Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018)

[Cyder]

Fair enough.

I'm not a person that expects Star Wars films, or superhero films, to be great movies. As long as they are enjoyable that works for me.

Han Solo was enjoyable. Last Jedi was enjoyable, although they took suspension of disbelief to some extraordinary levels. That's all I ask for.

I'm a Star Wars nut. Love the flicks. I can take or leave most of the superhero movies.

 

[RobBase]

I can post thousands of photos of guys who are SW fans too. Why would you give a fuck? Shouldn't we be HAPPY that women are getting into sci-fi and fantasy, genres that historically were a sausage-fest?

I might meet a WOMAN at the comic-con?

Oh noes!

Those aren't fans. That's the movies producer and writers.

 

[DarthVedder]

To each their own but Return of the Jedi was not a very good movie IMO. It gets by because of the first two but to me it is only marginally better than Phantom Menace and much worse than any of the recent ones.

It's kind of like The Last Jedi. Half of the movie is pretty good, while the other half is really bad.

I haven't seen Solo (probably will see it this week, but my expectations are fairly low so I will probably enjoy it),

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[flyerhawk]

It's kind of like The Last Jedi. Half of the movie is pretty good, while the other half is really bad.

I haven't seen Solo (probably will see it this week),

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IMO, ROTJ kinda goes to shit once they leave Tatooine. Granted the Tatooine scene was pretty great.

IMO, TJL was the first Star Wars movie to really deal with more complex story lines that weren't completely linear.

 

[Duffman]

My list that I’m sure will anger people because of where some movies stand.

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Revenge of the Sith
3. A New Hope
4. The Force Awakens
5. Solo
6. The Phantom Menace
7. The Last Jedi
8. Return of the Jedi
9. Attack of the Clones
10. Rogue One.

 

[Superbelt]

My list that I’m sure will anger people because of where some movies stand.

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Revenge of the Sith
3. A New Hope
4. The Force Awakens
5. Solo
6. The Phantom Menace
7. The Last Jedi
8. Return of the Jedi
9. Attack of the Clones
10. Rogue One.

Revenge of the Sith was certainly the best of the prequels.

I just don't have it nearly that high.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

Not a Westworld fan?

Correct.

 

[chf]

Those aren't fans. That's the movies producer and writers.

Oh, well I get your point. Fucking women. Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to put women in charge?

 

[chf]

Correct.

Blade Runner?

You're going to be short on sci-fi material if you cut out that general theme.

 

[RobBase]

Oh, well I get your point. Fucking women. Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to put women in charge?

It's not that. It's just that those particular women are very alt left, and very open about implementing their political views into these films for some reason. I've enjoyed past films by this same female producer (Goonies).

I sat through TLJ wondering WTF I was watching before I even knew about them. But once I found out it explained a lot.

Just doesn't interest me. So I won't see Solo.

 

[chf]

It's not that. It's just that those particular women are very alt left, and very open about implementing their political views into these films for some reason. I've enjoyed past films by this same female producer (Goonies).

I sat through TLJ wondering WTF I was watching before I even knew about them. But once I found out it explained a lot.

Just doesn't interest me. So I won't see Solo.

Movies, art, comedy, social commentary has always been part of the equation. Always will be.

You're being a snowflake. Which is fine, just own it.

 

[chf]

Can one watch a movie made by someone who doesn't agree with one's politics?

I sure as hell can. Clint Eastwood can make a hell of a movie.

I don't agree with much of Eastwood's political beliefs.

Has zip to do with his ability to make a movie.

I can judge his movies on their own merits?

YRMV.

 

[RobBase]

Movies, art, comedy, social commentary has always been part of the equation. Always will be.

You're being a snowflake. Which is fine, just own it.

Sticks and stones. TLJ was a bad movie. I'm not Star Wars guy rushing out to see another one by the same writers.

 

[RegentDenali]

Bull fucking shit on the “frequency”excuse of why Soylo bombed.

If anyone not wearing hollywooed liberal echo chamber blinders was following the actual reviews from the actual fans during Last Jedis release and all these months leading up to Soylo, you knew this was a bomb waiting to happen.

Black Panther came out months ago. Theaters have like one showing a day of it or it’s out of theaters. Inifinity Wars was out weeks ago. Both films have 0 relationship to the Star Wars universe.

