Yu Darvish

[dmc0015]

Somewhere TB's head just exploded with all this spending talk. I'm all for it because I completely trust the ownership and management of this team. If they bring the payroll upto the $160+ million range then they know the organization can afford it. Crazy to think that the Rangers might just become one of those teams that people are envious of because they spend money on key free agents.

 

[Al Falfa]

my thoughts exactly

There is a big difference between giving $100 million to a proven major league pitcher like CJ or King Felix and giving 100 million to a Japanese pitcher based on projections. We've already got two that were lights out elsewhere and are presently getting their asses handed to them on a regular basis. It's a different ball game over here and it's been proven time after time and t's sure a different ball game in 100 degree heat.

 

[scotsman1948]

Somewhere TB's head just exploded with all this spending talk. I'm all for it because I completely trust the ownership and management of this team. If they bring the payroll upto the $160+ million range then they know the organization can afford it. Crazy to think that the Rangers might just become one of those teams that people are envious of because they spend money on key free agents.

over on ESPN TB beat me up for making similar comments on his feelings about trading for or spending big money to bring in players. i can understand that he feels strongly that it is better to build your team internally and limit trades and free agent signings to players that aren't going to cost the team valuable prospects or large amounts of money or that are going impact prospects from coming up.

this season our payroll is around 92M and we could see that increase nexy season to around 130-140M

 

[scotsman1948]

There is a big difference between giving $100 million to a proven major league pitcher like CJ or King Felix and giving 100 million to a Japanese pitcher based on projections. We've already got two that were lights out elsewhere and are presently getting their asses handed to them on a regular basis. It's a different ball game over here and it's been proven time after time and t's sure a different ball game in 100 degree heat.

if you're talking about Holland, he's starting to show he's got what it takes to pitch in the big leagues. Ogando has nearly doubled the number of innings he's ever pitched in a season so he's still a project in my mind. Harrison is a younger version of Holland and could be a beast in a year or 2. throw in a Darvish in place of Lewis and suddenly you have a beast of a starting pitching staff.

 

[fordman84]

There is a big difference between giving $100 million to a proven major league pitcher like CJ or King Felix and giving 100 million to a Japanese pitcher based on projections. We've already got two that were lights out elsewhere and are presently getting their asses handed to them on a regular basis. It's a different ball game over here and it's been proven time after time and t's sure a different ball game in 100 degree heat.

The point wasn't about projections, it was about the fact that he has so many innings on a young arm. My only point was that 1k innings for a 24 year old isn't the end of the world.


I think everyone here agrees that it is better to spend money on the known commodity. However, I wouldn't avoid making an offer for him just because of the workload on his arm.

 

[scotsman1948]

other than CJ, who else is going to be available with his kind of arm?

 

[jta4437]

other than CJ, who else is going to be available with his kind of arm?

He's an unknown commodity pitching overseas, How would we even know who has his kind of arm?

Base it on the video? I could compile a video of Lewis' best pitches too and make him look like he deserves 100 million a year

 

[fordman84]

He's an unknown commodity pitching overseas, How would we even know who has his kind of arm?

Base it on the video? I could compile a video of Lewis' best pitches too and make him look like he deserves 100 million a year

unknown to us on this board. What we have seen, he looks good. Looking at his record, he looks good.


The decision will be made by our scouts that I'm sure have been watching him lately, if not all season.

 

[Al Falfa]

The point wasn't about projections, it was about the fact that he has so many innings on a young arm. My only point was that 1k innings for a 24 year old isn't the end of the world.


I think everyone here agrees that it is better to spend money on the known commodity. However, I wouldn't avoid making an offer for him just because of the workload on his arm.

The "projections" point I was refering to was Mr Scotsman's original statement about him grading out.

 

[Al Falfa]

if you're talking about Holland, he's starting to show he's got what it takes to pitch in the big leagues. Ogando has nearly doubled the number of innings he's ever pitched in a season so he's still a project in my mind. Harrison is a younger version of Holland and could be a beast in a year or 2. throw in a Darvish in place of Lewis and suddenly you have a beast of a starting pitching staff.

I was refering to Euhara and Tateyama.

 

[Windingmywatch]

There is a big difference between giving $100 million to a proven major league pitcher like CJ or King Felix and giving 100 million to a Japanese pitcher based on projections. We've already got two that were lights out elsewhere and are presently getting their asses handed to them on a regular basis. It's a different ball game over here and it's been proven time after time and t's sure a different ball game in 100 degree heat.

