Redskins are considering tagging Kirk for a trade

[Sharkinva]

How does us tagging KC make it more expensive for said team to sign Cousins??

Because just as us trading for Smith made him more expensive in total outlay (He cost us a contract, a pick and a player)

The team that trades for Cousins might get him for the contract they want. But as I have said, the teams that want him might just value draft picks a bit more than we do in Ashburnistan

 

[gkekoa]

How does us tagging KC make it more expensive for said team to sign Cousins??

Ultimately it is up to Kirk and his agent to determine what is fair and to determine what they expect from a team that is built to win now versus a team that is not. No?

Because it is an extension. The second KC signs the tag he is under contract for 35 million.

Let’s say a team wants to sign him for a total of five years. Let’s say KC wants to average 25 million a season, no matter how we break it down. It is all about new money. Do you expect him to take a pay cut for the remaining years to offset the 35million he makes in year 1?

 

[Sleepy T]

Because just as us trading for Smith made him more expensive in total outlay (He cost us a contract, a pick and a player)

The team that trades for Cousins might get him for the contract they want. But as I have said, the teams that want him might just value draft picks a bit more than we do in Ashburnistan

I agree, all teams value draft picks, some maybe more than others.

But Kirk has all but said he would like to win/play for a winner. If a team that is a QB away and built more to win now (let’s say Denver, Jax, even Buffalo and a longshot in Minnesota), then a 1st round pick or a combo of 2nd-4th shouldn’t be an issue. That’s my whole point.

Do the Broncos want your give up there 1st for Kirk or draft one at #5 and pray he is the guy??
Does Jax want to roll with Bortles and hope he turns into they THINK they could be?
Does Buffalo build in their work layoff team when it looks like the division MIGHT FINALLY be wide open again soon for the first time in nearly 2 decades.

That’s my whole point. If donectesm covets KC as much as some think of him, then giving up a little capital shouldn’t be an issue.

I’m sure it won’t work out, and it may very well backfire. But I don’t have a problem with the FO trying to get a little extra for him if they can.

 

[Sleepy T]

Because it is an extension. The second KC signs the tag he is under contract for 35 million.

Let’s say a team wants to sign him for a total of five years. Let’s say KC wants to average 25 million a season, no matter how we break it down. It is all about new money. Do you expect him to take a pay cut for the remaining years to offset the 35million he makes in year 1?

I expect Kirk to close his eyes and pretend that he is an UFA, like he will be (sort of), like IMO he was hoping to be. He should expect and strive for the same contract no matter the circumstance, no matter if he is on a tag or not. He wants to bark about being wanted and having stability and this and that..blah blah blah. Then he shouldn’t get hung up on eeking every damn dollar he can out of a contract. Be happy about being the highest paid player in the NFL.

 

[gkekoa]

I expect Kirk to close his eyes and pretend that he is an UFA, like he will be (sort of), like IMO he was hoping to be. He should expect and strive for the same contract no matter the circumstance, no matter if he is on a tag or not. He wants to bark about being wanted and having stability and this and that..blah blah blah. Then he shouldn’t get hung up on eeking every damn dollar he can out of a contract. Be happy about being the highest paid player in the NFL.

And if he doesn’t get what he can, he hurts the Player’s Association.

He also shouldn’t do us any favors. Honestly, he should tell whoever is trying to sign him not to trade for him unless it is like a sixth rounder. I will sign with you no matter what and Washington can’t afford to keep me and Smith.

 

[Sleepy T]

And if he doesn’t get what he can, he hurts the Player’s Association.

He also shouldn’t do us any favors. Honestly, he should tell whoever is trying to sign him not to trade for him unless it is like a sixth rounder. I will sign with you no matter what and Washington can’t afford to keep me and Smith.

I don’t think it hurts the NFLPA if he still signs the richest contract in history. The owners are sick of the ridiculous contracts. They want to reel it in a little bit.

