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28-30 starts is my high water mark, 30 being "we need him to make it in"Innings limits for the ace!
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Dude is a puss. No way around it.
fuck Cy youngs
59-22 before The AS break.
32-36 with a half run higher ERA in the second half for his career.
Some guys just don't have the heart. Sale is one of those guys.
His will to win made him throw a hissy fit and destroy unis?Sale is intensely competitive. To the point where it goes a bit overboard... The White Sox were once scheduled to wear throwbacks. He had a string of wins in the greys and didn't want to change out of that. He walked into the clubhouse that day, saw the throwbacks laid out... immediately grabbed a scissors and began cutting them up so they couldn't wear them.
The guy's will to win has never been in question. He's f'n insane.
Ventura would run Sale into the ground in Chicago. Last year, Sale would go back out to the mound for the 7th or 8th already with 100+ pitches under his belt.
It may not be the entire problem. However, the pitch count DESPERATELY needs to be monitored. Managers have repeated this same approach to Sale for his entire career, and he always gets run into the ground.
It may not be the entire problem. However, the pitch count DESPERATELY needs to be monitored. Managers have repeated this same approach to Sale for his entire career, and he always gets run into the ground.
His will to win made him throw a hissy fit and destroy unis?
That's funny.
He was a closer because he can't handle a workload.
Meh. He's averaged 107 pitches per start in each of the last three seasons. I don't think that's an outrageous ask of an ace.
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That's the most in baseball over that time period.
He's led the league in pitches per game 2 of those 3 years. Finishing 2nd to Verlander in 2016 by 0.7.
MLB Baseball Player Stats & Stats Leaders - Pitches per Game
All of his numbers are significantly worse in the second half. He strikes out more guys, an outs an out.His will to win made him throw a hissy fit and destroy unis?
Yes. The guy is obsessed with winning, on a borderline psychotic level. Personally, I am fine with that.
He was a closer because he can't handle a workload.
Let's say that is correct...
How does that = He has no heart
You can visibly see how hard the guy is working out there. He's as firey and fiercely competitive as any player in the game.
Stop trotting him back out to the mound with 106 pitches under his belt April through July... and you'll likely see him fair better later on in the season. It's common sense. The approach to Chris Sale throughout his career has been ancient.
You are also presenting your argument in a rather dishonest fashion by citing only his W/L record.
Career 2nd Half: 3.28 ERA, 10.91 K/9 1.11 HR/9 2.11 BB/9 and 1.14 WHIP
Career 1st Half: 2.74 ERA, 10.25 K/9, 0.78 HR/9 1.92 BB/9 and 0.97 WHIP
He's not dropping off of a cliff. In the least... He's still posting ace caliber numbers. He doesn't perform poorly... or even average. He's still very, very good in the 2nd half of the season.
All of his numbers are significantly worse in the second half. He strikes out more guys, an outs an out.
Pretty obvious he doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to succeed under pressure, down the stretch. If he really was obsessed with winning, he wouldn't act out and earn suspensions from the team, causing lesser pitching to be used in his place.
Although it was in the second half when that happened(I was in Boston at the time, watching a real pitcher with heart shut down Sales current employer) so they prolly lose anyway.