Alan Trammell and Jack Morris elected into HOF

[GNG]

What does you flip flopping between being a Rangers and Astros fan have to do with the Braves?

Just pointing out what a big homer you are. It has nothing to do with either the Rangers or Astros.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Just pointing out what a big homer you are. It has nothing to do with either the Rangers or Astros.

Yeah, I'm homer. Braves win the next 3 World Series.

At least I know which team I'm a homer for.

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

Props to the new group of HOFers.
All solid picks.

 

[navamind]

Short, but great peak. 2x MVP, should have been a 3x MVP.

Murphy: 46.5 career WAR, 42.4 from 1980-87, four 6+ WAR seasons
Nomar: 44.2 career WAR (in almost 3000 fewer plate appearances than Dale), 41 WAR from 1997-2003 (including the 2001 season where Nomar played only 21 games), six 6+ WAR seasons

Nomar arguably has a better peak but you don't see me arguing for him in the HOF. I think Murphy and Mattingly fall in the same category. They all had strong peaks, but did little outside of those seasons and those seasons make up for almost all of their career value. I just don't think the peaks are strong enough to make up for that.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Murphy: 46.5 career WAR, 42.4 from 1980-87, four 6+ WAR seasons
Nomar: 44.2 career WAR (in almost 3000 fewer plate appearances than Dale), 41 WAR from 1997-2003 (including the 2001 season where Nomar played only 21 games), six 6+ WAR seasons

Nomar arguably has a better peak but you don't see me arguing for him in the HOF. I think Murphy and Mattingly fall in the same category. They all had strong peaks, but did little outside of those seasons and those seasons make up for almost all of their career value. I just don't think the peaks are strong enough to make up for that.

That's fair.

I'm also a little biased since he's one of the nicest guys I've ever met, but being nice isn't a HOF metric. I'll still pull for him to get in though.

 

[broncosmitty]

Great to see Alan Trammell in the Hall of Fame, although something appears to be missing.

Lou should've got in first imo.

I assume he gets in by 2021 though.

 

[broncosmitty]

I've already stated before how I've felt about Morris, but I'm kind of glad people will finally STFU about him.

























So when do the Dennis Martinez and Tim Wakefield HOF campaigns begin?

HOFer Jack Morris, has a nice ring to it eh?

 

[navamind]

That's fair.

I'm also a little biased since he's one of the nicest guys I've ever met, but being nice isn't a HOF metric. I'll still pull for him to get in though.

I also don't think Jim Rice was any more deserving than Murphy was.

 

[navamind]

So when do Jack Morris's Tweets from 1985 come out? Ty Cobb?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I was always a strong no for Jack Morris making the HOF... but I think I have to change my mind... look at the potential HOF pitchers who started their careers in the 70s... it was a TERRIBLE decade for SPs to start their careers...

Jack Morris is surprisingly the 2nd best of them, right after Bert Blyleven(but you can argue Morris was the bigger name)... at least when you talk about the whole career...

 

[navamind]

I was always a strong no for Jack Morris making the HOF... but I think I have to change my mind... look at the potential HOF pitchers who started their careers in the 70s... it was a TERRIBLE decade for SPs to start their careers...

Jack Morris is surprisingly the best of them... at least when you talk about the whole career...

that's not a ringing endorsement

 

[MilkSpiller22]

that's not a ringing endorsement

no it certainly is not... But you got to be compared to your peers as much as you are judged by your accomplishments...

a weak decade might be just that, or there could be an underlying reason for the decade to be so weak...

 

[Voltaire26]

that's not a ringing endorsement

It what he deserves ... now if we are talking "Sweet" Lou Whitaker ... there is a deserving HOF!!!!

 

[StanMarsh51]

no it certainly is not... But you got to be compared to your peers as much as you are judged by your accomplishments...

a weak decade might be just that, or there could be an underlying reason for the decade to be so weak...

There were some strong pitchers in the '80s, but the thing is many of them didn't pitch the full decade (ie - Gooden, Clemens, Hershiser, Saberhagen had their first full season in '84). Seems like Morris was one of the few to pitch the entire decade, which helps him in a lot of stats when comparing '80s pitchers.

 

[GNG]

Yeah, I'm homer. Braves win the next 3 World Series.

At least I know which team I'm a homer for.

I'm no homer.

 

[The Derski]

Maybe GNG lives exactly between Houston and Arlington? You guys ever think of that?

 

[StanMarsh51]

Maybe GNG lives exactly between Houston and Arlington? You guys ever think of that?

Maybe depending on the shift of the tectonic plate he lives on, last year he was closer to the Rangers' ballpark but this year he's closer to the Astros' ballpark?

 

[Indrid Cold]

I was always a strong no for Jack Morris making the HOF... but I think I have to change my mind... look at the potential HOF pitchers who started their careers in the 70s... it was a TERRIBLE decade for SPs to start their careers...

Jack Morris is surprisingly the 2nd best of them, right after Bert Blyleven(but you can argue Morris was the bigger name)... at least when you talk about the whole career...

Interesting, and both those guys were/are jackwagons!!!

 

[Indrid Cold]

How about couple more tigers get in????
Rusty staub...
Champ summers..
Senior smoke...

...

Bill Freehan
Johnny Bassler
Cecil Fielder
Bobby Higginson
Torey Lovullo
?

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Maybe GNG lives exactly between Houston and Arlington? You guys ever think of that?

All the time

No wait, never