing pattern over the middle — then yeah, you can blame the LB’s — OSU is getting beat on slants (that’s 100% on the CB).

3. OSU does not have experienced players anywhere on the defensive side of the ball, yet you expect them to be as good as the teams who did have them. I promise you this — Urban Meyer is putting his 11 best players on the field defensively to give OSU a chance to win. So what you see is what you get. They do not have very good LB’s right now and they have safeties who gets lost in coverage and lack any instincts.

4. Talent doesn’t mean production. You can have all the talent in the world, but you have to have it between the ears to be successful in college. Every player you see has talent — not every player has the will to get the most out of that talent or the brains to compete at the college level. Baron Browning is an absolute freak athlete and I wanted him at UM so bad — but he can’t even beat out the guys starting for OSU. That speaks volumes about what he has between the ears.

 

[Across The Field]

1. I watch OSU every week. If you watched the game with sound — you literally hear Herbstreit talk about how OSU brought the LB’s up on the last 3rd and long and instead of blitzing they dropped back in coverage.
Every team does this. Why? Because so many teams use a spread, where they line up, then the offense looks to the sideline and they get the call after seeing how the defense sets up. By bringing the LB’s up, it makes the offense guess who is coming, who is dropping in coverage, etc.

And slant routes are on your CB’s — LB responsibilities are the TE’s and crossing routes. Just an FYI.

2. Michigan has exclusively run man coverage since Don Brown came over and they have had a top 3 defense every year. OSU has exclusively run man defense since Schiano came over — they were top 10 defense the last two years.
I’m going to guess you didn’t play football growing up. This is not meant as a jab — but you don’t seem to understand position responsibilities. Getting beat on slants in man coverage has nothing to do with your LB’s. If they were running a 10 yard crossing pattern over the middle — then yeah, you can blame the LB’s — OSU is getting beat on slants (that’s 100% on the CB).

3. OSU does not have experienced players anywhere on the defensive side of the ball, yet you expect them to be as good as the teams who did have them. I promise you this — Urban Meyer is putting his 11 best players on the field defensively to give OSU a chance to win. So what you see is what you get. They do not have very good LB’s right now and they have safeties who gets lost in coverage and lack any instincts.

4. Talent doesn’t mean production. You can have all the talent in the world, but you have to have it between the ears to be successful in college. Every player you see has talent — not every player has the will to get the most out of that talent or the brains to compete at the college level. Baron Browning is an absolute freak athlete and I wanted him at UM so bad — but he can’t even beat out the guys starting for OSU. That speaks volumes about what he has between the ears.

If you are getting repeatedly beat on slants, what are you to do as a competent coach? As someone who did play football growing up for years, I know that you switch to a zone. It leads to more turnovers, fewer guys out of place, fewer penalties, and fewer CBs having to constantly be chasing WRs from behind. Again, when you have inexperienced players, a good coach knows you have to adjust. For example, against Minnesota, there was a series in the first half where they ran slants 3 straight plays. If you're in zone, that's not happening, and the offense then has to adjust their approach.

I'd also strongly argue that LBs absolutely do play a big role in helping prevent slants passes at least from becoming 15-20 yard gains. If we have someone like Malik Harrison at OLB in a zone, and the QB throws a slant, he's going to be in a great spot to pick it off, or at the very least stop it for a short gain.

Again, I find it nearly impossible that Urban Meyer, who has been one of the best talent evaluators in the game for the better part of 2 decades, just happened to completely whiff on an entire back 7 of a defense, as well as all of the depth. And again, the part about the LBs walking up to the LOS so much and being out of place - even Bobby Carpenter pointed that out this week on his radio show as being abnormal and stupid, and something the coaches have to change. This isn't just me saying these things, you know.

 

[B_dub]

I was going to say “wrong forum” , then I remembered this started as the LOL thread. I forgot for a while there.

 

[ericd7633]

Both walterfootball and Charlie Campbell have him in the first round, though both have dropped him over the last month it would appear. Draftsite.com has him 13th, USAToday has him 26th, drafttek has him 25th. These are literally the first 5 mocks that appear on Google when you type "2019 Mock Draft".

Landers isn't the type of guy that's going to put up huge stats, but he absorbs blockers and gets into the backfield. I'm not saying he'll be a 1-2 rounder or even 3rd, but he will be drafted.

That's the case with our LBs because that's where they're being told to be. I've never seen it before at OSU, where our LBs were basically non-existent at the 2nd level when the ball is snapped. While we do run a man coverage scheme primarily, I've never seen us just completely and entirely abandon the zone, especially against teams that are exposing man coverage. We have the talent at LB and DB, but you have to account for experience and not rely on them to play man like you could in the past when we had that experience. It's also a big part of why we're 119th in the nation in turnovers. Running a zone will cut down on the PI calls. It's up to him to make the adjustment, and he's simply not doing it.

I had a CBS and B/R mock come up and he wasn't in either one. Those we're what I was referencing. He was in the Walter one I saw. I'll disagree, but we'll get to see who ends up being correct on the assessment.

And I just disagree in regards to the talent at LB.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Michigan is relevant again, expect most threads to get fucked up by this.

wasn't me. I lol'd like I was supposed to.

 

[THUNDER]

Will lol all season at Ohio State gettin curb-stomped by fuckin Purdue!...

 

[Across The Field]

I had a CBS and B/R mock come up and he wasn't in either one. Those we're what I was referencing. He was in the Walter one I saw. I'll disagree, but we'll get to see who ends up being correct on the assessment.

And I just disagree in regards to the talent at LB.

What reason would there be to believe that Young is not a first rounder, other than blatant anti-OSU sentiment? He has freakish size/length/athleticism, and statistically he's been extremely impressive, and he's still only a 2nd year player.

 

[ericd7633]

What reason would there be to believe that Young is not a first rounder, other than blatant anti-OSU sentiment? He has freakish size/length/athleticism, and statistically he's been extremely impressive, and he's still only a 2nd year player.

I was talking about Jones being a 1st rounder. I think Young has the potential to be a 1st rounder for sure. I even said that eariler.

 

[Across The Field]

I was talking about Jones being a 1st rounder. I think Young has the potential to be a 1st rounder for sure. I even said that eariler.

I see. I'll go with the experts on this one.