And sure, maybe Kirk shouldn’t do us any favors. But he may want to be careful too. If a team that he really likes comes knocking on the door, he probably shouldn’t make to many demands if he wants to go there. If he takes the high road and let’s it all play... all of this drama could be over and he can get on with his life.

 

[gkekoa]

I don’t think it hurts the NFLPA if he still signs the richest contract in history. The owners are sick of the ridiculous contracts. They want to reel it in a little bit.

And sure, maybe Kirk shouldn’t do us any favors. But he may want to be careful too. If a team that he really likes comes knocking on the door, he probably shouldn’t make to many demands if he wants to go there. If he takes the high road and let’s it all play... all of this drama could be over and he can get on with his life.

Actually, there was an article about how it hurts the Player’s Association. It isn’t about the biggest contract. It is about new money written into the contract.

It isn’t being cute. We literally can’t afford to have both QBs on our roster.

 

[Sharkinva]

And sure, maybe Kirk shouldn’t do us any favors. But he may want to be careful too. If a team that he really likes comes knocking on the door, he probably shouldn’t make to many demands if he wants to go there. If he takes the high road and let’s it all play... all of this drama could be over and he can get on with his life.

Why???

For all that people are tryin to spin this into some way the Skins get something for a QB they have thrown away.

But lets look at this from a realistic stand point.

Most of the teams interested in Kirk KNOW they most likely wont get a chance to talk to him until free agency starts. So any one planning to pitch him, was making plans to try and get him in March. Kirk knows this as well. Kirk also knows that even if the Redskins tag him, they can not realistically keep the tag on him into the start of free agency. So if they tag him, and he does not sign it, the Redskins would need to remove the tag on the 14th of March or have no cap space to sign their own free agents or the other free agents they actually do want.

So basically it would be hedging the bet that some other team is willing to give up draft capitol just to avoid having to bid against other teams.

So again I will say.. the Redskins might be desperate enough to do something like that.... IM not so sure the teams that would be in the Cousins talks would be, and I don't think Kirk or his agent will be bullied into doing the Redskins a solid on this one.

If Washington had the cap space to force the issue maybe.

 

[Sleepy T]

Actually, there was an article about how it hurts the Player’s Association. It isn’t about the biggest contract. It is about new money written into the contract.

Well. I don’t know much about that stuff. All I know is that this would be a very special circumstance.

Either way, a gamble on both sides. As some have said, how long would KC wait? A lot of teams would move on to another QB in FA and/or the draft. It would be interesting to see. Would provide fr a lot of drama and entertainment.

 

[gkekoa]

Why???

For all that people are tryin to spin this into some way the Skins get something for a QB they have thrown away.

But lets look at this from a realistic stand point.

Most of the teams interested in Kirk KNOW they most likely wont get a chance to talk to him until free agency starts. So any one planning to pitch him, was making plans to try and get him in March. Kirk knows this as well. Kirk also knows that even if the Redskins tag him, they can not realistically keep the tag on him into the start of free agency. So if they tag him, and he does not sign it, the Redskins would need to remove the tag on the 14th of March or have no cap space to sign their own free agents or the other free agents they actually do want.

So basically it would be hedging the bet that some other team is willing to give up draft capitol just to avoid having to bid against other teams.

So again I will say.. the Redskins might be desperate enough to do something like that.... IM not so sure the teams that would be in the Cousins talks would be, and I don't think Kirk or his agent will be bullied into doing the Redskins a solid on this one.

If Washington had the cap space to force the issue maybe.

 

[gkekoa]

Well. I don’t know much about that stuff. All I know is that this would be a very special circumstance.

Either way, a gamble on both sides. As some have said, how long would KC wait? A lot of teams would move on to another QB in FA and/or the draft. It would be interesting to see. Would provide fr a lot of drama and entertainment.

There is zero gamble for KC. If the Skins don’t trade him for whatever they get, he makes 35million and is a FA next season where he makes even more money.