+1 ... he comes here and he's just a rookie.

 

[scotsman1948]

+1 ... he comes here and he's just a rookie.

yeah, a "rookie" who has basically pitched 6 years in what amounts to AAA or AAAA baseball and has fully developed and is ready for the big leagues. to me it would be a major mistake to pass on him.

 

[scotsman1948]

I was refering to Euhara and Tateyama.

so you see them struggling a little and that makes them immediate failures. well by those standards, every pitcher on the staff, except CJ, must be a failure because everyone of them has struggled. and let's write Darvish because he happens to be Japanese too

 

[Al Falfa]

so you see them struggling a little and that makes them immediate failures. well by those standards, every pitcher on the staff, except CJ, must be a failure because everyone of them has struggled. and let's write Darvish because he happens to be Japanese too

You'll have to admit that dating back to CHOP, the 54 million dollar walking clitoris, longevity and stellar production hasn't exactly been the trend with Asian pitchers around these parts.

 

[Windingmywatch]

yeah, a "rookie" who has basically pitched 6 years in what amounts to AAA or AAAA baseball and has fully developed and is ready for the big leagues. to me it would be a major mistake to pass on him.

Yep. He'd be a rookie ... and how many conventional rookies gifted with a #2 spot in the rotation by the media and fan base are busts like so many other Japanese league SPs that come here?

 

[Windingmywatch]

Joey posted this item in his daily post at BBTIA today:

"According to a source of NPB Tracker's Patrick Newman, Nippon Ham wants to post ace pitcher -- and oft-rumored Rangers target -- Yu Darvish in the stateside market this off-season, but Darvish himself is "still undecided on whether this offseason is the right time to make the leap to MLB."

If Darvish is undecided ... then that means he's not committed to the exposure ... and he's not ready. With that in mind ... I'd love to see NYY blow a whole lot of money on him and install him high in their rotation ... then with high expectations watch him get eaten alive in the ALE like others before him.

 

[scotsman1948]

Joey posted this item in his daily post at BBTIA today:

"According to a source of NPB Tracker's Patrick Newman, Nippon Ham wants to post ace pitcher -- and oft-rumored Rangers target -- Yu Darvish in the stateside market this off-season, but Darvish himself is "still undecided on whether this offseason is the right time to make the leap to MLB."

If Darvish is undecided ... then that means he's not committed to the exposure ... and he's not ready. With that in mind ... I'd love to see NYY blow a whole lot of money on him and install him high in their rotation ... then with high expectations watch him get eaten alive in the ALE like others before him.

if that is the way it went then that would great but i'd hate to see him end up with the Yankees because the Rangers didn't make a max effort and he turns out to be the #1, 2 or 3 he projects to be and the yankees run away with it for the next 3 or 4 years

 

[kennyt12]

Another thing to take into consideration is how much revenue he'd help bring back to Texas. If he cost us 80-100 mil for 6 years how much of that do you think would be off set by people in Japan buying Rangers gear and airing the games in Japan? Would 10 mil be a reasonable figure?

 

[scotsman1948]

Another thing to take into consideration is how much revenue he'd help bring back to Texas. If he cost us 80-100 mil for 6 years how much of that do you think would be off set by people in Japan buying Rangers gear and airing the games in Japan? Would 10 mil be a reasonable figure?

probable more than that. he's really big over there

 

[dmc0015]

Joey posted this item in his daily post at BBTIA today:

"According to a source of NPB Tracker's Patrick Newman, Nippon Ham wants to post ace pitcher -- and oft-rumored Rangers target -- Yu Darvish in the stateside market this off-season, but Darvish himself is "still undecided on whether this offseason is the right time to make the leap to MLB."

If Darvish is undecided ... then that means he's not committed to the exposure ... and he's not ready. With that in mind ... I'd love to see NYY blow a whole lot of money on him and install him high in their rotation ... then with high expectations watch him get eaten alive in the ALE like others before him.

I'm not sure I would jump to that conclusion. This isn't a college kid trying to decide whether or not to skip a senior year to play baseball in Texas. This is a 26 year old who is contemplating moving across the world to a country he hasn't lived in before.

Some think that the Yoshi and Uehara additions were partly made to give Darvish some added comfort that he wouldn't be the only Asian born player on the team.