This has everything to do with Kathleen Kennedy and her minions making the disasterous decision of inserting their politics and social agendas into Star Wars. They insulted the majority of their customers by pandering to a minority that doesn’t even care about Star Wars. Has to be one of the worst business decisions in the history of the entertainment industry.

 

[RobBase]

Can one watch a movie made by someone who doesn't agree with one's politics?

I sure as hell can. Clint Eastwood can make a hell of a movie.

I don't agree with much of Eastwood's political beliefs.

Has zip to do with his ability to make a movie.

I can judge his movies on their own merits?

YRMV.

Does Clint Eastwood dye his hair blue in any of his films?

 

[DarthVedder]

IMO, ROTJ kinda goes to shit once they leave Tatooine. Granted the Tatooine scene was pretty great.

IMO, TJL was the first Star Wars movie to really deal with more complex story lines that weren't completely linear.

I agree … That's the great half of TLJ. I really liked Luke's arc, and seeing him as a more complex character instead of "just" a hero. I also liked a lot the interactions between Rey and Kylo Ren, and the conflict burning inside of them.

The atrocious half included a ridiculous space battle with low speed bombers and drop-down bombs, an absurd low speed chase through space and a pointless trip to a casino planet, just to give three main characters (including the worst villain in the whole saga), something to do.

 

[RobBase]

This has everything to do with Kathleen Kennedy and her minions making the disasterous decision of inserting their politics and social agendas into Star Wars.

There is obviously an audience for feminist political sci-fi films. It's just not a big one.

 

[Cyder]

I'm with you on the top two but then I'd go:

(3) Revenge of the Sith.
(4) Return of the Jedi
(5) Rogue One
(6) Force Awakens
(7) The Force Awakens
(8) Han Solo
(9) Clones
(10) Phantom Menace

Meant to put The Last Jedi 7th

 

[jjc2009]

Bull fucking shit on the “frequency”excuse of why Soylo bombed.

If anyone not wearing hollywooed liberal echo chamber blinders was following the actual reviews from the actual fans during Last Jedis release and all these months leading up to Soylo, you knew this was a bomb waiting to happen.

Black Panther came out months ago. Theaters have like one showing a day of it or it’s out of theaters. Inifinity Wars was out weeks ago. Both films have 0 relationship to the Star Wars universe.

This has everything to do with Kathleen Kennedy and her minions making the disasterous decision of inserting their politics and social agendas into Star Wars. They insulted the majority of their customers by pandering to a minority that doesn’t even care about Star Wars. Has to be one of the worst business decisions in the history of the entertainment industry.

Bingo. Marvel has no problem turning out 3 movies a year (while competing with WB/DC and Fox franchises).

On Solo I will say this. I went in with low expectations and it was a serviceable film. Probably 40th percentile of SW films. Could have done without the L3 droid and her bullshit. And Pando Calrissian is such a stupid and pointless take on the character. That said Donald Glover absolutely nails Billy Dee Williams’ voice and cadence for the character. Otherwise was fine.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

POST MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS

There was all of one actual female main character who got significant time. There were other secondary characters, but why can't this be normal? Women exist.

Thandie Newton and Nest were the only other real female characters, and Newton really only had a bit part where she blew herself up.

Khalessi served a purpose of showing the origins of Han's learned personality of a selfish and distrusting scoundrel.

I don't understand how you can't see it.

I liked Clarke's role, but the rest of the women in the movie had spotlight moments--the center of the scene where something important happens not to mention that each one checked a different box on the diversity checklist:
--Young white girl lead
--Lady Proxima is the ugly alien, Fagin-like crime boss
--old street-wise black lady sacrifices herself to save the group
--mouthy female droid makes dirty jokes and crusades for "rights"
--the meddlesome pirate is a racially mixed girl who got the job from her mother and we're led to believe that they are the beginning of the rebellion

Some of this would've been fine, but all of it together in this movie made it too thick and overdone. By the end, I half-expected the head of Crimson Dawn to be a sexy female alien.

I really don't understand why anything but women as window dressing somehow automatically makes the movie forcing women into the spotlight, or 'Identity Politics.'

You know perfectly well that It's not so all or nothing. When it hits the right spot, you don't even notice it, but when it's forced, it sticks out in an awkward way and that's what happened here. It doesn't make it a bad movie at all--it was good imo--but pretending it's not there doesn't help.