 

[Sharkinva]

There is zero gamble for KC. If the Skins don’t trade him for whatever they get, he makes 35million and is a FA next season where he makes even more money.

There is zero gamble for Cousins.

The Redskins can not afford to have him on the tag past March 13th. So yea they could tag him and make him miss out on the legal tampering period. But if Kirk is tagged and unsigned by the 14th... The Redskins simply cant afford to play chicken with him.

 

[j_y19]

Actually put yourself in his shoes.

He knows that if the Skins tag him, until and unless he signs the tag, they cant do anything else in free agency. Unless they would be willing to risk pissing Smith off by asking him to hold off on signing his new deal.

That would require someone that is willing to cut his own nose off to spite his face. Cousins doesn't impress me as someone that stupid.

 

[j_y19]

What if he signs the tag, and no team trades for him?

How realistic is that? If we get more than a 3rd, we are ahead of the game. How risky is it to think we could get a 2nd from Denver, or Buffalo, or Jax, or Jets, or Ariz for the rights to exclusively negotiate a LTD with Cousins? Its virtually a slam dunk. In fact, we might get more.

 

[j_y19]

There is zero gamble for Cousins.

The Redskins can not afford to have him on the tag past March 13th. So yea they could tag him and make him miss out on the legal tampering period. But if Kirk is tagged and unsigned by the 14th... The Redskins simply cant afford to play chicken with him.

And he can't afford to miss FA. Teams will not wait. Cmon shark, he is not a vindictive type. He signs the tag so this can all move on and the can be rid of this terrible organization.

 

[Sharkinva]

That would require someone that is willing to cut his own nose off to spite his face. Cousins doesn't impress me as someone that stupid.

Not really.

The thing the Redskins don't have is time and cap space to make this work.

If they tag him on 2/20 he needs to be signed and dealt no later than 3/12.

Free Agency starts on 3/14.

Teams that would be interested in Cousins were planning to talk to him 3/12-3/14 during the legal tampering period.

So basically nothing changes for Cousins if he doesn't sign the tag because the Skins would need to clear his cap space by 3/13 in order to have cap room to sign players they actually do want.

So basically they tag him, he doesn't sign it, they cant trade him and need to remove the tag by 3/12 any way or risk missing out on the free agents they want to sign.

If the Redskins had the cap space to carry him and still make other moves, they could play hard ball. But for them to deal him, he needs to play ball. Not signing does not hurt Cousins time line one bit.

 

[Manster7588]

How realistic is that? If we get more than a 3rd, we are ahead of the game. How risky is it to think we could get a 2nd from Denver, or Buffalo, or Jax, or Jets, or Ariz for the rights to exclusively negotiate a LTD with Cousins? Its virtually a slam dunk. In fact, we might get more.

If he signs the tag, then says he's not negotiating for any contract, its very reasonable.
Even if the Redskins offer to cover most of the tag any team who trades gor him is in this boat next offseason.

 

[Sharkinva]

And he can't afford to miss FA. Teams will not wait. Cmon shark, he is not a vindictive type. He signs the tag so this can all move on and the can be rid of this terrible organization.

Look I get it people are hoping Bruce can some how manage to get something for a player he doesn't want. But as I pointed out, there is no way they can Force Kirk to sign the tag to facilitate a trade, and trying to play chicken and say well we will just hold you until you sign so we can trade you would be cutting off the Redskins nose in an attempt to spite Cousins further.

 

[Sharkinva]

If he signs the tag, then says he's not negotiating for any contract, its very reasonable.
Even if the Redskins offer to cover most of the tag any team who trades gor him is in this boat next offseason.

Actually they wouldn't be. They would be worse off. Because they would have to try and tag him at $40M at that point.

 

[Manster7588]

Actually they wouldn't be. They would be worse off. Because they would have to try and tag him at $40M at that point.

I assumed the higher FT $$$ was implied.

I don't know Kirk, but I can see him telling his agent "No favors to the Redskins".